Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

That is indeed possible. But there is no character parallel to abraham in the near eastern literature while rama matches him much. So east could refer to a local east within india.

 

[crossfire]

That is indeed possible. But there is no character parallel to abraham in the near eastern literature while rama matches him much. So east could refer to a local east within india.

Are there any stories about people leaving the Indus Valley and the abandonment of the Harappan cities?

 

[crossfire]

Job wasn't Jewish according to the story.

I'll look into those descendants, thanks.

I did some investigating regarding the R-M124 gene. It's a Y chromosome gene, so Keturah couldn't have carried it, nor would her sons have obtained it from Abraham (who was probably of the J Haplogroup, not the R.) The Ashkenazi Levites probably picked up the R-M124 from elsewhere at a later period than what the OP is suggesting.

 

[River Sea]

@dybmh

Are you from this yadava region, my friend? Are you seeking an explanation for your own unique experiences?

My response: It all started when I inquired, "What exactly is a Jew?" I'm not a Yadava, and I've never been to India. I met @Bharat Jhunjhunwala in another Facebook group and read his book. His research captivated me, and I wanted to learn how to articulate what I had learned from his book as well as learn from others. Personally I allow to learn from light with in me and seen light a few times within people radiate outward, actually from you @dybmh I learn this word shechina from here or further up in thread

Judaism would assert that it's not the shechina that is nourishing. It would be the divinity from God that is brought to the material world through the vessel of the shechina.

Now about language which I want to continue please in this thread. You wrote.

I think it is a mistake to ascribe this quantity, magnitude, of significance to a single very common syllable. "Ya" linguistically is simple and easy to say. Naturally, it will be common among geographically diverse people without any other significance beyond it is easy to say.

It is easy to say. That's the most likely reason both cultures have it included in their language. Nothing more.

My response: Please show me how letters were formed and these past stories with letters, such as the letter H.

How come the letter H was added to change the name to Abraham? Was it people seeking to tell us through stories yet how to continue stories? What I learned so far was, Yud Dalet added to Abram (Abraham), showing the door from the physical world to spirituality for all humanity.

Do I understand the Hebrew letter H? I edit this to show.

 

[crossfire]

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How come the letter H was added to change the name to Abraham? Was it people seeking to tell us through stories yet how to continue stories? What I learned so far was, Yud Dalet added to Abram (Abraham), showing the door from the physical world to spirituality for all humanity.

Do I understand the Hebrew letter H? I edit this to show.

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Covenant Circumcision - When Abram was 99 years old, the LORD appeared to him, saying, “I am God Almighty. Live in My presence and be blameless. I will establish My covenant between Me and you, and I will multiply you greatly.” Then Abram fell facedown and God spoke with him: “As for Me, My...

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17 When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to him, saying, “I am God Almighty. Live in My presence and be blameless. 2 I will establish My covenant between Me and you, and I will multiply you greatly.”​

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3 Then Abram fell facedown and God spoke with him: 4 “As for Me, My covenant is with you: you will become the father of many nations. 5 Your name will no longer be Abram, but your name will be Abraham, for I will make you the father of many nations. 6 I will make you extremely fruitful and will make nations and kings come from you. 7 I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the God of your offspring after you. 8 And to you and your future offspring I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession, and I will be their God.”​

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As for the Hebrew letters, they were quite different in ancient times. See this chart:​

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Are there any stories about people leaving the Indus Valley and the abandonment of the Harappan cities?

Indeed there is. Krishna and the yadavas left for an unknown place after dwarka was submerged in the sea and abandoned. See mausala parva of mahabharata. Note also that this happened after the yadavas killed each other just as the Hebrews at Sinai.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I did some investigating regarding the R-M124 gene. It's a Y chromosome gene, so Keturah couldn't have carried it, nor would her sons have obtained it from Abraham (who was probably of the J Haplogroup, not the R.) The Ashkenazi Levites probably picked up the R-M124 from elsewhere at a later period than what the OP is suggesting.

You are right. But the hindu yadavas are not descendants of keturah. They are descendants of yayati, a descendant of noah and an ancestor of abraham. The line of yayati diverged at that time.

 

[crossfire]

You are right. But the hindu yadavas are not descendants of keturah. They are descendants of yayati, a descendant of noah and an ancestor of abraham. The line of yayati diverged at that time.

Then they are not Jews.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Then they are not Jews.

Jews are descendants of the 12 yadav tribes that left india with moses. They carried r.m124 with them.

 

[crossfire]

Jews are descendants of the 12 yadav tribes that left india with moses. They carried r.m124 with them.

If they diverged before Abraham, then they are gentiles, not Jews.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

If they diverged before Abraham, then they are gentiles, not Jews.

The assumption that only biological descendants of abraham were Jews or believers is incorrect. God made abraham father of all believers when he changed his name from Abram. In any event, ler us discuss genetics and exodus first.

 

[Bthoth]

Yadavas Hebrews were farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

Story telling.

As I comprehend the old literature and historical records of the region (egypt), I have come to realize that the story line is not just embellished but blatantly irresponsible. For example: What is an exodus from Egypt to the levant, that was Egypts New Kingdom? That whole region was held under egyptian control. The gods are not so flagrant to consider occupied lands of the per se slave trading egyptians to be a promised
land, which is now an apartheid oppressing millions of human beings.

 

[Bthoth]

If they diverged before Abraham, then they are gentiles, not Jews.

Weird. Anyone can be Jewish. For example Beta Israel are as Jewish as the big bibi nutlessyahoo.

 

[crossfire]

The assumption that only biological descendants of abraham were Jews or believers is incorrect. God made abraham father of all believers when he changed his name from Abram. In any event, ler us discuss genetics and exodus first.

The name Israel comes from Abraham's grandson, Jacob, as the name given to him by the angel he wrestled with. The word Jew comes from the tribe of Judha, one of the larger tribes of Israel. Even the descendants of Jacob's fraternal twin brother Esau are not considered Jews.

Now, I do agree with you that you don't have to be a biological Jew to become a Jew--you can be adopted as a Jew.

 

[Bthoth]

The name Israel comes from Abraham's grandson, Jacob, as the name given to him by the angel he wrestled with. The word Jew comes from the tribe of Judha, one of the larger tribes of Israel. Even the descendants of Jacob's fraternal twin brother Esau are not considered Jews.

Now, I do agree with you that you don't have to be a biological Jew to become a Jew--you can be adopted as a Jew.

Anyone trying to condemn a group of people as gentile is a form of bigotry.

 

[crossfire]

Anyone trying to condemn a group of people as gentile is a form of bigotry.

I'm not condemning anyone. I'm a gentile myself.

 

[Bthoth]

I'm not condemning anyone. I'm a gentile myself.

Strange to allow such a label to be considered.

 

[crossfire]

Strange to allow such a label to be considered.

Why do you say that? It's the appropriate word for the context of this conversation.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

The name Israel comes from Abraham's grandson, Jacob, as the name given to him by the angel he wrestled with. The word Jew comes from the tribe of Judha, one of the larger tribes of Israel. Even the descendants of Jacob's fraternal twin brother Esau are not considered Jews.

Now, I do agree with you that you don't have to be a biological Jew to become a Jew--you can be adopted as a Jew.

So come to genetics pl

 

[crossfire]

So come to genetics pl

What is your thesis?