Yet another movie theater shooting.

[freethinker44]

I bet it's yet another schizophrenic gone off the deep end.

That all depends on his race and/or religious affiliation. He might just be a thug or a terrorist.

 

[LuisDantas]

Of course but that's not dramatic enough for the media to talk about.
It's FAR easier for the liberal media to beg even more gun control.
If they talked about vehicle safety no one would listen anyway.

And it is not fair to talk about better gun control because...?

 

[freethinker44]

And it is not fair to talk about better gun control because...?

Because there are kids starving in Africa right now.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Of course but that's not dramatic enough for the media to talk about.
It's FAR easier for the liberal media to beg even more gun control.
If they talked about vehicle safety no one would listen anyway.

Actually, vehicle safety is not only discussed all the time, new laws and regulations are regularly being implemented to make vehicles safer and to attempt to reduce accidents.

 

[dust1n]

Because there are kids starving in Africa right now.

Then we can't really talk about anything until we address the kids starving.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually, vehicle safety is not only discussed all the time, new laws and regulations are regularly being implemented to make vehicles safer and to attempt to reduce accidents.

Indiana just passed new laws that took effect this month.

 

[Revoltingest]

And the NRA (and all firearm industry-backed lobbies) fights, tooth and nail, against any and all hints of regulation of firearms, no matter how sensible or logical they are. The second amendment is their convenient rallying-cry when any gun and ammo sales could be at risk.

You make it about just money from sales, with the 2nd Amendment being merely "convenient".
This is utterly wrong.
We (most members not being in the gun industry) believe in gun rights & the 2nd Amendment.
This is fundamental rather than convenient.
The NRA is first & foremost a civil rights organization.
It also provides services to members.

We are also gaining popular support for some gun rights friendly regulation.
Pew Gun Control Poll Finds Support For NRA Plan - Business Insider
I also recall over many years the NRA ILA supporting certain gun control regs....just perhaps not all they ones you'd want.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So a skizo goes into a Walmart and buys a shotgun and goes out and kills a dozen people.
How do you stop that?
IF a dangerously mentally ill person has been INvoluntarily committed and diagnosed
with, say, schizophrenia, he/she is entered into a national data base and "should" not
be able to LEGALLY purchase even a bee-bee gun.
If NOT diagnosed and not committed that person is totally unknown to the gov't
or general public.
So come up with a workable law to prevent the UNdiagnosed dangerously mentally ill
from LEGALLY buying a firearm?????
I don't have an answer except for ANY person diagnosed as dangerously mentally ill
weather committed to a hospital or not to be REGISTERED and entered into the national
data base so as to be denied a gun purchase.
BUT can't do that. It VIOLATE THEIR RIGHTS AND SCREWS YOURS.
I was a police officer for 22.5 years before being permanently crippled and disabled on
the job.
30+ years ago we had the power to arrest for suspicion of dementia WITH DUE CAUSE.
The afflicted was taken to the E.R. were a doc would confirm our suspicion and we'd transport
the afflicted to a mental hospital for evaluation and treatment.
We SAVED a lot of people from themselves as well as the general population.
Can't do that no more. VIOLATES THEIR RIGHTS YOU SEE AND SCREWS YOURS.
Get it?
Or just blame guns, guns, guns.
I'll tell ya a story. A person driving on a 4 lane freeway crossed the wide grassy medium
strip at high speed for no apparent cause and hit a van and killed himself and all EIGHT van passengers.
It was learned the next day the guy was schizophrenic that went off his meds and
wigged out.
How many times might that same scene play our across our country and NO ONE
would ever know the errant driver was mentally ill?
I shudder to think.
Blame the cars?
Please tell me your workable law to prevent dangerously mentally ill from buying or stealing
a weapon and going on a shooting spree?
I don't know.

How about having to pass a psychological test before purchasing a gun?

 

[SkepticThinker]

The laws aren't so reasonable when government creates gun free zones, thereby advertising to criminals that theaters are for shoot'n fish in a barrel.
The "gun free" requirement never affects perps bent on evil....only the law abide'n gun owners comply.

I don't know. Here in Ontario, as far as I know all movie theatres are gun-free zones and I can't recall the last time anybody ever shot one up.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know. Here in Ontario, as far as I know all movie theatres are gun-free zones and I can't recall the last time anybody ever shot one up.

Isn't the whole country a gun free zone?
(I just said that for fun.)

There are big differences between the 2 countries.
What works up there, doesn't work down here.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

You make it about just money from sales, with the 2nd Amendment being merely "convenient".
This is utterly wrong.
We (most members not being in the gun industry) believe in gun rights & the 2nd Amendment.
This is fundamental rather than convenient.
The NRA is first & foremost a civil rights organization.
It also provides services to members.

I'm speaking of the NRA as a lobbyist organization, not individual due-paying members. I've known many members of the NRA who fully back all manner of logical, common-sense firearm and ammo regulations. Of course, they don't have as much vested interest in blocking the reduction of firearms and ammo sales as the firearm industry does (nor as deep of pockets).

 

[SkepticThinker]

Isn't the whole country a gun free zone?
(I just said that for fun.)

Pretty much.
I've never had any need for a gun (and I've been in some pretty hairy situations).

There are big differences between the 2 countries.
What works up there, doesn't work down here.

There certainly are. I don't really have to worry about being shot to death in a movie theatre.

 

[Marisa]

Of course but that's not dramatic enough for the media to talk about.
It's FAR easier for the liberal media to beg even more gun control.
If they talked about vehicle safety no one would listen anyway.

Pish and tosh. Vehicles are taxed annually, you must have a license to operate one, if you screw up with that 2,000 of rolling death you lose that license, certain medical conditions will not allow you to obtain a license, etc. etc. etc.


I seriously hate the stupid crap that gets pulled out in this conversation. I'm neither for nor against individuals owning most guns. But the crap people pull out (on both sides) makes my eyeballs bleed.

 

[fantome profane]

Isn't the whole country a gun free zone?
(I just said that for fun.)

There are big differences between the 2 countries.
What works up there, doesn't work down here.

Aye, tis a magical land where the laws of physics dunna apply. We Canadians may look like you but we are a completely different species. Our blood is green, and our pee is purple.

 

[suncowiam]

Isn't the whole country a gun free zone?
(I just said that for fun.)

There are big differences between the 2 countries.
What works up there, doesn't work down here.

What works down here doesn't work down here.

To implement real gun free zone is to take away all guns and prevent guns from entering the zone.

Hence, Canada is a real gun free zone, because they've repeatedly busted us Yanks for bring guns into their territory.

Describing any local state or city as a gun free zone because they legislated it as a gun free zone is not a valid point. Legislation needs to be enforced and given that local cities within states have gazillions point of entry without full screening is an invalid point of a gun free zone. The same can be said of neighboring states.

Gun free societies have shown dramatic reduction in gun related crimes and violence. Best examples are Korea and Japan. The numbers are out there and can be easily obtained. Doesn't matter if I present it here which I've done before. Americans will go to their graves with their guns besides them.

 

[Marisa]

Aye, tis a magical land where the laws of physics dunna apply. We Canadians may look like you but we are a completely different species. Our blood is green, and our pee is purple.

You say "eh" a lot too.

 

[Marisa]

The laws aren't so reasonable when government creates gun free zones, thereby advertising to criminals that theaters are for shoot'n fish in a barrel.
The "gun free" requirement never affects perps bent on evil....only the law abide'n gun owners comply.

No, theater are still for watching movies, ballets, symphonies, and a variety of theatrical performances.

 

[Marisa]

One more story.
Last year a man INvoluntarily committed for extreme bi-polar disorder WAS ENTERED
into the national data base. He should not have been able to legally buy a firearm.
The man goes into a gun store, buys a handgun and 100 rounds of ammo and the
F.B.I. ALLOWED the purchase!!!! oooooppppppps
2 days later the man changed his mind, took the gun back and told the clerk he was
nuts and "how in the hell did the gov't allow me to buy this?"
The clerk joyfully took the gun back and gave back the nuts money.
The clerk called the national data base center and tells what happened.
An F.B.I. clerk apologized for the inconvenience.

( Listen I LIVE with a schizophrenic-have great insight into this )

So, because mistakes will be made we should do nothing? This "throw the baby out with the bath water" seems to very popular in today's political climate.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Aye, tis a magical land where the laws of physics dunna apply. We Canadians may look like you but we are a completely different species. Our blood is green, and our pee is purple.

And we all live in igloos.

 

[Marisa]

And we all live in igloos.

I saw them on the AlCan on our way up to Alaska in freaking November. Not the worst possible time to be driving that road, but pretty damn close to it.