Would the world be better off without Christianity?

[Darkdale]

I'm sorry, are you saying that you believe that women in Muslim countries are given as many rights and liberties as women in Western countries?

 

[Sunstone]

**MOD POST**

Let's not get this thread off topic by discussing women's rights in Islam in it. If you want to pursue that topic, start a new thread on it.
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[Malus 12:9]

One thing, if there were no Christianity, there would be no "fake" Christians. Believe me, I know a few in my town..

 

[Darkdale]

One thing, if there were no Christianity, there would be no "fake" Christians. Believe me, I know a few in my town..

What's a fake Christian? I've never heard of that. You either are one or you aren't one.

 

[TashaN]

I'm sorry, are you saying that you believe that women in Muslim countries are given as many rights and liberties as women in Western countries?

sorry Darkdale but we have got a red warning from the moderator and you can start a new thread about the women topic and definitely you will find me there.

Nevertheless, i just want to answer to this question because the women rights in islam was first mentioned by the starter of this thread so my answer is:

YES .. women in Islam have more rights than women in the Western countries.

please moderator don't delete this post because it's the last one about women issue.


Peace ...

 

[Malus 12:9]

What's a fake Christian? I've never heard of that. You either are one or you aren't one.

When you look at that way, yes. Perhaps I should say " A false claimed Christian, who preteneds to be one, but isn't." So the latter in your post is descriptive

 

[Darkdale]

When you look at that way, yes. Perhaps I should say " A false claimed Christian, who preteneds to be one, but isn't." So the latter in your post is descriptive

How can you tell the difference? My mother believes that anyone that doesn't interpret the Bible the way her and her pastor do aren't really real Christians. I also thought that was a little subjective. Of course, there are people that say I'm not a real heathen, because I don't study the sagas and old texts in Icelandic, German or Old English.

 

[Malus 12:9]

Believe me, even I can tell the difference

I will have to introduce you to a lady here. Whenever anyone is around, she'll pretend to
read the bible or play those Hillsong cds, and say how much she enjoys her relationship with
Jesus.

However, she judges people, she started rumours about people behind their backs, she lies
about people and things in general, heck she has even stolen. They don't sound like very
Christian things to me.I could expand more on it, but it's A.M

 

[Darkdale]

However, she judges people, she started rumours about people behind their backs, she lies
about people and things in general, heck she has even stolen. They don't sound like very
Christian things to me.I could expand more on it, but it's A.M

So, only good christians are real christians... the bad people are the fakes?

 

[Malus 12:9]

So, only good christians are real christians... the bad people are the fakes?

There is such a thing as Bad christians?:areyoucra A true Christian would not continuously/continually (your choice of word) act in this manner, right?

Some christian dude help me out here lol..

 

[michel]

There is such a thing as Bad christians?:areyoucra A true Christian would not continuously/continually (your choice of word) act in this manner, right?

Some christian dude help me out here lol..

Darkdale, I think Malus is making the point that there are genuine and fakes in every walk of life; like the guy who goes round telling all the girls he's a secret agent and runs a ferrari, but really is an office cleaner with a bicycle.

(Not that there is anything wrong with being an office cleaner who uses a bicycle! lol)

There are always pretentious people in all walks of life.

 

[Malus 12:9]

Ok, MICH is right. Maybe, probably. I am off to bed anyways, ciao.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

You might want to consider the people you offend with ignorant statements like this... just a thought.:tsk:

I meant no offense this is what certain Christian scholars and historians tell me so please do not get upset with me. It is not ignorant when this is what the experts say I am just telling you what my theology professors said and books I have read. I know only what they say and if they are wrong t then give me the reasons why they are wrong in there statements concerning these things. I am not trying to offend anyone but isn't it not true that alot of the rituals performed by the church was one of the major reasons for the Protestant movement. And why would these people say these things when the similarities between certain pagan festival and Christian holidays are historical record. This is what I am told if I am wrong believe me I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. I am not trying to start a debate or fight but if you would like to look at the evidence I have gathered I would be glad to share it with you and get some insight on your thoughts on the validity of it. We may have to start another thread though just let me know. And again I apologize if I was out of line.

 

[Bennettresearch]

Well Well Well, can't we all just get along?

I think that the idea of freedom of religion is a Christian concept. Mujahid, kicking at what happened in 325 CE is missing the point. Islam is not above reproach and what kind of religious tolerance is there in some muslim countries? Our founding fathers were Theists and Christians and they believed in religious freedom because of the oppression of the churches in Europe. Thanks to that, you have a voice here.

 

[hand that feeds]

If religions changed with time, instead of being steadfast in their archaic belief structures, then their moral path (that they are meant to lead you down) would be more applicable by today's standards. Thusly, if Christianity were to modernize, if it were to become more flexible and allow room for growth, then the world might be better off. As it stands, the religion is stuck in the past, and does not benefit the future.

 

[Bennettresearch]

Hi Michel,

Yeah. The point would be the diverse practices and the causal effect of not being able to clearly and definitively quantify Christianity at this point. Therefore, if someone views a hypocrite, does this reflect upon the religion? People tend to stash their religion off to the side sometimes and act as they will. This does not invalidate said religion no matter how many people are not representing it well.

 

[Bennettresearch]

Hi Hand,

Archaic notions? Yes. But you cannot re-adapt basic truths to a "modern" viewpoint. This would be a creation of a new religion that would sanction anarchy. Not all modern viewpoints are valid and an increasingly liberal application of morals would probably do away with morals altogether. I think that Christianity has grown out of its past and is relevant to our modern times. There are still vestiges of moral wrongs, such as chauvinism, but do not discount the fact that things like that are eventually done away with.

 

[hand that feeds]

Hi Hand,

Archaic notions? Yes. But you cannot re-adapt basic truths to a "modern" viewpoint. This would be a creation of a new religion that would sanction anarchy. Not all modern viewpoints are valid and an increasingly liberal application of morals would probably do away with morals altogether. I think that Christianity has grown out of its past and is relevant to our modern times. There are still vestiges of moral wrongs, such as chauvinism, but do not discount the fact that things like that are eventually done away with.

So, are you saying that every religion is simply a "viewpoint". A viewpoint is an opinion, correct? Therefore you are worshipping an opinion, and without that opinion, you'd have anarchy???
Also, if there are "vestiges of moral wrongs" in the Bible, and "they are eventually done away with", aren't you then agreeing that the old religion does in fact need to be changed? And if so, why not throw it out altogether? Start fresh, make one from scratch.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Well Well Well, can't we all just get along?

I think that the idea of freedom of religion is a Christian concept. Mujahid, kicking at what happened in 325 CE is missing the point. Islam is not above reproach and what kind of religious tolerance is there in some muslim countries? Our founding fathers were Theists and Christians and they believed in religious freedom because of the oppression of the churches in Europe. Thanks to that, you have a voice here.

Now I am not kicking at what happened in 325 a.d. I just figured I would start at the beginning of where many Chrisian scholars and historian believe is the beginning of the Christianity we have today. And you cannot judge tolerance of people on muslims today. You have to judge it on our example of the best Muslim. The Prophet's character and that of his followeres is the basis on how you judge true islamic tolerance to people and their beliefs. That is why the true followers in the teachings of Muhammed(pbuh) would allow the other religions to stay in there lands and often govern themselves. He would never desicrate churches and other religions houses of worship and would often pray side by side with them. And the founding fathers were not all theists and Christians. Some had other things in mind but that is another issue that will not be discussed infromation on this can be discovered when studying different occultic groups.

 

[Sunstone]

Religions are powerful enablers. Christianity has enabled many people to "love their neighbor". For those people, Christianity is a religion of love. I think the numbers of people for whom this is true is today obscured by the "Religious Right" that tends to make issues such as abortion and homosexuality more central to their definition of what it means to be Christian than they do love.