Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER III

46. O God, protect us in battles, in this world, with the help of
heroes and destroy us not. O mighty hero, verily, as the vedic voice, re-
plete with noble virtues, offering oblations, displays the qualities of the
learned worshippers, so does the worshipper, put oblations into the fire,
which contribute to the happiness of mankind.
47. They, who with delightful vedic voice, working in cooperation,
perform their desired deeds, go to their comfortable house, after the com-
pletion of their task for the acquisition of noble virtues.
48. O purified through knowledge and righteousness, O patient
teacher of grammar, just as I a seeker after knowledge, and a firm gleaner
of wisdom, wash out the sin that I have committed through my senses
and the mortal body, so do thou O God, preserve me from tortuous sin.

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post#117 . Right? Please

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

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[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER V

25. O members of an Assembly, just as ye are the removers of
miseries, so I, the diffuser of the force of foes, having paid my homage
to ye, devoted people, set right these proud people by arms in the battle.
Just as ye are the killers of the sinners, so I, the scanner of the forces
of the enemy, having made ye, devoted people, comfortable, turn aside
the ignoble people. Just as I, the arranger of the troops indifferent
orders, fill with ease, ye, the destroyers of foes and performers of sacri-
fices, so do ye. Just as ye the killers of foes and acquirers of strength,
receive the worshipper and the learned priest, so do I. Just as ye the
destroyers of foes, and acquirers of strength, know through reasoning
the ways of the learned, and the knowledge pertaining to God, so should
I. Just as ye all are worshippers of All pervading God, so am I.
26. O learned man, in this world created by the happinsss-bestow-
ing God, I receive thee with the force and strength of vital breaths, and
the arm and power of punishment of a fully developed hero.
Protecting this world, I behead the sinners, Thou hast the power
of imparting virtue and removing vice. Remove from us our haters and
enemies. For the exposition of Truth, for flying in air, for consolidating
our material forces, we seek thy refuge.
This is the abode of the learned. May all who reside near them
make themselves pure. O woman thou also behave likewise.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post#117 . Right? Please

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Are the "sinners" mentioned in Veda in the above chapter V the enemies termed as "unbelievers of Veda"?Please
Who were these enemies? Please name them.
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win this war are were got defeated? Please
Is it spiritual while the word "material" is used in the verses? Please
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[paarsurrey]

Why do you take coming in of people as invasion? The Syrian refugees are not invaders in Europe. Similarly, Aryans were pushed to the South by Scythians in the North. They were migrants/refugees in India. I do not think many indigenous people left their homes. Have the Europeans left their homes? This coming and going, people searching for greener pastures has gone in all ages in all places. The Aryans adjusted well here, without much upheavals or wars. Even before Aryans, there were other migrants. Even Dravidians are supposed to have migrated into India via Mekran and Khyber some 40,000 years ago. Aryans did not make a new road, the road was already there. There were migrations from East also, that is why the slanted eyes of Bengalis and Assamese. India has always been a great place of refuge. And those who came here, stayed.

Does one mean that the Aryans got defeated many times by the Cythians and hence Aryans were forced to enter the India-sub-Continent, as ones' post above suggests? Please
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[Aupmanyav]

Does one mean that the Aryans got defeated many times by the Cythians and hence Aryans were forced to enter the India-sub-Continent, as ones' post above suggests?

Probably yes. In later times, they were concentrated in Turkmenistan (around Amu dariya, Merv region) and Afghanistan in East. That is where Alexander found them and called the region 'Ariana'. In historical times, Scythians attacked and ruled over parts of India.

The Western branch traveled through Balkans, Greece, Germany, etc. You see Paarsurrey, no people are permanent victors in the world. That is the lesson of history. One who wins today will be defeated tomorrow. Whether it is Kublai Khan, Genghis Khan, Alexander, Napoleon or Hitler. And no country remains rich and prosperous for all times. Even Saudi Arabia is feeling the pinch these days. I do not think USA is in any better shape. They have an external debt of 18 trillion USD, they are living on debt. This is known as 'leela' in Hinduism. As the theists say "lā ḥawla wa lā quwwata illā billāh".

 

[paarsurrey]

“foes, military laws, shooting weapons , soldiers, battles, battle-fields, arms, enemies, battle is source of prosperity”

Yajurveda Chapter VII : 37-38

"37. O' Commander of the army, fearless in the extirpation of foes,
thou art accepted as head according to military laws. This exalted
position is a source of inspiration for thee.
I enjoin thee to prepare for war embodying the use of shooting
weapons. I acknowledge thee as exerting utmost for the battle. Be
thou friendly unto all, and lead thy soldiers. Just as the sun, imbibes
the essence of all objects through air, so should'st thou realise the
significance of all objects. Acquire knowledge, and suppress the
opponents of truth and justice. Be victorious in the battle-field. Make
all free from fear everywhere.
38. Thou, head of the state, the conqueror of enemies, the lord of
five classes of subjects under thy sway, and armies, strong in body and soul,
take with thy meals, invigorating herbs, for pleasure and conquest. Fill
thy belly with the sweet flow of well-cooked meals. Thou art the
sovereign of all great deeds and requiring deep thought. Thou hast been
initiated in the rules of administration ; we harness thee for battle involving
the use of arms and weapons. This battle is the source of thy
prosperity ; hence we goad thee to that battle."​

“Yajurveda “Translated by Devi Chand.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Thread open for everybody, believers of a religion or no religion.

"38. Thou, head of the state, the conqueror of enemies, the lord of
five classes of subjects under thy sway"

Can somebody elaborate which are these five classes of the subjects mentioned in Verse 38 above? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”


War is mentioned as core teachings of the Vedic-People during the Vedic-Period in Veda/Yajurveda
To summarize my points in first two pages, or forty posts, of this thread:

• The contents of Yajurveda Chapter 5 Verse 25-26 are very clear about it. War was taken by the Vedic-People as an essential part of their religion and a duty to get pure from sins or salvation.

• Battles were fought to acquire material gains, spoils, wealth and prosperity. Yajurveda Chapter VII : 37-38

“This battle is the source of thy prosperity ; hence we goad thee to that battle.” Post #1​

• Acquiring knowledge of Veda and fighting battles was intertwined. Post #5

• There is hardly mention of any “peace” or its promotion in Yajurveda.

• There is no mention of Ahimsa principles, or non-violence in Yajurveda.

• Chapter 2 verse 14: "Thou art Omniscient and the Bringerof victory in battles. May we prosper and sing Thy praises. I become pure and holy by following Thy commands." Some people hold that there are no commands in Veda; they should note this verse which mentions it.

• “Thy second duty is to propagate religious truths” Post #5

• “Guardian of the Vedas” “winners ofbattle” in one verse. #22

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.

• The "sinners" mentioned in Yajurveda in chapter V the enemies are termed as "unbelievers of Veda”.

• Who were these enemies? Please name them.

• Did this battle mentioned in Yajurveda chapter 5 happen before migration of the Vedic people to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please clarity.

• Did the Vedic people win this war mentioned in Yajurveda Chapter 5 or they got defeated? Please

• It cannot be treated as spiritual as the word "material" is used in the verses.

• Yajurveda chapter VI:2-3 “God the creator will rule over thee” So, Indra is ruled over by "G-d the creator" as mentioned in the verse.

Indra was born later:
The anthropomorphic god Indra was the most important god in the Vedic religion and he later became a major figure in Hinduism​

• Army arrangement in the battle are discussed (Yajurveda, Chapter 17:40), “In battle, the commander, the leader of these armies of the learned, the conqueror and demolisher of the enemies should march behind.The organiser of the army should march in front. The leader of big bands should march on the right. The encourager of the army should march on the left. The warriors swift like air should march ahead.

• How the military band should play its role in the battle is discussed (Yajurveda, Chapter 17:40):

“ O queen the slayer of foes, organise the bands of thjr army,
that bewilders the hearts of the forces of the enemy, remain aloof from
sin, convey thy aim to thy soldiers, burn down the foes, whereby they
may abide in utter darkness with hearts full of griefs.”​

• Chapter 13: Verse 36 describe which kind of steeds to be used in battles:

“36. O learned, powerful person, verily harness thou thy steeds,
which are well disciplined and trained, and carry the conveyance with
full force in thy attacks on the foe with righteous indignation.”​

• Description of flags to be used in battle Verse 43 is mentioned.

• Use of cannons in the battles is discussed. Verse 47

• Use of Archery is discussed. Verse 45

• The supplies to the army are mentioned. Verse 46

• Use of armour is discussed. Verse 49

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I want to highlight certain words/parts of a quotation from Yajurveda in post #1 for the convenience of the readers:

Yajurveda Chapter VII : 37-38

"37. O' Commander of the army, fearless in the extirpation of foes,
thou art accepted as head according to military laws. This exalted
position is a source of inspiration for thee.
I enjoin thee to prepare for war embodying the use of shooting
weapons. I acknowledge thee as exerting utmost for the battle. Be
thou friendly unto all, and lead thy soldiers. Just as the sun, imbibes
the essence of all objects through air, so should'st thou realise the
significance of all objects. Acquire knowledge, and suppress the
opponents of truth and justice. Be victorious in the battle-field. Make
all free from fear everywhere.
38. Thou, head of the state, the conqueror of enemies, the lord of
five classes of subjects under thy sway, and armies, strong in body and soul,
take with thy meals, invigorating herbs, for pleasure and conquest. Fill
thy belly with the sweet flow of well-cooked meals. Thou art the
sovereign of all great deeds and requiring deep thought. Thou hast been
initiated in the rules of administration ; we harness thee for battle involving
the use of arms and weapons. This battle is the source of thy
prosperity ; hence we goad thee to that battle."​

“Yajurveda “Translated by Devi Chand.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I want to highlight certain words/parts of a quotation from Yajurveda in post #39
for the convenience of the readers:

Yajurveda Chapter 13: Verse 36

36. O learned, powerful person, verily harness thou thy steeds,
whicK are well disciplined and trained, and carry the conveyance with
full force in thy attacks on the foe with righteous indignation.​

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Please
Regards

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

paarsurrey

Namaste,

Yajurveda CHAPTER II

14. Oh God, may Thou be glorified by our praises sung through
Thy Vedas. May Thou promote our knowledge. Oh God, may we
advance our soul. O God Thou controllest the activities of all. Thou
art the embodiment of knowledge. Thou art Omniscient and the Bringer
of victory in battles. May we prosper and sing Thy praises. I become
pure and holy by following Thy commands.

15. May I achieve victory like the victory of Fire and Moon. May
I speed onward with the materials of war. May Fire and Moon, drive
off him who hates us, drive off the man whom we detest. May I remove
that sinful enemy by warlike, military skill and equipment. May I
achieve victory like the victory of Air and Lightning. May I achieve
happiness through the impulse of knowledge, used for the acquisition
of supremacy. May air and lightning properly employed, drive off
him who hates us, drive of the man whom we dislike. I purify this
ignorant person by the light of knowledge.

Compare Tulsi Rams Translations.

2-14
Agni, Lord of the fire of yajna, this samhidha (fuel wood) is food for you. Burn with it, grow, expand and illuminate. With the Growth of yagna, expand us too in body, mind and soul. We shall grow, and we shall expand in body, mind and soul. Agni, you are food. You are knowledge, speed and progress and the winner of victories. for the growth of food and knowledge, for the acceleration of speed and motion, and for the sake of victory over want and evil in life, we study, refine and multiply the power of fire through yagna for the common good.

2-15
Let us flow Agni and Soma, lords of fire and water and win whatever this duo has won. With inspiration for growth and development, we dedicate ourselves to study and work. May agni and soma ward off whoever hates us. For the sake of growth and development, we reject whatever we don't approve. Let us flow Indra and Agni, lords of power and fire, and win what this duo can win. with inspiration for growth and development, we dedicate our self to study and research. May Indra and Agni ward off whatever/whoever hates us. For sake of Growth and development, we reject whatever we all hate.

coincidentally Tulsi Ram just like Devi Chand is a Arya Samaj person.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

paarsurrey
Yajurveda CHAPTER I

33. Ye two divine performers of harmless sacrifice, come hither
upon a plane with sun-bright exterior, and clearly accomplish your
journey, battle, and yajna with agreeable provisions.
34. O young preachers, having acquired knowledge through
celibacy, just as a learned person, the leader of all, endowed with noble
qualities, brilliant like the sun, highly lauded for his speeches on knowable
conduct, visits all our sons and cattle } so should ye approach and gladden
us, and purify our intellect.
35. O slayer of foes like sun, the slayer of clouds, father of supre-
macy in knowledge, giver of food, noble man, all things are in thy power
today, when wilt thou harness them.

Namaste,

Chapter 1 has only 31 Verses, i think your reference here is wrong, please check.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey"
Yajurveda CHAPTER I

16. The yajna keeps away the thieves, refines and sweetens the
speech, is productive of foodstuffs and is the bestower of knowledge and
vigour. Let the performance of such yajnas be inculcated. May we
through the aid of heroic persons win battles again and again.
The yajna is instrumental in producing rain, may we know thee as
rain producer. We should try to efface the dacoits and exploiters of
impure minds who lead an impious life.
Just as the air with its strong hands of definite motion to and fro
receives the oblations and just as the bright Sun full of luminous beams,
with his faultless rays resolves into atoms the substances put into the fire,
so do God and the scholars preach all sciences for the good of humanity.

Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.
Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda. Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

Namaste,

Did you read the complete Mantra of just quick searched the word battle?

The vary first sentence said "the yagna keeps away thieves", it also mentions that "We should try to efface the dacoits and exploiters of impure minds who lead an impious life", the prosperity won in the metaphorical battle here is Knowledge, sweet speech and vigor, it also says "God and the scholars preach all sciences for the good of humanity", which has nothing to do with Atheism ect

Your questions don't make sense.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey, post: 4885081, member: 37462"]I want to highlight certain words/parts of a quotation from Yajurveda in post #1 for the convenience of the readers:

Yajurveda Chapter VII : 37-38

Namaste,

The Devta or subject matter in this Mantra is Prajapati (Commander/King/Ruler/lord of the Land), the Mantra is accurate within it context, the meaning of the Mantra is that any person in the office of defense must abide by their Dharmah, to defend and protect.

You are taking the Mantras out of context.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey"

Yajurveda CHAPTER I

29. The wicked should be removed, the enemies of truth should be
punished ; those fit to be shackled should be cast aside and those opposed
to knowledge should come to grief. Oh destroyer of foes, Thou art not
wrathful, I prepare thee full of virility for battle.
Those who can't tolerate the good of others must be chastised,
and openly condemned. Those who cause harm to others should be
humiliated. I duly instruct the army to be strong for weakening the foe,
and waging war.

Namaste,

Tulsi Rams translation

1-29

Yagna is not a sharp edge weapon of destruction but a peaceful mode of regeneration. The lawless are uprooted, the selfish are driven out. I take up the Yagna materials for recuperative purpose and consecrate those for the offering. The force of Yagna is positive, of love and non-violence, but it is most effective in operation. It corrects the Lawless, converts the selfish and eliminates the destructive. I honor this power for the sustenance of nature, life and humanity.

Dhanyavad

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

paarsurrey
Yajurveda CHAPTER I

32. Those who worship God are not molested by evil-minded foes
neither at home, nor upon pathways and battlefields. I become capable
of acquiring God and the sages.

Namaste,

Incorrect reference, Chapter one only has 31 Mantras, please correct.

Dhanyavad

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey"

Yajurveda Chapter 13: Verse 36

36. O learned, powerful person, verily harness thou thy steeds,
whicK are well disciplined and trained, and carry the conveyance with
full force in thy attacks on the foe with righteous indignation.​

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Please
Regards

Namaste,

Tulsi Rams translation.

13-36

Agni, Lord of power and science, those horses of yours which are swift and accurate to carry you to the target of your ardour and ambition, like an arrow and thunder bolt, are wonderful. Lord of speech, rise and yoke the horses to your chariot.

Dhanyavad

 

[paarsurrey]

Namaste,
Incorrect reference, Chapter one only has 31 Mantras, please correct.
Dhanyavad

You are right.
It is chapter III Verse 32
Sorry for the mistake. Everybody to make correction of reference in post of Aug 27, 2016 #117
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Namaste,
Chapter 1 has only 31 Verses, i think your reference here is wrong, please check.

You are right.
It is chapter CHAPTER XXXIII Verse 33-35.
Sorry for the mistake. Everybody to make correction of reference in post of Aug 30, 2016 #119

Thanks and regards

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

You are right.
It is chapter III Verse 32
Sorry for the mistake. Everybody to make correction of reference in post of Aug 27, 2016 #117
Regards

Namaste,

May i present Tulsi Rams translation:

3-32
Devta Aditya
Never in their homes, nor in their Paths of life, nor even in their defense, shall there be any enemy or a supporter of evil. The Lord is in command of the life of the pious devotee.

No mention of Atheism ect

 

[Aupmanyav]

"38. Thou, head of the state, the conqueror of enemies, the lord of
five classes of subjects under thy sway"

Can somebody elaborate which are these five classes of the subjects mentioned in Verse 38 above? Please
Regards

The five Aryan tribes that came to India - Panchajanas (five people) - Yadus, Turvasas, Anus, Druhyus, and Purus.
There were others too, but these five are accepted classically.
https://books.google.co.in/books?id...NBmkQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=panchajanas&f=false

 

[Aupmanyav]

The sum of all these posts:

Yes, war is part of life. Even if one does not want war, it is forced upon by others (like in case of India). Aryans requested divine help against enemies. Currently, India manufactures or buy armament to keep pace with its probable enemies, Pakistan and China, and maintains good relations with those who are not comfortable with Pakistan and China. The enemy of your enemy is your friend. Facts of life, cannot be dismissed. It is so in modern times, it was so even in Aryan times. Nothing strange about it.

I have selected the first image about this in Google images. There are so many others.