Yet another movie theater shooting.

[Neo Deist]

It has nothing to do with hypocrisy, but a hard look at history and the evidence of substance prohibition, which has never worked to eliminate the substance from society, has funded and supported crime, and it appears that it may actually increases use given the trend of decreased use of drugs of Portugal and the decreased use of pot in states that have legalized, as well as the Mexican drug cartels loosing interest in pot due to plummeting prices and turning to opium, which comes at a time when there are ongoing increases in cracking down on prescription abuse.

You missed the point.

Mike: Guns should be banned. I don't like them. They kill people.
Tom: Do you smoke cigarettes?
Mike: Yes. Why?
Tom: Tobacco kills 15x more people each year than guns do.
Mike: Yeah but...I like smoking.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You missed the point.

Mike: Guns should be banned. I don't like them. They kill people.
Tom: Do you smoke cigarettes?
Mike: Yes. Why?
Tom: Tobacco kills 15x more people each year than guns do.
Mike: Yeah but...I like smoking.

Except we aren't discussing tobacco, a substance that has been regulated to help ward off the dangers experienced by non-smokers.
We are discussing guns, objects that many are unwilling to have any regulations put on, even though the greatest danger with them comes from people who obviously should not have them but are allowed to get them anyways, and then they latter go out and make headline news for shooting people in a public place. There are also many accidental deaths because people are not properly trained on gun function, use, and safety before being allowed to acquire one.

 

[Revoltingest]

The ultimate danger.....
An angry dame with a pimp stick & a gun!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I disagree with this adjustment too.

You're certainly free to disagree. However, can you highlight one example of a reasonable, sensible firearm/ammo regulation that the NRA has either supported or, at least, not supposed. Please be specific.

 

[columbus]

In short, people pick and choose and tend to be hypocrites.

This sounds more like you than anyone else in this thread.
Cigarettes are heavily taxed and regulated. Most of the cost of a pack is tax and I am not allowed to smoke one in my own personal office.
My brotherinlaw left 10 guns laying around an unlocked house barely secured from the kids. No legal responsibility at all.
Cigarettes are seriously regulated and guns aren't even kept from drug dealers and psychotic terrorists.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

You're certainly free to disagree. However, can you highlight one example of a reasonable, sensible firearm/ammo regulation that the NRA has either supported or, at least, not supposed. Please be specific.

The National Firearms Act
The 1968 Gun Control Act
The 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The National Firearms Act
The 1968 Gun Control Act
The 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act

That's the best you can do? Three bills spanning 81 years, the first of which occurred in 1934 before the NRA even had an effective lobbying arm, and the last being a piece of legislation which was bastardized by the gun lobby arguably to the point of uselessness?

Do you, personally, think that there are actually reasonable, rational firearm and ammo regulations that should, or could, be put forth, or is it a purely a black-and-white ideological issue for you?

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the best you can do? Three bills spanning 81 years, the first of which occurred in 1934 before the NRA even had an effective lobbying arm, and the last being a piece of legislation which was bastardized by the gun lobby arguably to the point of uselessness?

Do you, personally, think that there are actually reasonable, rational firearm and ammo regulations that should, or could, be put forth, or is it a purely a black-and-white ideological issue for you?

Geeze....you ask....I deliver....& all I get is....

Hey, you're really tall for a complainer!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Geeze....you ask....I deliver....& all I get is....

Well, what you supplied was rather wanting in terms of illustrating that the NRA is actually for firearm and ammo regulations which are rational and sensible. Regardless, I am interested in knowing whether you think that such a thing exists, or whether you are against any and all regulation of firearms and/or ammunition.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, what you supplied was rather wanting in terms of illustrating that the NRA is actually for firearm and ammo regulations which are rational and sensible. Regardless, I am interested in knowing whether you think that such a thing exists, or whether you are against any and all regulation of firearms and/or ammunition.

I gave you 3 specific examples.of regulation officially supported.
The NRA still expresses support for these specific pieces.

I've made a lot of posts about regulation I propose.
Have you missed them all?
Some.....
- More training, especially for concealed carry.
- Secure storage standards.

If you complain about this post too, I'm going to post a picture of a sad puppy.
You will have made it sad!

 

[Poisonshady313]

Asked because I have found that if someone is interested in something or does something, they do not want it banned, made illegal, etc. If they don't care about item X, they will typically support a ban, regulation, etc. In short, people pick and choose and tend to be hypocrites.

I don't own a gun, nor am I terribly interested or enthusiastic about guns. But I don't support a ban, nor do I believe that many of the recommended regulations are useful or intelligent.

Smoking... I am not now, nor have I ever been a smoker. I have lost loved ones due to smoking, and on occasion I have even helped a few smokers to become non-smokers. But I don't support a ban on that either.

I guess that makes me an exception to your rule.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I gave you 3 specific examples.of regulation officially supported.
The NRA still expresses support for these specific pieces.

Yes, I saw the three examples you provided, and provided a response as to why they are poor at displaying the notion that the NRA has a history of supporting reasonable firearm/ammo regulations.

I've made a lot of posts about regulation I propose.
Have you missed them all?
Some.....
- More training, especially for concealed carry.
- Secure storage standards.

Those would be a couple of good steps towards rational firearm regulations. Are you of the opinion that the NRA would back legislation of these regulations? If so, what evidence do you have which would support this view?

If you complain about this post too, I'm going to post a picture of a sad puppy.
You will have made it sad!

I apologize if your feelings got hurt. However, I haven't complained about any of your posts. I think you may be confusing reasoned opposition for some kind of personal attack. I find that this often happens to people who hold strong ideological positions.

 

[Revoltingest]

I apologize if your feelings got hurt. However, I haven't complained about any of your posts. I think you may be confusing reasoned opposition for some kind of personal attack. I find that this often happens to people who hold strong ideological positions.

Get'n all frisky & sarcastic, eh?
Well you asked for it...

You should be ashamed!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Get'n all frisky & sarcastic, eh?
Well you asked for it...

If only your penchant for deflection of discussion was as adorable.

 

[Revoltingest]

If only your penchant for deflection of discussion was as adorable.

Actually, your asking for & then ignoring examples just doesn't inspire me to converse.
Where's the sport if I'm met with automatic gainsaying?
No....conversation should have more acknowledgement.
So you made a puppy sad.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Actually, your asking for & then ignoring examples just doesn't inspire me to converse.
Where's the sport if I'm met with automatic gainsaying?
No....conversation should have more acknowledgement.
So you made a puppy sad.

I acknowledged that your examples amounted to a poor refutation of the claim that the NRA is against reasonable and rational firearm/ammo regulation, and, these days, amounts to little more than an arm of the firearm industry which is used to prevent loss of sales. You stated your disagreement with my stated position, but have supplied little evidence which supports your disagreement. If you're actually interested in a discussion, that's cool, if every one of your posts amounts to nothing more than a deflection or complaint of hurt feelings, I really don't know what else to add.

 

[Revoltingest]

I acknowledged that your examples amounted to a poor refutation of the claim that the NRA is against reasonable and rational firearm/ammo regulation, and, these days, amounts to little more than an arm of the firearm industry which is used to prevent loss of sales. You stated your disagreement with my stated position, but have supplied little evidence which supports your disagreement. If you're actually interested in a discussion, that's cool, if every one of your posts amounts to nothing more than a deflection or complaint of hurt feelings, I really don't know what else to add.

You asked for a single piece of evidence, & I generously gave you 3 appropriate examples.
All you gave me is......well.....you haven't given me anything but complaints yet.
No doubt your conspiracy theory about the evil gun industry is as evidenced as
other conspiracies, eg, faked moon landings, chemtrails, truthers, birthers.

I do appreciate your concern about my feelings though.

 

[Neo Deist]

Except we aren't discussing tobacco...

You keep saying that as if that matters. I point out a much bigger killer (BTW, 2nd hand smoke kills more people than guns) and you keep trying to steer clear of the subject.

Done with you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You keep saying that as if that matters. I point out a much bigger killer (BTW, 2nd hand smoke kills more people than guns) and you keep trying to steer clear of the subject.

Done with you.

It does matter because we aren't discussing tobacco. By bringing it up, you are the one steering clear of the subject of gun control, which is something America sorely and desperately needs.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

You asked for a single piece of evidence, & I generously gave you 3 appropriate examples.
All you gave me is......well.....you haven't given me anything but complaints yet.
No doubt your conspiracy theory about the evil gun industry is as evidenced as
other conspiracies, eg, faked moon landings, chemtrails, truthers, birthers.

I do appreciate your concern about my feelings though.

Ah, the blindness of the ideologue. I'll try to be more sensitive of your feelings in the future. I apologize.