Would God allow a false prophet to claim a new Law and commandments?

[shmogie]

I am not asking if God allows a false prophet just to claim to be a prophet of God! I believe He does allow such false prophets.

But, would God allow a false prophet to come up with certain commands and laws by himself, and claim he is revealing commandments, decrees, ordinances and laws from God and demand everyone to obey and follow his book, he claims to be from God?


Quran says, it cannot happen:


"And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart" Quran 69:44-46

If you believe in Jesus, or Yahiwa, but you don't believe Muhammad, what was Jesus or God doing, when Muhammad was claiming such things. Why your God didnt cut Muhammad's heart artery so, he doesnt misguide them?


What does your scriptures say? If you believe in a God, but no scriptures, you can still bring your reasoning, why would the Powerful and All knowing you believe, allow, someone speak on His behalf, and make them obey a commandments, thereby allowing His people to get misguided?

Humanity has always had free will.

The earth is the front line in the battle between good and evil.

If God were to simply eliminate false prophets and false religions, He would be denying free will, something He will never do.

Humans can always find the truth if they are committed to finding it.

Christ performed miracles to prove that He was who He said He was, the Son of God.

600 years later Mohammed did no miracles, and built a religion based upon ideas he took from the Christians and Jews.

We are all free to choose, the truth is there to find. Choose the counterfeit, the lie and you die.

 

[Ayjaydee]

Humanity has always had free will.

The earth is the front line in the battle between good and evil.

If God were to simply eliminate false prophets and false religions, He would be denying free will, something He will never do.

Humans can always find the truth if they are committed to finding it.

Christ performed miracles to prove that He was who He said He was, the Son of God.

600 years later Mohammed did no miracles, and built a religion based upon ideas he took from the Christians and Jews.

We are all free to choose, the truth is there to find. Choose the counterfeit, the lie and you die.

I plan on dying in any case

 

[shmogie]

I plan on dying in any case

THe first death is no big deal. The second is eternal, I think it should be avoided.

 

[Ayjaydee]

THe first death is no big deal. The second is eternal, I think it should be avoided.

THe first death is no big deal. The second is eternal, I think it should be avoided.

First? I have thousands a day

 

[shmogie]

First? I have thousands a day

Do you sometimes feel like a bouncing ball?

 

[columbus]

If God were to simply eliminate false prophets and false religions, He would be denying free will, something He will never do.

I disagree.
It's knowledge that gives people true freedom of will.
Suppose somebody offered you a choice of three identical boxes. They tell you only that one box contains $10K, one gift certificate for dinner, and one a bomb that will explode in your face. Are you free to choose the cash, or at least avoid the bomb? No. And having a bunch of people telling you which box is which, without agreeing on much of anything, or demonstrating that they know any more than you do, doesn't much help. Especially when the advice comes along with a barrage of stuff you're certain is nonsense.

No, only having something resembling empirical evidence can truly make you free to choose. You're not free until you have that.
Tom

 

[Dawnofhope]

I am not asking if God allows a false prophet just to claim to be a prophet of God! I believe He does allow such false prophets.

But, would God allow a false prophet to come up with certain commands and laws by himself, and claim he is revealing commandments, decrees, ordinances and laws from God and demand everyone to obey and follow his book, he claims to be from God?


Quran says, it cannot happen:


"And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart" Quran 69:44-46

If you believe in Jesus, or Yahiwa, but you don't believe Muhammad, what was Jesus or God doing, when Muhammad was claiming such things. Why your God didnt cut Muhammad's heart artery so, he doesnt misguide them?


What does your scriptures say? If you believe in a God, but no scriptures, you can still bring your reasoning, why would the Powerful and All knowing you believe, allow, someone speak on His behalf, and make them obey a commandments, thereby allowing His people to get misguided?

It is an interesting line of reasoning. There are a number of new religious movements that have started up since the nineteenth century in addition to the Baha’i Faith. Within Christianity we have the JWs, Church of JCLDS, and the seventh day Adventist’s. Islam has the Ahmadiyyas. How do these religious groups fit your model?

 

[firedragon]

But, would God allow a false prophet to come up with certain commands and laws by himself, and claim he is revealing commandments, decrees, ordinances and laws from God and demand everyone to obey and follow his book, he claims to be from God?

Thats false prophets do.

Quran says, it cannot happen:


"And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart" Quran 69:44-46

Thats hat happens when someone carefully cherry picks from a book written by one person.

A few verses prior to the verse you quoted it goes like this.

69:40 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.

"This" means "This", the Quran.

This is speaking about the prophet who uttered the Quran. Muhammed. The verses are saying that he did not invent anything in Gods name.

Also, correct translation of 69;44
69:44 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I don't see how this is striking people with different opinions.


What if a false prophet brings a set of laws and ordinances that causes people to become corrupted, wrongful, murderers. A false prophet who brings war, and violence. A prophet who causes people end up in hell!


If you believe in a God , but a false prophet misguided them to the wronge way on behalf of God, why wouldn't God do anything about it?

If you believe in a God who cares people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, but a false prophet misguided them to the wronge way on behalf of God, why wouldn't God do anything about it?

Great question! So IF there's a God who cares that people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, why would he allow people to preach more than one religion? Why would he allow people to preach different versions of the same religion? Why would god allow people to fight bloody wars over who follows the right religion?

Maybe it's time to consider that this god being doesn't actually exist.

 

[QuestioningMind]

You do not Understand God at all. There are prophets. There are messengers. There are laws coming from God. There is a need.

You just don't like prophets because you think you can Understand God without them, but you can't.

All the world's great religions did not originate from man. That is illogical and preposterous. That would mean that most of the world population is wrong about God, since, 84 percent of the world population has a faith.

All the world's great religions did not originate from man. That is illogical and preposterous. That would mean that most of the world population is wrong about God, since, 84 percent of the world population has a faith.

What's truly illogical and preposterous is to suggest that 84% of the world's population can't be wrong about something. Far more than 84% of the world's population have been wrong about various things throughout history.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you believe in a God who cares people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, but a false prophet misguided them to the wronge way on behalf of God, why wouldn't God do anything about it?

Great question! So IF there's a God who cares that people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, why would he allow people to preach more than one religion? Why would he allow people to preach different versions of the same religion? Why would god allow people to fight bloody wars over who follows the right religion?

Maybe it's time to consider that this god being doesn't actually exist.

There is a very simple answer to your question. In order to stop people from preaching more than one religion, God would have to interfere with the free will of 84% of people in the world, since that us how many people have a religion. God may as well make humans into His puppets on a string as do that.

According to my beliefs, God is biding His time because God knows that the religions will eventually unite and do that voluntarily, since that is what God has ordained...
“That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith.” The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 91

One might wonder why God allowed the religions to be separate throughout all of history, causing bloodshed and dissension. All I can say is that I do not believe it was not God's Purpose that the religions unite back then, since humanity was not ready for that; but it is God's Purpose that they unite eventually, after humanity becomes more spiritually evolved.

 

[Trailblazer]

All the world's great religions did not originate from man. That is illogical and preposterous. That would mean that most of the world population is wrong about God, since, 84 percent of the world population has a faith.

What's truly illogical and preposterous is to suggest that 84% of the world's population can't be wrong about something. Far more than 84% of the world's population have been wrong about various things throughout history.

What's truly illogical and preposterous is to suggest that 84% of the world's population are wrong about something as important as God and religion.

Then of course, atheists are left having to explain how the all the great world religions got established without a God behind them. There is nothing that can be compared to the power of religion to transform humanity, and of course all civilizations have been based upon the great world religions.
RELIGION AND CIVILIZATION

Certainly, some of those religious people might have false beliefs, but that does not mean all their beliefs are false, and that does not mean that there is no religion that has true beliefs.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Humanity has always had free will.

The earth is the front line in the battle between good and evil.

If God were to simply eliminate false prophets and false religions, He would be denying free will, something He will never do.

Humans can always find the truth if they are committed to finding it.

Christ performed miracles to prove that He was who He said He was, the Son of God.

600 years later Mohammed did no miracles, and built a religion based upon ideas he took from the Christians and Jews.

We are all free to choose, the truth is there to find. Choose the counterfeit, the lie and you die.

I didnt say all false prophets. A false prophets who changes the words of God's holy Books, and claiming that is what God is asking to be done.
When God has given a Book to be a guidance to all, and someone comes and says, God, now has revealed a new holy book to replace Bible!

When you say Jesus performed miracles to convince others, that is not interfering with free will? When people see a convincing miracle, they have no choice to reject faith!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It is an interesting line of reasoning. There are a number of new religious movements that have started up since the nineteenth century in addition to the Baha’i Faith. Within Christianity we have the JWs, Church of JCLDS, and the seventh day Adventist’s. Islam has the Ahmadiyyas. How do these religious groups fit your model?

Those movements are just sects. They are branches of Christianity, or Islam. Not a different revelation. Jews, do not say, they have a new holy book that is to replace the teachings of Jesus. Likewise, Ahmadies do not claim, Mirza Qulam, has a new revelation that supersedes Quranic Laws and ordinances.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Thats false prophets do.



Thats hat happens when someone carefully cherry picks from a book written by one person.

A few verses prior to the verse you quoted it goes like this.

69:40 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.

"This" means "This", the Quran.

This is speaking about the prophet who uttered the Quran. Muhammed. The verses are saying that he did not invent anything in Gods name.

Also, correct translation of 69;44
69:44 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.

What does this add to our discussion? So, you mean if Muhammad had invented anything from Himself in Quran and attributed to God, then God had cut His heart artery, but, when for example Bahaullah had written a whole 200 volumes, and attributed all of them to God, God would not cut His heart artery? Why?

 

[columbus]

What's truly illogical and preposterous is to suggest that 84% of the world's population are wrong about something as important as God and religion.

For most of human history more than 84% of the world's population thought that Creation was a big, solid, flattish plane with a blue dome over the top of it.

Humans are quite ignorant, irrational, and gullible.
Why do you suppose God keeps making us that way?
Tom

 

[Trailblazer]

For most of human history more than 84% of the world's population thought that Creation was a big, solid, flattish plane with a blue dome over the top of it.

Humans are quite ignorant, irrational, and gullible.
Why do you suppose God keeps making us that way?
Tom

That is not a good example to cite because it is related to science, which had not evolved until fairly recently.

I agree that some humans are quite ignorant, irrational, and gullible, but not 84%.
Certainly, not all those religions are completely right, but they all have various degrees of the truth, Imo.

God did not make humans ignorant, humans are ignorant due to lack of education.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

If you believe in a God who cares people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, but a false prophet misguided them to the wronge way on behalf of God, why wouldn't God do anything about it?

Great question! So IF there's a God who cares that people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, why would he allow people to preach more than one religion? Why would he allow people to preach different versions of the same religion? Why would god allow people to fight bloody wars over who follows the right religion?

Maybe it's time to consider that this god being doesn't actually exist.

He allows people follow different versions of religion, because people are given free will to have their own views, and ways.
That is a different thing than what I am asking in op though. The difference is this:
God tells us, what is the straight and good way of living. He tells us all the good and correct teachings and truth we need to know. He says all these. Then He let us be free to take His advise, and teachings or reject His guidanc. It is up to us!
But, if a false prophet comes and tells us, he is sent by God to show people the way, thus he is misguiding people to the wrong path in the name of God.
In another words, God would preserve the claim to Revelation to Himself, and would not allow a false prophet speak on behalf of God to confuse and misguide people. Otherwise how can people know if the words are indeed from God or from a false prophet?
Thus God has told us, everytime a person claim to have a new covenant and commandments from God, He is telling the truth, for if he was a false prophet, God would have cut his life and stop him. Thus, people like Moses, Jesus, zoroaster, Muhammad, Bahaullah who claimed to have a new covenant, were truth.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

That is a really good point. I do not think God would allow this to transpire. God might allow false prophets to speak on His behalf for a time, but it would not be very long before they were deemed to be false.

I do not think God would allow a religion to flourish and grow if it was false because that would be allowing people to be misled. That presents a difficult problem for Christians who believe Islam is false. Why would a just and loving God allow 22% of the world population to follow a false prophet? It just does not make sense.

This is why, Bahaullah said same thing:


Baha'u'llah wrote in the Kitab-i-Aqdas: "Whoso layeth claim to Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying imposter.....If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing!"


Now, if a man appears before 1000 years, and claims to a direct revelation, and brings a new set of laws to replace Aqdas, and nothing happens to this man, can we say he is a false prophet? I suppose not. If he was, God would have punished him.

 

[Trailblazer]

Now, if a man appears before 1000 years, and claims to a direct revelation, and brings a new set of laws to replace Aqdas, and nothing happens to this man, can we say he is a false prophet? I suppose not. If he was, God would have punished him.

If a man did that I would say that he was a false prophet and that God will punish Him because I believe that the Writings of Baha'ullah represent the inerrant Word of God.