Yeshua / Jesus Vs Saul / Paul Points

[Muffled]

If you're not interested in understanding the Great Deception the Bible prophesied; you can believe what you wish....

Glad many of you don't follow Yeshua tho, saves having any of you in the Messianic age.

The Holy Spirit exists throughout the Tanakh, from the very first lines of Genesis....

It being sent by jesus is made up within John, and continued by Christianity.

Why would I wish to understand that which is false? I believe I don't bother to read the Gnostic gospels either because it is garbage.

I believe having Jesus in me is better than trying to follow him and I guarantee you I will be wherever God wants me.

I believe that is correct but the Paraclete is not.

I believe you are incorrect. The Paraclete is God's intention and the words of Jesus.

 

[wizanda]

Why would I wish to understand that which is false?

Because that is what is prophesied to happen, the case is established by YHVH, and everything that is warned about in the prophets, has been fulfilled as part of the deception.

 

[Muffled]

Because that is what is prophesied to happen, the case is established by YHVH, and everything that is warned about in the prophets, has been fulfilled as part of the deception.

I don't believe I have read anything yet to make me believe what you say but it certainly helps me to believe you have a self deception.

 

[life.period]

Before we start this, lets make one thing clear, John is made up and Simon was called a stone (peter) for a reason; so neither can be used to argue this case.

This article is old, so admittingly there are lots of things that could be improved on, and overall far more points than this; so feel free to add any you know of.

1. Christ said he came to fulfill the law and not to end it. Paul said he came to end the Law, and if we are in Christ we are free of the Law.

2. Christ said that we are judged by the commandments; Paul said we are free of them, if we are in Christ.

3. Christ said that we should not judge, Paul said that the spiritual may judge and should not be judged.

4. Christ said that God is the judge, Paul said Christ is.

5. Christ said that the inheritance is from God and they killed him to try and steal it, as in the parable of the vine dresser; Paul said that we have an inheritance because of Christ's death.

6. Christ said not to sacrifice the innocent, Paul praised the fact that Christ died.

7. Christ said that God is the lord of the living; Paul said that we should remain with Christ in death.

8. Christ showed that reincarnation happens, as he said John was Elijah, Paul said we only live once.

9. Christ said God is spirit, Paul said Christ is the image of God; breaking the second commandment.

10. Christ said he was sent and was a servant and a son, Paul said Christ is equal to God and even said he was God.

11. Christ said to worship God, Paul said to worship Christ.

12. Christ said to be one in God, Paul said to be one body in Christ.

13. Christ said that faith in God is powerful; Paul said that faith is "the faith' and so turning its meaning in to church attendance.

14. Christ showed and said to have faith in God; Paul said have faith in Christ.

15. Christ said have one father, Paul said he had begotten people in Christ so making him a father to them.

16. Christ said that we should want of nothing and trust in God, giving up wealth and helping the poor after his death, 3 thousand people were practicing this. Paul ended this and then said if we don't work we don't eat, and even went back to work while preaching him self.

17. Christ said it will be hard for a rich man to enter heaven; Paul aspired to have wealth and for two years he rented his own house.

18. Christ said we have forgiveness for forgiving others; Paul said we have forgiveness in Christ.

19. Christ said we are justified by our words, Paul said we are justified by Christ.

20. Christ said God would show mercy to the merciful, Paul said we have mercy in Christ.

21. Christ said to be like children to enter heaven; Paul said not to be like children.

22. Christ said to be the light of the world and to show the bad through love how to be good, Paul said to have nothing to do with bad people and push them out.

23. Christ and the Bible said wisdom will make you shine in heaven, and he said that we should increase the talents we are born with; Paul said to be simple in Christ.

24. Christ said, if you help collect in the harvest (works) you will receive your reward, Paul said it is not by works but by faith in Christ alone.

25. Christ said don't make vain repetition in prayers; Paul established it as a way to pray, through the wording he used and the Pharisee ways he showed.

26. Christ said hate self and love through God's love, then this is unconditional, Paul said who doesn't love them self's.

27. Christ said women can be sisters (equal), Paul said they should remain lower.

28. Christ said we should remember him through the sharing of bread (start of acts, only bread); Paul said to remember him through wine.

29. Christ said that his disciples should only drink water; Paul made the drinking of wine (communion) a religious Ritual.

30. Christ clearly showed and said do not worry about being accepted by man, Paul said to be accepted by many.

31. Christ said take up your cross and follow me, as the cross was a symbol in many cultures for God. Paul turned the cross into only a symbol of Christ's death, and caused it to become idolatry.

32. Christ said he came to bring division, meaning that we all follow God; Paul said Christ came to bring peace.

33. Christ said God is the teacher, Paul said him self is a teacher.

34. Christ warned of those who say the time is near, Paul preached the time is near.

35. Christ said invite the poor to your house and feed the hungry, Paul said let the hungry eat at home, and showed to only invite friends for food.

36. Christ says salvation comes from repentance, Paul said Salvation comes from the death of Christ.

Totally true

Paul is false prophet


For example ,

Jesus said he come to fulfil law

Matthew 5:17 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Paul called to break law .

He said " law is not faith " Galatians

He broke law and god convenient that mentioned in genesis

God convient is circumstances

God said to Abraham " you and your sons will keep convenet "

prophet Muhammad peace be upon him kept convenet and all Muslims practice god convenient.

 

[Muffled]

Totally true

Paul is false prophet


For example ,

Jesus said he come to fulfil law

Matthew 5:17 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Paul called to break law .

He said " law is not faith " Galatians

He broke law and god convenient that mentioned in genesis

God convient is circumstances

God said to Abraham " you and your sons will keep convenet "

prophet Muhammad peace be upon him kept convenet and all Muslims practice god convenient.

I believe you are the false prophet in saying this.

I believe there is no evidence of this and it is a complete fantasy on your part.

I believe this is not a breaking of the law just a good guide for what things are. also there is a second part to this verse.

Ga 3:12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them.

I don't know what that is about but I eat pork and lobster so I don't follow old testament law to the letter because Jesus is the law giver and has allowed it.

I don't believe Mohammed has a covenant with God and certainly would not have kept the Jewish covenant that God made with the Jewish people or the covenant that Jesus made with all people. I also believe Muslims are in the same boat as Mohammed.

I believe that covenant is succeeded by the New Covenant of Jesus. Since as Paul stated there is no longer a wall between Jews and Gentiles as was the case in the previous covenant then there is no longer a need for a circumcision.

 

[MountainPine]

I don't see how Paul tried to do away with the Torah. Scripture states the contrary:

Paul always kept the Sabbath (Acts 17:1, Acts 18:4)
Paul kept the Feasts (Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16)
Paul instructed us to keep the Feasts (1 Corinthians 5:7-8)
Paul believed all of the Torah (Acts 24:14)
Paul stated that we establish the Torah (Romans 3:31)
Paul taught from the Torah (Acts 28:23)
Paul obeyed the Torah (Acts 21:24, Romans 7:25)
Paul took delight in the Torah (Romans 7:22)
Paul said the Torah is holy (Romans 7:12)
Paul said the Torah is spiritual (Romans 7:14)
Paul said not to judge anyone observing the Torah (Colossians 2:16-17)
Paul said that doers of the Torah are justified (Romans 2:13)
Paul said teachers who break the Torah dishonor Yahweh and blaspheme His name (Romans 2:21-24)
Paul said we learn what sin is from the Torah (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7)
Paul taught that being under grace is not a license to break the Torah (Romans 6:15)

 

[metis]

I don't see how Paul tried to do away with the Torah. Scripture states the contrary:

Paul always kept the Sabbath (Acts 17:1, Acts 18:4)
Paul kept the Feasts (Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16)
Paul instructed us to keep the Feasts (1 Corinthians 5:7-8)
Paul believed all of the Torah (Acts 24:14)
Paul stated that we establish the Torah (Romans 3:31)
Paul taught from the Torah (Acts 28:23)
Paul obeyed the Torah (Acts 21:24, Romans 7:25)
Paul took delight in the Torah (Romans 7:22)
Paul said the Torah is holy (Romans 7:12)
Paul said the Torah is spiritual (Romans 7:14)
Paul said not to judge anyone observing the Torah (Colossians 2:16-17)
Paul said that doers of the Torah are justified (Romans 2:13)
Paul said teachers who break the Torah dishonor Yahweh and blaspheme His name (Romans 2:21-24)
Paul said we learn what sin is from the Torah (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7)
Paul taught that being under grace is not a license to break the Torah (Romans 6:15)

However:
Romans 6:14: “Sin will no longer have power over you; you are under grace, not under the Law.”
7:6: “Now we are released from the Law.”
10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law.”
11:20: They were cut off because of their unbelief and you are there because of faith.”
14:20: “All foods are clean.”

I Corinthians 7:19: “Circumcision counts for nothing.”

Galatians 3:10: “All who depend on the observance of the Law… are under a curse.”
5:2: “If you have yourself circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you.”
5:4 “Any of you who seek your justification in the Law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God’s favor.”
6:15: “It means nothing whether you are circumcised or not.”

Ephesians 2:15: “In his own flesh he abolished the Law with its commands and precepts.”

 

[MountainPine]

Romans 6:14: “Sin will no longer have power over you; you are under grace, not under the Law.”

Only those who sin (those who break it) are under the Law. Those who obey it are not. To be under the Law is to be subject to it's disciplinary measures: death (i.e. "the wages of sin is death")

7:6: “Now we are released from the Law.”

This is a fulfillment of the prophecy in Jeremiah 31:33. We are released from the letter because it has been written down in the hearts of the righteous. Those who live by the spirit of the Law are not going to break the letter.

10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law.”

"End" should be taken to mean as "goal," not "cessation." (see Matthew 5:17-18)

11:20: They were cut off because of their unbelief and you are there because of faith.”

I don't see how this supports your argument. I see this as the old "branches" being cut off because they did not obey God and his Law. To have faith means to be obedient, that is to God's law.

14:20: “All foods are clean.”

No, it says "All things are clean." πάντα (panta) means "things" not "food." The versions that say "All foods" are wrong. Everything is a pure creation, but that doesn't mean that everything is clean to eat.

I Corinthians 7:19: “Circumcision counts for nothing.”

Paul preached to the Gentiles, not the Israelites. Gentiles are not a part of the Abrahamic covenant. Paul isn't saying circumcision is useless anyway. He is saying that obeying the commands of God is more profitable than getting circumcised. If you're not going to obey God then he doesn't care whether or not you're circumcised.

Galatians 3:10: “All who depend on the observance of the Law… are under a curse.”
5:2: “If you have yourself circumcised, Christ will be of no use to you.”
5:4 “Any of you who seek your justification in the Law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God’s favor.”
6:15: “It means nothing whether you are circumcised or not.”

No, the Galatians passage says "All who depend on the works of the Law...." ἔργων (ergon) means "works" or "deeds" not "observance". What translation are you quoting from? Paul backs up his argument by quoting from Deuteronomy 27:26: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.” Obviously one who depends on the works of the Law is one who is going through the motions—those only concerned about circumcision, dietary restrictions, Sabbath/Feast observances, ritual sacrifices, etc. and ignoring the more important things like loving your neighbor as yourself, thou shall not kill, etc. Christ got onto the Pharisees about this, saying that they "ignore the weightier matters of the Law." (Matthew 23:23) and they "reject the commandments of God for their own tradition" (Mark 7:9). The Pharisees are an example of people who depend on the works of the Law, but those who obey the Law in full are the ones with the faith. Faith is defined as expecting that God will do as he promised in return for our full obedience. (see Hebrews 5:8-9) If you are circumcised but are disobedient, then your circumcision means nothing. Abraham was rewarded because he obeyed God, therefore the true covenant of Abraham is obedience. Circumcision is only an outward expression of it. If you consider the tone of language that Paul was using to write to the Galatians, you can tell that he was displeased with them and was telling them off for disobedience.

Ephesians 2:15: “In his own flesh he abolished the Law with its commands and precepts.”

Let's take a look at the full verse: "having abolished in His flesh the enmity – the Torah of the commands in dogma – so as to create in Himself one renewed man from the two, thus making peace,"

Some versions say Law, but regardless, "Torah" or "Law" should not be capitalized. This is referring to a law of dogma or ordinances, I.e. man's law, not the Law of God. For example, the Pharisees had their own law, which was their own tradition, later written and compiled into the Talmud. Where in the Old Testament or in the Gospels does it describe God's Law as "dogma" or "ordinances"? Clearly Paul isn't talking about the Torah.

 

[metis]

Some versions say Law, but regardless, "Torah" or "Law" should not be capitalized. This is referring to a law of dogma or ordinances, I.e. man's law, not the Law of God. For example, the Pharisees had their own law, which was their own tradition, later written and compiled into the Talmud. Where in the Old Testament or in the Gospels does it describe God's Law as "dogma" or "ordinances"? Clearly Paul isn't talking about the Torah.

First of all, I'm really not going to waste time going through each of your comments.

Secondly, the word "ordinance(s)" is mentioned 98 times in the Tanakh: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv...inances&restrict=Old+Testament&size=First+100

Thirdly, in Judaism, we always capitalize "Law" when used in reference to the Mosaiic Law because it's used as a proper name.

Finally, the reality is you're simply fabricating stories about the Law, misinterpreting it, and then playing very fast & loose with the verses from Paul's writings I posted. Therefore, there simply is no reason for me to continue on with this.

 

[MountainPine]

Pointing out the importance of obedience is "fabricating stories"? Okay then.... I assume you follow the Law, and I did nothing but defend it, but you attack me for it? WTF man....

 

[Rise]

Here is a list of points comparing the Synoptic Gospels Vs John, and more here.

I outright disproved or soundly addressed all of your points in that first thread, but you never responded to it.
Given that, why do you continue to insist on making the same claims about the Gospel of John when it's already been shown your reasoning doesn't hold up to closer scrutiny?

Before we start this, lets make one thing clear, John is made up and Simon was called a stone (peter) for a reason; so neither can be used to argue this case.

I reject your premise on the grounds that you were never able to defend your original claims about the Gospel of John, and made no attempt to even modify them in light of new evidence being presented to you. Your claims about the Gospel of John stand disproven.

 

[wizanda]

why do you continue to insist on making the same claims about the Gospel of John

Make the claims as the evidence is consistent, and surprised people have trouble even seeing it....Sorry for the late reply on your other post.

Plus the argument against Paul, is separate to the argument against John...

Where in theology we're taught that Paul is the founder of Christianity, with many theologians and noble prize winners spotting it.

 

[Torah4Yah]

The fact that a person would honestly think that Paul wasn't an Apostle of Christ is astonishing for an educated person. Paul depended upon Christ for everything. For you to try to say they taught different things is ludicrous, heinous and downright heretical.

The only one that ever called Paul an apostle was Paul. Deuteronomy 2 witness standard, name a witness for Paul, you can't not one. Their are 12 names on the new Jerusalem not 13. There are 12 apostles only will ever be 12. Paul is not one of them.

Other things Paul said:
That he was set apart in the womb.
We know 2 that were (Yahowsha & John the Baptist). In what way are their early life similar?
In no way.

2 Corinthians 12:7
Paul has a demon after him just like King Saul a corrective one at that. Didn't know we had such a thing.

Ravenous wolf prophecy anyone?

Paul taught faith and grace
Yahowah & Yahowsha taught know and trust

When Yahowsha was crucified he said it is finished.
Listen to him all that you need to know was already given tanahk (Torah prophets psalms )

Yahowsha said when I leave I will not return until I return ( and all will know he has returned).
Paul used the word (histemi) on many occasions. Paul is saying he was in the physical presence of Yahowsha speaking with him after the crucifixion so Who is lying?

Things you need to know Paul taught a new way to salvation taught against Torah mocked Moses was at odds with Peter ( to his face) a real apostle that was personally trained by Yahowsha. This is a big problem. Paul never even met Yahowsha.

He was a Pharisee son of a Pharisee. Yahowsha said they were of their father the devil.

People that Paul has common ground with (Pharo and Herod). No one that persecuted Yahowah's people on that level ever came to know him.

Yahowsha said one will come in his own name and him you will accept, sounds like Paul to me.

Follow Yahowah and Yahowsha then you will see you have little in common with Paul.

 

[Torah4Yah]

The J in Jesus is only around 500 years old it was originally written iesus.

Latin
Iesus
I.e. = that is,
Sus= pig sow swine

Jesus = Iesus = the pig
An insult to the messiah.

Strongs 1167
Lord = Baal
Every man that has been to seminary knows this.

Praise Jesus , thank the lord
Praise the pig , thank the Satan

Really people the great deception is bigger than you think.

By this name shall you be saved
Jesus? Lord? Really?

The majority of the NT is toilet paper there are 6 plagerisms from one of Euripides plays called Baccus ( about demons).

2 examples
Pauls prison break
Saul Saul why do you persecute me it's hard to kick against the goads (pricks).

Trinity= lie

7 spirits of Yahowah

Faith & grace = lie & pagan goddesses

Know what he said and trust in it.

Resurrection = lie, he rose from She'owl not from the physical tomb. What good does physical death do a spiritual soul? Christians worship a dead god, the corpse on whom vultures profit

Yahowsha was the Passover lamb what is done with the Passover lamb? (Not allowed to see light of the next day)

Laws = lie
No Hebrew word for law. Torah means Teaching, Guidance and Instruction

What law? Suggestions for healthy living.

Fear Yahowah= lie

Rever and respect Yahowah.

Hell= lie
It's was used to inspire fear, three destinations heaven , cease to exist , incarceration with Satan for knowingly blocking people from knowing Yahowah.
She'owl is the absence of life- separation from God

Worship= lie.

We are to choose whether we want to be Yahowah's family or not. You don't bow and grovel before family you stand upright with family.
Examples everyone that fell before Yahowsha he asked to get up. The only one that wants to be worshiped is Satan and he wants to be worshiped as God knowingly or not. Respect is the word that should translated, not fear.

Food laws = lie

Food laws are a metaphor describing different religions. Rabbit that chews cud didn't exist ever.
Why were we given guide lines to butcher unclean animals. Why? What do you butcher an animal for? To eat it. The pig is unclean because it doesn't chew the cud but it has a split hoof. Cud is ability to digest the truth (chew mentally) the split hoof is being set apart. The swine is christianty. The bible is the publications of the swine the other clue is the name Jesus. Don't cast pearls before swine means don't wast your time casting the Torah before Christians. They are under Paul's spell of grace and generally unable to reason with the truth because of Pauls endless circular reasoning. Eating a pork chop in other words does nothing. Spiritually eating the swine is the point. Why is "the bread" known as spiritual ie the messiah, but the pork is physical? No, in context, both are spiritual. We don't literally cannibalize the messiah. We don't literally eat pork. The spiritual state of your soul and what you ingest mentally to feed it is the point.

No man knows the day he will return= lie

The armies at Megiddo know do you think they camp out and look at their watch and say any day now? The enemy knows when why don't you? The day no one knows is the harvest of souls (poorly translated rapture). He will return with a garment red with blood (Yom Kippur). I will leave it to you to figure out the day and year.
No one knows the day of the "rapture" aka the Taruwah Harvest of souls.

Reincarnation = lie

Yahowsha was a physical body that had the spirit of Yahowah that is why he left him right before he died Yahowah can't die. John the Baptist you spoke about is the least in heaven why is this? Did he have a choice like you and I? Remember he was set apart in the womb one of only 2 he had the spirit of Elijah upon him. He had to make good on the prophesies. Paul lied about being set apart in womb proof is his early life is nothing like the 2 that were.

So what is salvation?
You must be cut into the covenant (circumcised).
Attend understand the moed Miqra (the 7 feasts)
Leave Babylon behind.
Acknowledge Yahowsha as the diminished corporeal manifestation of Yahowah, which means Yahowah Saves.
Keep sabbath.

 

[wizanda]

I.e. = that is,
Sus= pig sow swine

A better translation is Jeh-Sus = Lord of the Beasts....so when revelations says the world follows the 'beast' it all makes sense.

That he was set apart in the womb.

To be 'set apart' is the meaning of 'Pharisee'.

Ravenous wolf prophecy anyone?

Agreed, now go look up Ravenous (H6530) in the Tanakh, and see the interlinking metaphors.

 

[oldbadger]

This article is old, so admittingly there are lots of things that could be improved on

I enjoy many of your posts about Yeshua/Jesus.
I liked most of it, but number 29 is wrong, I think. Jesus loved to eat and drink with his friends, and sometimes might have taken a little more than he could hold. See G-Mark about that?
Since others have questioned the value of the source, have you ever thought of 'marrying' each point with a parrallel from the synoptics?
My suggestion for clarity would be that the real 'Jesus' could be called 'Yeshua' and that Paul's be called 'Christ' since he was 'into' Greek.

Before we start this, lets make one thing clear, John is made up .............

Oh yes...... a concoction, changing the face of Yeshua from 'Son-of-man' into 'Lord' and Christ'.
Casting demons was not good enough for John, and Yeshua's vocation to bring back God's Laws to God's Land was trashed for some new agenda.

and Simon was called a stone (peter) for a reason; so neither can be used to argue this case.
,

Simon? Yeah..... Well hard. Rock-hard!
I notice that at least hald of the disciples had nicknames, all suggesting hardness, ruthlessness and toughness. I therefore believe that they all might have had nicknames. That's just on the side.

Paul has caused so much heartache, for so long.

 

[wizanda]

Thanks for the compliment to begin...

but number 29 is wrong

The point isn't wrong, it is in context of communion, when we check the last supper, Yeshua is telling his disciples not to drink of the vine, and in Matthew 10:42 and Mark 9:41, he says to only drink water if you're his disciple.

So when Paul tells people to drink the sacrificial wine in remembrance of him in communion (1 Corinthians 11:25), this is a defilement of Torah laws, that you should not drink the blood of an offering...

Thus when you come to Revelation 16:6, and it says that the children of the mother of all harlots are given blood to drink, as they're accountable for murdering the prophets, this is due to Paul's instruction.

have you ever thought of 'marrying' each point with a parrallel from the synoptics?

Yes loads, and could have easily done so 12 years ago for everyone; yet don't want lazy people figuring it out to be honest; if people discern the differences and look it up, they become sharpened by the process.

 

[Torah4Yah]

A better translation is Jeh-Sus = Lord of the Beasts....so when revelations says the world follows the 'beast' it all makes sense.

To be 'set apart' is the meaning of 'Pharisee'.

Agreed, now go look up Ravenous (H6530) in the Tanakh, and see the interlinking metaphors.

Isaiah 30:8-9

Isaiah 30:8-9 tell us what will stand as scripture for all time.
Translated from dss Qumran scrolls

 

[MountainPine]

Well, if you want to say Paul was a false prophet, you may as well say that Peter was one too:

[2 Peter 3:14-17] So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Sha’ul [Paul] wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless

This passage applies to Christians who say Paul preached the cessation of the Torah.

The only one that ever called Paul an apostle was Paul. Deuteronomy 2 witness standard, name a witness for Paul, you can't not one. Their are 12 names on the new Jerusalem not 13. There are 12 apostles only will ever be 12. Paul is not one of them.

The Bible lists many additional apostles other than Paul: Barnabas, Timothy, Silvanus, Apollos, and more. The "Twelve Apostles" refers to the original group whom walked with Christ who were representative of the twelve tribes of Israel, but there were more when the Christian (Ebionite) community grew after the time of Christ.

 

[Torah4Yah]

Well, if you want to say Paul was a false prophet, you may as well say that Peter was one too:

[2 Peter 3:14-17] So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Sha’ul [Paul] wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless

This passage applies to Christians who say Paul preached the cessation of the Torah.




The Bible lists many additional apostles other than Paul: Barnabas, Timothy, Silvanus, Apollos, and more. The "Twelve Apostles" refers to the original group whom walked with Christ who were representative of the twelve tribes of Israel, but there were more when the Christian (Ebionite) community grew after the time of Christ.

John 21:17-23
Peter didn't write Peter (Silvanus wrote one of the epistles)
Yahowsha told us Peter wouldn't remain, his (writings) is what he was talking about.

Read romans 7:4
Dead to torah and united in a covenant with a corpse. But the Messiah is the Passover Lamb, and no bone remained until morning. The body was completely consumed, just as every Passover Lamb before it. Who is this dead god Sha'uwl speaks of who has another Covenant?
But Yahowsha came to fulfill Torah as the Passover Lamb. How then did He remain a corpse to rise? No, His soul rose from She'owl (indistinguishable from Sha'uwl - they are interchangeable terms in Hebrew), the grave. Not a physical resurrection. What good does a corpse with a physical body (in a spiritual realm) do when all earthly things must pass away? Why do we get new bodies but the son of God remains a corpse?

The First King of Yisra'el, Sha'uwl, is a prototype for Sha'uwl of Tarsus. Both had demons sent to them. Both were benjamites (Ravenous wolf). Both demonically afflicted .

Pauls demon 2 Corinthians 12:7
A corrective demon. Really? To buffet him. To strike and oppress. Now Satan corrects people so they can find God? Nope.

Sha'uwl was a Pharisee son of a Pharisee, called the sons of Satan by the Messiah. He never repented of hunting down and murdering the elect, instead brags about it.

He opposed Cephas (Peter) to his face. Barnabas, Mark and Luke all turned against Paul in the end. The others all have names of pagan gods. Apollos from Appollo, who Paul said "I and Apollos are one". Paul claimed he is with the church in spirit. What man sets apart his spirit like God sets apart His Spirit? Impossible. Paul says of himself he is set-Apart from the womb, but there are no valid witnesses to this. Yahow'channan the Immerser (John the Baptist) and Yahowsha were set Apart from the womb, and their lives reflected that from the outset. Sha'uwl was a Pharisee from Satan's sons!!

The church in Ephesus rejected Paul and were commended for doing so in revelations. Paul says "All of Asia has rejected me". False Apostles who claim but are not!!!! Paul, the biggest self-promoter, without the required 2 witnesses. Even Yahowsha the Messiah supplied His Witnesses.

Their are requirements to be an apostle.
See the death burial and ascension.
There will only be 12 ever will be 12 (these names will be on the 12 pillars) not 13
Paul by his own mouth doesn't meet this requirement.

One will come in his own name and him you will accept. (Paul) who started his (own) letters I Paul an apostle. Give me one verse where anyone (other than Paul or a personal friend (Luke) that called Paul an apostle). Good luck.

Furthermore Yahowsha said if someone says they seen me in the desert don't go. Pauls Damascus road. If they say they seen me in the inner room Paul's prison story. Paul used the word (histemi).
Who are you going to believe Yahowsha or Paul?