would you worship an evil god if you were 100% sure of his existence?

[Jiddanand]

There are so many people who do that.

 

[Tumah]

well it depends on how you derive the knowledge to distinguish when is right and when is wrong to do it. I mean i think we all agree that i f a man enters my house, with a gun, menacing to hurt my family, i have the edge to stop him in every possible way.
but here we're talking about people that simply started to worship an idol. and those people were not even strangers, they were their brothers and sisters. Yet they killed them one by one in the name of god because god asked them to do that. that doesn't look such a solid reason.
They could have simply said "ok, you stay here with your idol and we leave" or "this is the land of our lord please go away with your idol you ungrateful pagans"

i mean you said my fictional god was, i quote your words "infantile" because he asks you to kill in his name for his pleasure, while your real god actually asked you to kill in his name for no better reason ( he was, as the bible put it, quite pissed off. And again, it was brothers and sisters that struggles with them for years wandering trough the desert, those man were killing, . I'm sorry to keep hitting the same button, it wasn't even intended when i started the conversation to come up with this episode, but since we stumbled on it i really can't figure out the difference.
Did i have to add the word "infidels" when i said my god requested to kill people, to make it moral or just?

The difference is that one is "in his name for his pleasure" and the other is, "for the good of the offender". Unlike in your example, my G-d doesn't experience pleasure, anger, hate or any other emotion. Everything that He commands is for the good of the individual on both sides of any given episode. Someone who performs idolatry, his soul reaches a state that the only way to achieve rectification is through death. In your example, there was no benefit derived by the victim. In my theology, there is.

 

[cambridge79]

The difference is that one is "in his name for his pleasure" and the other is, "for the good of the offender". Unlike in your example, my G-d doesn't experience pleasure, anger, hate or any other emotion. Everything that He commands is for the good of the individual on both sides of any given episode. Someone who performs idolatry, his soul reaches a state that the only way to achieve rectification is through death. In your example, there was no benefit derived by the victim. In my theology, there is.

your god doesn't experience anger? quite a bold assumption considering part of the myths involve things like the flood, sodom and gomorrah and half of the text can be summarized in "beware the wrath of god". Not to mention that in the very part of the text i linked it says "god was furious and Moses had to talk him down"

So are you assuming is fair for you to kill me or a Rabbi to kill me? I mean i definitely perform idolatry. Would you kill me?

this forum is full of disgusting people, telling me i have no moral than trying to sell me the idea that is right to kill people because they think different than you. And than playing the victim when they finally get called for what they are. I'm completely disgusted. This is the perfect example why many atheist consider religions extremely dangerous and i hope that even believers with a good and compassionate heart will agree with me on such point.

 

[Tumah]

your god doesn't experience anger? quite a bold assumption considering part of the myths involve things like the flood, sodom and gomorrah. Not to mention that in the very part of the text i linked it says "god was furious and Moses had to talk him down"

Like I said, through Jewish literature, phrases like these take on a different meaning.

So are you assuming is fair for you to kill me? I mean i definitely perform idolatry. Would you kill me?

No, its not out job to determine who is deserving to die, outside the framework we were given. As you noticed, the Israelites required a special commandment to kill them. We are not meant to be executioners, we are meant to be rectifiers. And we can only rectify what we are permitted to rectify. Otherwise we are destroying. Since we are not permitted to go around killing idol worshipers, from our perspective to do so would be causing destruction. From the perspective of the idol worshiper, he will require some other means of rectification.

 

[RRex]

would you worship an evil god if you were 100% sure of his existence?

No. Why ask for trouble?

 

[Ponder This]

suppose you're 100% sure there's a god, an allmighty god, that created the universe and all the rest, and this god asks you to kill, rape, torture and plunder in his name.

if you worship him he will send you in heaven where all sort of good things happens to you.
if you refuse to worship him he will send you in hell where eternal pain and torture awaits you.

would you worship him?

The dilemma is that the worship he receives is forced. It's sort of like confession under duress where people confess to crimes they didn't commit in order to put an end to torture. Many of the people who would "worship" him wouldn't actually adore him in any real sense and end up going to hell anyways. Because this is a hypothetical, people on this forum are free to say that they wouldn't worship him and not really feel any of the consequences of eternal pain and torture and because the hypothetical would ask people to kill, rape, torture, and plunder in his name, most people who would actually worship him are probably disinclined to admit it.

 

[Yoshua]

suppose you're 100% sure there's a god, an allmighty god, that created the universe and all the rest, and this god asks you to kill, rape, torture and plunder in his name.

Hi Cambridge,

Yes, there is a God that is Almighty and Creator of the universe but not kind of God that kills, rape and torture. I don't think those are the attributes of God.

if you worship him he will send you in heaven where all sort of good things happens to you.
if you refuse to worship him he will send you in hell where eternal pain and torture awaits you.

This sounds similar with the statement of the devil who tempted Jesus.
Matt. 4:8-10
8. Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory;
9. and he said to Him, "All these things will I give You, if You fall down and worship me."
10. Then Jesus said to him, "Begone, Satan! For it is written, `You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.'"

I think what God want us to do is to follow Him and obey His words.

Thanks

 

[arthra]

suppose you're 100% sure there's a god, an allmighty god, that created the universe and all the rest, and this god asks you to kill, rape, torture and plunder in his name.

if you worship him he will send you in heaven where all sort of good things happens to you.
if you refuse to worship him he will send you in hell where eternal pain and torture awaits you.

would you worship him?

It occurs to me that the result of killing, raping, torturing and plundering will only enhance the pain and torture that await you. Good does not spring from evil fruit or an evil corrupt tree.


consider love and union as a delectable paradise, and count annoyance and hostility as the torment of hell-fire.

there is no fiercer hell, no more fiery abyss, than to possess a character that is evil and unsound; no more darksome pit nor loathsome torment than to show forth qualities which deserve to be condemned.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 136)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

How would you know it's evil? If it's the creator of all things, including the 'objective' arbiter of morals, what would be 'good' would be anything it tells you is good. You'd have to make an independent moral judgement to determine that it's behaving in an evil way. And even then, it would be so simple to trot out that 'it knows what's best' 'you don't have the big picture it does' etc.