Yet another school with racism problems

[Revoltingest]

No, it's not. It's talking about opinions. Really, who cares that you posted a link from the WSJ that agrees with you. Good for you. Really, move on. It's gone far off topic now.

If you're not going to comprehend what I'm saying just move on with it.

You know how to find people who agree with you on the internet. Wow, amazing. Welcome to 2015.

We're all here to offer opinions.
Sometimes our own, & sometimes of others.

 

[LittlePinky82]

We're all here to offer opinions.
Sometimes our own, & sometimes of others.

And I already said that. You really should go back and re-read my posts.

You're arguing to just argue. I'm out unless the thread gets back to the actual discussion.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I already said that. You really should go back and re-read my posts. That's all you're doing.

Now, do you have anything else to say about the actual topic of the thread or are you just going to sit here to argue to just argue?

If you're just going to say the same thing over and over still I'm not responding anymore. I will if you're going to move on. I have better things to do than sit here and argue to just argue.

I'm not offering an argument about anything at the moment.
We're discussing your apparent challenge (which I don't understand) of the article I linked.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I'm not offering an argument about anything at the moment.
We're discussing your apparent challenge (which I don't understand) of the article I linked.

What challenge? You posted an opinion piece. Just another opinion on the internet. That's all im saying. Nothing more and nothing less. That's all it is. If you still don't get it im sorry I can't help you any more than that.

 

[Revoltingest]

What challenge? You posted an opinion piece. Just another opinion on the internet. That's all im saying. Nothing more and nothing less. That's all it is. If you still don't get it im sorry I can't help you any more than that.

I'm often beyond help.
At least this is settled now.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I'm often beyond help.
At least this is settled now.

Sometimes we all are. Sometimes things go whoosh over my head too. Have a lollipop.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes, it does seem to be a US thing with the history of the word and all. Of course rap music is now international so it gets heard in that from people. I've seen Korean idols like rap music and say the word when they rap (oh no no no) a cover of a song and it's like WW3 goes off on them. They don't know the history of it either and aren't taught it in school. Of course now days there's the internet.... But they still don't know why it's bad. There's been this one guy who is very talented but has used it a few times and people have tried to calmly explain it to him. He seemed to get it and stopped using it for a while but went back and used it again. Then he got himself into trouble with black Kpop fans for wearing clothing that was made out of the Confederate flag. It was something Kanye West wore in jest and like a middle finger to people. But this guy not getting US history didn't know that and thought it was stylish.

Well we were taught it somewhat. But no one really says it anymore unless they're quoting a song. But yeah it's a little difficult to understand when you're from another country.

Yes, even I find myself getting a little worried going out. But then I remember I'm more likely to not be bothered by police being the high squeaky voice, petite white woman with blonde hair and hazel eyes that I am. Plus, I'm 33 but I look 19-24 lol. And "in real life" I'm mostly quiet. But yeah there's lots of stories like that going around. It's not just black men but black men get it the harshest it seems like and the most. Instagram is IG heh.

Ehh, I wouldn't rest on your laurels mate. If you're unfortunate enough to encounter a ******* copper, it doesn't matter if you'e purple, he/she might still hassle you.
And you might hear about it more often, that doesn't necessarily mean it happens more often. Like we hear about all the bad things happening far more often than 50 years ago. But we're currently in the safest time ever (which should tell you something about our collective history.) White guys are probably harassed just as much on average. But news outlets will sensationalize the stories and pick ones for their own agenda. Bam. Race baiting 101. As a first (and technically second) gen immigrant I can tell you unequivocally that the news is often far more responsible for inciting racial tension than even the KKK and the Black Panthers put together.
(Although have you ever noticed that the WBC brings people together in their hatred?)

But that is the definition of racism. It's oppression. As long as you have power you can't be oppressed. You can be beat down on and you can have prejudice and all that but you can't be oppressed as long as you have power that someone else doesn't have. Does that make sense?

But that's not based on race. Not really. Not even today. I mean it may very well be a factor in many facets of life. But oppression and power? That's based on money. And how do we distinguish this? By class of course. White working class men can be very easily oppressed by virtue of being working class. The rich, no matter if they're black, white, brown, multicolored (it's a thing) albino whatever can oppress the hell out of the lower classes if they want. And if our collective labor relations are anything to go by, they do so on a daily basis.
Did you know statistically speaking it's white men who are more likely to be homeless? Tell me how they're oppressive?
And who exactly is oppressing Obama? Last time I checked the leader of the free world was a black man. Does that mean racism is dead? No of course not. But it's a bit rich to cry oppression of all black people when the most powerful man in office is black. And was elected by the people.
Your oppressive definition of racism is too black and white (no pun intended.) There's all sorts of variables not taken into consideration. And it doesn't add up. A black man with loads of money has power. It doesn't matter if he lives in New York or Saudi Arabia. He still has the ability to oppress people. By your definition that makes him racist by default. I don't see a lot of leeway for nuance in this brand new definition of racism, I really don't.
Which again, might make it okay in an academic setting viewing very very specific circumstances through a specific lens. Just doesn't do a whole lot in the real world, as it were.

This is for University though. Counselors on University are there. My school had them. I never used them or anything but they were available on campus if you did. They had their own office and you could talk privately to someone. But we're not talking about the same thing with attachment. You're talking about people getting emotionally invested. These students are talking about someone who can relate and who understands because they are from the same background in regards to their race. As I said, I as a white woman and not mixed race or anything couldn't possibly understand the struggles someone goes through who is non-white in the US. I can empathize and be education as much as I can but I can't understand it because I haven't experienced it and I never will. So no, these students aren't talking about that. They're talking about having more diversity in the counseling staff to have people who can relate.

I never said they shouldn't have the option. It's just weird for me to think that these kids can't relate to a person based solely on their race and experiences. I mean how did they pass English class? You have to relate to all sorts of people entirely different from you like multiple times!!!
Like how can you not relate to another human being? Especially when we're talking about being ostracized. Everyone is bullied at some point in life. For their race, sexuality, for being different, for being non traditional in their gender roles etc etc etc. How hard is it to empathize and relate to being bullied? Because that's what racist actions are, essentially. Being bullied.
I mean I'm not a middle aged white man lusting over a 12 year old (ew too the max!!!!) but I can still relate to the plight of Humbert Humbert. Well at least at the start of the book. His actions make it very hard to empathize much less relate to him the further into the story you go. Regardless I could still relate to him at first, despite my utter disgust. Maybe I'm just more abstractly minded? I don't know man. This is weird for me to grasp fully.
(By the way, who the hell names their kid Humbert anyway?!?!)

Besides, it's far more easy to emotionally invest as a person when you have a situation where the faculty can very directly and intimately relate to their charges/clients. And you're telling me emotional investment isn't a concern here? Really???

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I read you said your mother was disabled too. My bad.

Eh, no sweat.

I think it would be a great idea to have group "therapy" so to speak. Maybe that can be something they can do as well with a counselor. But sometimes you want one-on-one counseling because of private issues or you just don't feel comfortable airing out your issues to other people you don't really know that well. I don't know how well these students know each other. I don't think it's fair to say what someone dead would think about something going on in the 21st century when they're not here to defend themselves. I always find that really rude. And MLK Jr had meetings in his church and people got together and talked to each other about their grievances at the time. 2015 isn't the same as when he was alive.

Maybe.
Well no one would know a professional councellor or what have you on school grounds. Nor should they. Professional boundaries and all that. So you'd have to get over your initial hang ups of talking about private matters with a stranger regardless.

Ehh, we can certainly extrapolate. Or at least speculate. You're right, he lived in a different time. MLK jr and his compadres were facing actual legal discrimination. Not just being hassled a bit. But honest to god they most likely lived in fear of their lives every single day. Sort of puts things into perspective a little. They certainly had a lot more to worry about. Like being bombed or dragged behind the car of a KKK member. Or have a burning cross on their lawn. Or you know, needing the honest to god security just to go to school. Never mind being allowed to voice their grievances with the school. I think while he would sympathize with many of their concerns, and be happy with the progress. Even encourage the kids to never stop fighting. But some of these issues, I don't know, I still think he'd view them in the same way we do "first world problems."
Would you air these concerns if you ever got a chance to meet the man? I certainly wouldn't. Too embarrassing.

Yes, I had the same issue. I wasn't sure what it was saying at first but then I figured it out and just split the post.

I'm glad it's been fun for you too.

Haha damned limit.

 

[SomeRandom]

Well, I've mostly had stuff said to me online over the years. Sometimes I insult the person back, if I feel like it, or I just block them. It's easier to have a "safe space" on the internet than it is in real life. In real life there's just going to be people who don't like you. And that's okay. Sometimes people just don't. And sometimes you don't click etc. I used to be the type of person who had to have everyone like me. If someone didn't like me for some reason (politics, religion, whatever) I felt bad about it and tried to be a people pleaser. Eventually, it gets very draining trying to please everybody. And that's when I realized it and that sometimes you just gotta brush off your shoulders and get going. I just always try to be nice to people but I understand that people don't have to like me. Once I realized that it really took a load off my shoulders and I became more relaxed and even more open to people. If I got the impression someone didn't like me for some reason I was more careful around the person to a point but I didn't treat them any different because they didn't like me.

Well I got dragged into all sorts of inane online **** over the past year. Being involved on Youtube and Gaming. So it's not exactly been a casual stroll in the park.
The most recent incident is this utterly disgusting debacle involving Dr Mason, aka Thunderf00t being harassed, bullied, demeaned and threatened by the SJW crowd on YouTube. Granted I think he's no angel in this. And I find his criticism of Anita lacks depth, probably owing to the fact that he's better at science and calling out religious bigotry/stupidity than critiquing art. And I certainly am no Anita Sarkeesian fan. But the ****storm that followed was uncalled for, just some truly sickening displays of cruelty on the part of these Anita defenders (who did this of their own violation as far as I'm aware. So I'm not blaming Feminist Frequency or whatever.)
Don't get me wrong, I can let all the insults, harassment and bullying I have gotten online slide off my back easy enough (work in retail remember? You need to be able to do that.) But my recent experiences have still made me rather wary of anything to do with identity politics or SJWs or 3rd wave feminism.
I mean doxxing alone is enough to make a person a little jumpy, you know?

Comedians aren't stifled. They're not invited. The only people really complaining are older comedians whose comedy is out dated and just not funny anymore because times are changing. People have gay friends. People have friends of all backgrounds. People have friends with different religions than just Christianity. So, people who do these type of offensive jokes aren't going to get laughs out of a lot of youth these days. People also are more understanding of sexist and racist jokes and don't find them funny anymore. Some people still do but a lot of people don't. Colleges don't owe you an invite. If they don't want you on their campus that's their right.

Not being invited IS being stifled. And comedy is supposed to be confrontational and shocking. It's boring otherwise. And it's how we deal with all the awful things in life. If you don't want to hear something "offensive" easy, don't go to a comedian who does that sort of material. But you don't then get to bar them (with the exception of Primary/High schools and work related venues with specific decorum rules) from venues and disallow other people from making that choice. It's a two way street mate.

Why do you expect a liberal arts college to invite someone like Ann Coulter to speak? Don't students have the right to protest when they don't want someone on their campus and associated with their campus? What about their free speech?

That idiot blonde lady from Fox? Sure. Absolutely. Unless her speech literally breaks the law (like inciting violence or falls under hate speech. I've never seen that from her. Colossally stupid or ignorant remarks, yeah. Those aren't illegal, though.) You don't go to ****ing college to have your worldview strengthened, or to be coddled you go to grow the hell up and learn. Part of eliciting growth is to challenge. You need to have debates with all sorts of different worldviews, because that's what you need to be able to cope with in the real world. Different points of view. Only children and maybe young teenagers are expected to be unable to handle discussing highly controversial subjects. College students, last time I checked, are young adults. Maybe they could try acting like adults and calmly discuss/debate the matter, instead of pitching a tantrum like a spoilt toddler when someone they don't like comes to do a talk. Just a thought.

And again, it's a bit rich to cry for the poor college student's rights to free speech when they hound the school to deny other's free speech. By all means, protest. Your right to protest does not, however, cover being able to get that speaker removed or uninvited. If you want to be protected from the big bad controversial subjects like a child, then protest or just not attend the talk. As simple as that. But you don't get to deny others that choice by removing the speaker and then whine that it's your right to free speech. You just hypocritically denied a person their free speech. You just decided that your right not be offended (which is not a right, it's a courtesy) outweighs the right of another student to make their own decisions in life. Your rights are not more important than another person's.

This is why people are rolling their eyes at college kids lately. They want to cuddled and protected like babies instead of growing the hell up and acting like adults. Good god, I know grade 8 teachers who would eat these bunch of sooks alive. ("Sook" is a slang term meaning sissy, weakling or crybaby.) Christ, when High School teachers can look at a bunch of 20 somethings and tell them that their antics are so childish that they wouldn't even tolerate them coming from 12/13 year old children, then something is terribly wrong here.
(Please note that I'm sure not all the protesters try to get speakers uninvited. As I am sure many college aged students are mature. I'm speaking specifically of the bad apples, who make them all look bad.)

And these people do so for their own reasons. Honestly none of my concern. I'm not a college student anymore so it's really not my battle. I just recently graduated from college so I understand.

I'm currently looking to actually go back to uni and actually do something productive in life. Alas, my own indolence has held me back thus far.
But its sort of one foot in each side of this equation. On the one hand I want to do Journalism with English Lit. So I'm afraid the more...........erm artsy people are more involved in this whole debacle. On the other hand, I sort of want to finish my course in Network Engineering and those types of students, from what I've seen outright ignore this kind of stuff completely as "inane."
So.... I guess I'm slightly more invested. Or at least will be next year.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Well we were taught it somewhat. But no one really says it anymore unless they're quoting a song. But yeah it's a little difficult to understand when you're from another country.



Ehh, I wouldn't rest on your laurels mate. If you're unfortunate enough to encounter a ******* copper, it doesn't matter if you'e purple, he/she might still hassle you.
And you might hear about it more often, that doesn't necessarily mean it happens more often. Like we hear about all the bad things happening far more often than 50 years ago. But we're currently in the safest time ever (which should tell you something about our collective history.) White guys are probably harassed just as much on average. But news outlets will sensationalize the stories and pick ones for their own agenda. Bam. Race baiting 101. As a first (and technically second) gen immigrant I can tell you unequivocally that the news is often far more responsible for inciting racial tension than even the KKK and the Black Panthers put together.
(Although have you ever noticed that the WBC brings people together in their hatred?)

Yeah it is hard when you're in another country and you have your own country's history to worry about. I don't know about University level. I just have always understood, in Korea anyways, they don't have US history in high school. Their US history, if anything, maybe the US involvement with the Korean war.

I live in a pretty safe area of town. The suburbs and I'm around a lot of the main shopping and all that. Even when I've been downtown at night there's always lots of people around and I generally don't go down there anyways. I would end up lost before I'd have an encounter with a cop downtown.

No, not with white guys. We'd be hearing about it with social media and blogs and right wing radio here in the US is everywhere. We also have religious radio and they all talk about politics and these things. I live in the south so you can't escape the talk. It's easy to tune in and hear what they're saying. I also suggest the website rightwingwatch.org They keep an eye on right wing talk in the media as well.

The Black Panthers aren't anybody anymore and neither is the KKK. The KKK still has presence here and the BP really don't. Not even the NBP. Nobody takes the KKK seriously. They've tried to do the "adopt a highway" program as "outreach" and judges will just rename it. There was an incident, I think even in Missouri I'm not 100%, and a KKK group wanted a highway but it was renamed the Rosa Parks highway. That was pretty good.

WBC? I don't know if I'm familiar with that??

But that's not based on race. Not really. Not even today. I mean it may very well be a factor in many facets of life. But oppression and power? That's based on money. And how do we distinguish this? By class of course. White working class men can be very easily oppressed by virtue of being working class. The rich, no matter if they're black, white, brown, multicolored (it's a thing) albino whatever can oppress the hell out of the lower classes if they want. And if our collective labor relations are anything to go by, they do so on a daily basis.
Did you know statistically speaking it's white men who are more likely to be homeless? Tell me how they're oppressive?
And who exactly is oppressing Obama? Last time I checked the leader of the free world was a black man. Does that mean racism is dead? No of course not. But it's a bit rich to cry oppression of all black people when the most powerful man in office is black. And was elected by the people.
Your oppressive definition of racism is too black and white (no pun intended.) There's all sorts of variables not taken into consideration. And it doesn't add up. A black man with loads of money has power. It doesn't matter if he lives in New York or Saudi Arabia. He still has the ability to oppress people. By your definition that makes him racist by default. I don't see a lot of leeway for nuance in this brand new definition of racism, I really don't.
Which again, might make it okay in an academic setting viewing very very specific circumstances through a specific lens. Just doesn't do a whole lot in the real world, as it were.

Class and race are different. Even if you're a rich black guy if he's driving around a nice Benz or some other fancy car he's going to have the police suspicious of him. There are stories out there about that. No matter what you do if you're non-white you have this expectations put on you by the white population that you can't ever win. There's always going to be something that will keep you down. That's why there's still struggle today with prejudice, stereotypes, and just out right racism. White people will never fully understand the oppression. We just never won't. Not saying that's bad or good or anything. Just saying it's something that's only understandable by people who don't have power.

If you're a white man and you're homeless are you more likely to be left alone than a black man who is homeless? Or a latino man who is homeless? If you're walking down the road and it's obvious you're homeless will you be left alone by the cops if you're white? Or will you be a suspect? What is the confirmation bias towards someone when you see them and their skin color?

Are you familiar with what happened to James Blake? Here you have a rich and famous tennis star. See this video-

Of course after the police realized who he was they were apologetic. But when they had no clue who he was look at how they treated him. Money didn't mean anything in that moment. In that moment he was just another black man standing on a side walk in NYC.

I never said they shouldn't have the option. It's just weird for me to think that these kids can't relate to a person based solely on their race and experiences. I mean how did they pass English class? You have to relate to all sorts of people entirely different from you like multiple times!!!
Like how can you not relate to another human being? Especially when we're talking about being ostracized. Everyone is bullied at some point in life. For their race, sexuality, for being different, for being non traditional in their gender roles etc etc etc. How hard is it to empathize and relate to being bullied? Because that's what racist actions are, essentially. Being bullied.
I mean I'm not a middle aged white man lusting over a 12 year old (ew too the max!!!!) but I can still relate to the plight of Humbert Humbert. Well at least at the start of the book. His actions make it very hard to empathize much less relate to him the further into the story you go. Regardless I could still relate to him at first, despite my utter disgust. Maybe I'm just more abstractly minded? I don't know man. This is weird for me to grasp fully.
(By the way, who the hell names their kid Humbert anyway?!?!)

Besides, it's far more easy to emotionally invest as a person when you have a situation where the faculty can very directly and intimately relate to their charges/clients. And you're telling me emotional investment isn't a concern here? Really???

But that's what these students are asking for and for more diversity in faculty. The president has no issues and even said the school already had plans for it.

Eh, no sweat.

Maybe.
Well no one would know a professional councellor or what have you on school grounds. Nor should they. Professional boundaries and all that. So you'd have to get over your initial hang ups of talking about private matters with a stranger regardless.

Ehh, we can certainly extrapolate. Or at least speculate. You're right, he lived in a different time. MLK jr and his compadres were facing actual legal discrimination. Not just being hassled a bit. But honest to god they most likely lived in fear of their lives every single day. Sort of puts things into perspective a little. They certainly had a lot more to worry about. Like being bombed or dragged behind the car of a KKK member. Or have a burning cross on their lawn. Or you know, needing the honest to god security just to go to school. Never mind being allowed to voice their grievances with the school. I think while he would sympathize with many of their concerns, and be happy with the progress. Even encourage the kids to never stop fighting. But some of these issues, I don't know, I still think he'd view them in the same way we do "first world problems."
Would you air these concerns if you ever got a chance to meet the man? I certainly wouldn't. Too embarrassing.



Haha damned limit.

Oh I'm talking about with talking to the other students. It's different talking to a counselor. You're expected they are trained in how to deal with strangers. But students might not want to air their issues to each other. That's what I was saying. You expect privacy with a counselor.

Well, the students are Missouri are living in fear as well with death threats now. Two white guys have been arrested (one had no ties to the school even at least) for having guns on campus and making threats. There was someone else who was saying they were going to go out and just shoot any black person they see because they don't mean anything. It's really sad. And with MLK Jr I highly recommend his letters for prison if people really want to understand him. Often we think of him as the man with the "I have a dream" speech but he was more than just that.

Oh sure. I would be honored to get to sit and talk to him about issues we as a country are facing today. Education, poverty, police brutality, war and issues with the military targeting non-white youth to join, health care, women rights and labor issues. I think I'd love to talk to him and Malcolm X. I have more of emotional tie to brother Malcolm though personally since we share an ideology (I'm a Communist too).

 

[LittlePinky82]

Well I got dragged into all sorts of inane online **** over the past year. Being involved on Youtube and Gaming. So it's not exactly been a casual stroll in the park.
The most recent incident is this utterly disgusting debacle involving Dr Mason, aka Thunderf00t being harassed, bullied, demeaned and threatened by the SJW crowd on YouTube. Granted I think he's no angel in this. And I find his criticism of Anita lacks depth, probably owing to the fact that he's better at science and calling out religious bigotry/stupidity than critiquing art. And I certainly am no Anita Sarkeesian fan. But the ****storm that followed was uncalled for, just some truly sickening displays of cruelty on the part of these Anita defenders (who did this of their own violation as far as I'm aware. So I'm not blaming Feminist Frequency or whatever.)
Don't get me wrong, I can let all the insults, harassment and bullying I have gotten online slide off my back easy enough (work in retail remember? You need to be able to do that.) But my recent experiences have still made me rather wary of anything to do with identity politics or SJWs or 3rd wave feminism.
I mean doxxing alone is enough to make a person a little jumpy, you know?

Ah gaming. I understand some of what that whole thing is. I saw some of it first hand with Jimmy Kimmel lol. He's a comedian here and tried to talk about the issue and he basically insulted gamers and they really went after him. It was nasty and brutal. Even saying things like killing him and his family and ****. Like wow.

I understand. It can get nasty out there. I've been called names online but thankfully I'm really a nobody so people don't bother me. Doxxing? I'm not sure if I'm familiar with that lol.

Not being invited IS being stifled. And comedy is supposed to be confrontational and shocking. It's boring otherwise. And it's how we deal with all the awful things in life. If you don't want to hear something "offensive" easy, don't go to a comedian who does that sort of material. But you don't then get to bar them (with the exception of Primary/High schools and work related venues with specific decorum rules) from venues and disallow other people from making that choice. It's a two way street mate.



That idiot blonde lady from Fox? Sure. Absolutely. Unless her speech literally breaks the law (like inciting violence or falls under hate speech. I've never seen that from her. Colossally stupid or ignorant remarks, yeah. Those aren't illegal, though.) You don't go to ****ing college to have your worldview strengthened, or to be coddled you go to grow the hell up and learn. Part of eliciting growth is to challenge. You need to have debates with all sorts of different worldviews, because that's what you need to be able to cope with in the real world. Different points of view. Only children and maybe young teenagers are expected to be unable to handle discussing highly controversial subjects. College students, last time I checked, are young adults. Maybe they could try acting like adults and calmly discuss/debate the matter, instead of pitching a tantrum like a spoilt toddler when someone they don't like comes to do a talk. Just a thought.

But nobody owes you an invite. If a school doesn't want to invite you that's their right too. Ann Coulter was going somewhere not long ago (sorry forgot where) and the students protested her being there. She's very hateful and nasty and says the most outrageous things. She's a very blonde skinny woman. She's not a host on fox or anything but she does go on there. I don't watch Fox to know how often she does now. But she's also good friends with Bill Maher.

Oh Ann Coulter has said some really hateful things out there. Especially about immigrants and refugee's lately. Go on her twitter. I don't want to link her and give her a view. So you'll have to find her. But she's really nuts.

Here in the US protesting on campuses are a history here. It's been around a long time and it's not going to go anywhere. It's part of free speech to protest.

Here is Ann Coulter. She is calling John Edwards the f word. He was a presidential candidate in 2004 and was the vp nominee with John Kerry-

 

[LittlePinky82]

And again, it's a bit rich to cry for the poor college student's rights to free speech when they hound the school to deny other's free speech. By all means, protest. Your right to protest does not, however, cover being able to get that speaker removed or uninvited. If you want to be protected from the big bad controversial subjects like a child, then protest or just not attend the talk. As simple as that. But you don't get to deny others that choice by removing the speaker and then whine that it's your right to free speech. You just hypocritically denied a person their free speech. You just decided that your right not be offended (which is not a right, it's a courtesy) outweighs the right of another student to make their own decisions in life. Your rights are not more important than another person's.

This is why people are rolling their eyes at college kids lately. They want to cuddled and protected like babies instead of growing the hell up and acting like adults. Good god, I know grade 8 teachers who would eat these bunch of sooks alive. ("Sook" is a slang term meaning sissy, weakling or crybaby.) Christ, when High School teachers can look at a bunch of 20 somethings and tell them that their antics are so childish that they wouldn't even tolerate them coming from 12/13 year old children, then something is terribly wrong here.
(Please note that I'm sure not all the protesters try to get speakers uninvited. As I am sure many college aged students are mature. I'm speaking specifically of the bad apples, who make them all look bad.)

But you still aren't owed an invite. If one school wants to invite you that's their deal. If another school has no interest in you that's their deal. Nobody is owed it. Your free speech isn't going anywhere. You can stand on the street corner and do your bit and talk and nobody will bother you. But if a school doesn't want you to speak there that's their right. Why do you want to force schools to invite people they have no interest in? And especially when it's people who are very hateful and bigoted.

Things are changing here in the US. The youth is changing. Now days people have friends who are openly gay or bi or even transgendered. People have friends from different religions. People have friends who are immigrants from different places. The only comedians crying about it are old. And their jokes are out dated. As a famous comedian here, Sarah Silverman, said you either get with the times or you *****. People don't find sexist jokes funny anymore and violent jokes against women. Humor is changing. You can still be a dick all day long but people will either protest your speech or they just don't want anything to do with you. They have emotional ties to the type of comedy that people are doing and it's hurtful and wrong to do.

University's have the freedom to invite and set the environment of their school's. That's how it's always been here. And I doubt it's going to change anytime soon.

We have a network here called CSPAN that airs Senate and Congress sessions and there's a third channel for CSPAN that has authors on. They sometimes go to University's and you have people on both sides of the isle going there and talking about their books and current and/or past works. It's called Book TV and you can go to cspan.org and see it on there and find when people go to University's and do talks. If it's not at a University it might be at a book store in a town where the person is.

People aren't asked to be coddled. They're asked to be treated with the dignity and respect they deserve. They don't tolerate hate speech from anyone. Of course if you live here in the south it's going to be reverse. You're going to have all the hate speech you want especially in the Churches. But if you're in the more north or midwest or west side of the country it's very different than down here. Down here the hate speech is the norm. You can go into book stores and see all these right wing authors and politicians with books out and it's all filled with hate. Hating gay people. Hating immigrants. Hating black people. Hating anyone not white. Hating the poor. Hating unions and workers. Wanting more guns. Wanting war. Throw in some Obama is the anti-Christ and really a secret Muslim who does secret hand shakes and you're golden!

I'm currently looking to actually go back to uni and actually do something productive in life. Alas, my own indolence has held me back thus far.
But its sort of one foot in each side of this equation. On the one hand I want to do Journalism with English Lit. So I'm afraid the more...........erm artsy people are more involved in this whole debacle. On the other hand, I sort of want to finish my course in Network Engineering and those types of students, from what I've seen outright ignore this kind of stuff completely as "inane."
So.... I guess I'm slightly more invested. Or at least will be next year.

Well good luck with University. I did criminal justice and the paralegal field. We had great talks about things and people were on different sides of the issue(s) but it wasn't WW3. I didn't really participate myself but mostly in "real life" I'm more quiet and always have been so. I mostly write out my thoughts if it's with a paper or essay or something like that. I had a political class that was really great and enjoyable but that was way before anything like this began lol. It was a couple of years ago. I went to a CC school and all the professors were great and had great discussions and everyone got to speak and be "safe" in their opinions. Lol in the political science class there was this one libertarian guy bless his heart. He was really passionate about things and always had to over take the argument and people just got annoyed with him. Not really at what they were saying but he didn't let others speak and he was really arrogant too and always thought he was the only one right. I felt bad for this one guy who was more soft spoken who tried to get in but the libertarian guy would speak up and be degrading to him. Oh, libertarians.

And do you know how many college kids there are in the US? My CC school alone had like 23,000 something. You're only hearing a few stories here and there that the media wants to talk about for their own ratings purposes. I've never heard of any issues in my region of the country and I try to pay attention to the news.

Sorry had to split again.

On edit a correction. The guy who was wanting to kill black people was Howard University. Ah there's been a few school stuff lately I got them confused. Sorry for that!

 

[SomeRandom]

Yeah it is hard when you're in another country and you have your own country's history to worry about. I don't know about University level. I just have always understood, in Korea anyways, they don't have US history in high school. Their US history, if anything, maybe the US involvement with the Korean war

We learnt.........actually we learnt nothing about US history. Our own was the primary focus.

I live in a pretty safe area of town. The suburbs and I'm around a lot of the main shopping and all that. Even when I've been downtown at night there's always lots of people around and I generally don't go down there anyways. I would end up lost before I'd have an encounter with a cop downtown.

Yes, it's boring living in the Burbs. Although my street used to be quite notorious for druggies and dole bludgers. Even still the most I encounter the police is random breath testing. I remember once 3 weeks in a row they were set up around the corner of my house at 10 am on a freaking Wednesday. I got curious by the second week so I asked the copper, you caught anyone. And he was like, ha it's a ****ing goldmine up here. Thankfully it wasn't during Christmas or I'd be screwed hahaha!

No, not with white guys. We'd be hearing about it with social media and blogs and right wing radio here in the US is everywhere. We also have religious radio and they all talk about politics and these things. I live in the south so you can't escape the talk. It's easy to tune in and hear what they're saying. I also suggest the website rightwingwatch.org They keep an eye on right wing talk in the media as well.

Yes, quite. You Americans do so love your politics and religion.

The Black Panthers aren't anybody anymore and neither is the KKK. The KKK still has presence here and the BP really don't. Not even the NBP. Nobody takes the KKK seriously. They've tried to do the "adopt a highway" program as "outreach" and judges will just rename it. There was an incident, I think even in Missouri I'm not 100%, and a KKK group wanted a highway but it was renamed the Rosa Parks highway. That was pretty good.

Well I was referring to their heyday, relying on history to inform you of the analogy I was using. I apologize if I didn't make it clear enough.

Now that was nice.

WBC? I don't know if I'm familiar with that??

Westboro Baptist Church. *shudders*
You know, those pricks with the "God hates ****" and "Thank God for dead soldiers" posters. I think they used to (don't know if they still do) picket funerals of fallen veterans. I'm pretty sure they were denied access to Australia a while back. Even the KKK has denounced them. The freaking KKK looked at their antics and were like "wow, that's a bit far." Like........damn!

Class and race are different. Even if you're a rich black guy if he's driving around a nice Benz or some other fancy car he's going to have the police suspicious of him. There are stories out there about that. No matter what you do if you're non-white you have this expectations put on you by the white population that you can't ever win. There's always going to be something that will keep you down. That's why there's still struggle today with prejudice, stereotypes, and just out right racism. White people will never fully understand the oppression. We just never won't. Not saying that's bad or good or anything. Just saying it's something that's only understandable by people who don't have power.

Lol and then said black man squishes the cop like an ant. Because he has the power to. That's how the affluent work, mate. They have the money, so if anyone hassles them they can just go to their other powerful friends and shut the harasser down hard. All while playing the sympathetic victim in front of the cameras. Come on, you seriously aren't this naive about this kind of thing, right?

If you're a white man and you're homeless are you more likely to be left alone than a black man who is homeless? Or a latino man who is homeless? If you're walking down the road and it's obvious you're homeless will you be left alone by the cops if you're white? Or will you be a suspect? What is the confirmation bias towards someone when you see them and their skin color?

I don't know. Does your police force make a habit of locking up random homeless people for being homeless? Bit harsh.

I look at a black guy and think, he's a person with a lot of melanin. Why what do you think when you see a random black person?

Actually I serve this guy every week, this real upper crust kind of guy. Strong American accent, black. Well dressed, well spoken, primped, pampered. Seems like a
nice bloke, well for a hoity toity type . First time I saw him I thought, geez what's a higher class yuppie like that doing shopping in this crummy run down old store?
Like seriously the old store I worked at was like the most run down piece of **** ever.
My second thought was. I bet the ******* plays golf.
Suppose that makes me a classist. Oh well.

Of course after the police realized who he was they were apologetic. But when they had no clue who he was look at how they treated him. Money didn't mean anything in that moment. In that moment he was just another black man standing on a side walk in NYC.

First of all, that seems to be the go to response I have seen from your police from videos. Regardless of the race of the "perp." I mean, the first time I watched the show "Cops" we jokingly called it "Rugby tackling everyone in sight." Because that's all the coppers seemed to do. To all races.
Secondly, the police office was humiliated in the aftermath. So there were clearly societal repercussions, which is odd since society is supposed to be in on the "oppression." And to be fair to the ******* copper, he does look remarkably like the bloke they initially suspected. But the morons bungled that as well.
Police incompetence + overly violent police officer does not automatically equal copper being a racist. An ******* who should at least be disciplined? Absolutely, but I'm not going to jump to the conclusion the guy was a racist just because he manhandled a suspect who just happened to be black. I needs more information before I can do that. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. But correlation does not automatically equal causation.

But that's what these students are asking for and for more diversity in faculty. The president has no issues and even said the school already had plans for it.

So what you're saying is, the supposedly racist school with a deep seated problem of ignoring racism, is doing exactly what the students demand? While that is good news, that doesn't sound particularly racist to me. If they were really racist their obvious ploy to cover their asses would be far more sniveling and weak.
But whatever, bully for them. They won. Yay!!

On another note, I'm not a huge fan of this checking the boxes of hiring staff thing. Diversity is a great thing, provided they prove themselves worthy of the job they are applying for. If they do not beat their competition, bad luck try somewhere else. But hiring someone placing their race before their qualifications (which happens implicitly with "diversifying staff" initiatives) I don't know. Unless the company is literally racist and refuses to comply with anti discrimination laws, I don't see it as a particularly great win. But then I side more with meritocracy than anything else.

Oh I'm talking about with talking to the other students. It's different talking to a counselor. You're expected they are trained in how to deal with strangers. But students might not want to air their issues to each other. That's what I was saying. You expect privacy with a counselor.

Well, the students are Missouri are living in fear as well with death threats now. Two white guys have been arrested (one had no ties to the school even at least) for having guns on campus and making threats. There was someone else who was saying they were going to go out and just shoot any black person they see because they don't mean anything. It's really sad. And with MLK Jr I highly recommend his letters for prison if people really want to understand him. Often we think of him as the man with the "I have a dream" speech but he was more than just that.

Oh sure. I would be honored to get to sit and talk to him about issues we as a country are facing today. Education, poverty, police brutality, war and issues with the military targeting non-white youth to join, health care, women rights and labor issues. I think I'd love to talk to him and Malcolm X. I have more of emotional tie to brother Malcolm though personally since we share an ideology (I'm a Communist too).

Geez, you're not painting the "South" as a particularly nice place. I know there'd be some deep seated racism even now, but gesh.

Yes, it would be quite interesting to converse with MLK and MX. Didn't know Malcolm was a communist. That's interesting.

 

[SomeRandom]

Ah gaming. I understand some of what that whole thing is. I saw some of it first hand with Jimmy Kimmel lol. He's a comedian here and tried to talk about the issue and he basically insulted gamers and they really went after him. It was nasty and brutal. Even saying things like killing him and his family and ****. Like wow.

Oh yeah that was..............****ing stupid. Many gamers were just facepalming at those abusive tweets. Like the guy made a joke. He shouldn't have been attacked like that. But at the same time, gamers have been long the whipping boy of practically the rest of society. I mean you can only beat a dog for so long before it bites back. When they first came out, gaming was seen as a kids toy, then people decried devs for pushing the envelope. Then, what tends to happen with every new form of entertainment, it got blamed for every evil of society and then finally, when gamers think all they have to worry about is gaming journalism corruption, the Radical Feminist movement tries to wedge itself into their past time and starts yelling at these guys for being "misogynists." One is not amused.
I decry the Kimmel debacle, but I can't blame the people who wrote those tweets entirely. The gaming community has been insulted and demeaned for too long for it not snap back from time to time. And to be fair, nasty things like death threats and stuff are often laughed off inside internet gaming. Many Gamers are just used to harsher language is all, they often don't mean it.
Either way I try my best to stay the hell out of those types of things. They're just stupid.

I understand. It can get nasty out there. I've been called names online but thankfully I'm really a nobody so people don't bother me. Doxxing? I'm not sure if I'm familiar with that lol.

Doxxing means to find and publish your personal information online so that the harassment can presumably enter real life. It's quite the big thing in the movements Pro and Anti Gamer Gate. Allegedly more in the anti side. Don't know, everyone seems to use the tactic but I have seen it more used by the anti side.

But nobody owes you an invite. If a school doesn't want to invite you that's their right too. Ann Coulter was going somewhere not long ago (sorry forgot where) and the students protested her being there. She's very hateful and nasty and says the most outrageous things. She's a very blonde skinny woman. She's not a host on fox or anything but she does go on there. I don't watch Fox to know how often she does now. But she's also good friends with Bill Maher.

Oh Ann Coulter has said some really hateful things out there. Especially about immigrants and refugee's lately. Go on her twitter. I don't want to link her and give her a view. So you'll have to find her. But she's really nuts.

Here in the US protesting on campuses are a history here. It's been around a long time and it's not going to go anywhere. It's part of free speech to protest.

Here is Ann Coulter. She is calling John Edwards the f word. He was a presidential candidate in 2004 and was the vp nominee with John Kerry-

Of course no one is owed an invite. Just as no one is owed the privilege of getting an invite revoked. Least of all ****ing students. They're there to be taught and challenged, not to be caved to and make demands (short of having safety obviously.)

Ann is an airhead xenophobe no doubt. But I'm sorry, she has her own free speech rights. You can protest her if you want, that's your right. But if you really want to challenge her as an adult, you act like an adult and go discuss **** at the talk she gives. Even if you don't get through to her, you've gotten practice for challenging views and hopefully learnt something along the way.

And I'm not talking about just student protests. That would be one thing. No, they are much more inane nowadays it seems. (Not all.) I'm talking about the people who are "triggered" and "need a safe space." Yeah, no. It's one thing to want civility and a place free of insults. But safe spaces without dissenting opinions at all? Come on. These sorts of protests are not in your proud tradition anymore. Even an outsider like myself can see that. Unless your protests have always included fainting couch feminists and a classroom with a video of puppies, bubbles and coloring in books?

Things are changing here in the US. The youth is changing. Now days people have friends who are openly gay or bi or even transgendered. People have friends from different religions. People have friends who are immigrants from different places. The only comedians crying about it are old. And their jokes are out dated. As a famous comedian here, Sarah Silverman, said you either get with the times or you *****. People don't find sexist jokes funny anymore and violent jokes against women. Humor is changing. You can still be a dick all day long but people will either protest your speech or they just don't want anything to do with you. They have emotional ties to the type of comedy that people are doing and it's hurtful and wrong to do.

As do I. And we can still laugh at ourselves. I love the hell out of South Park and they insult everyone on the planet.
It's the delivery not the joke. Family Guy for example often fails where South Park succeeds.
Meh I don't know who this Silverman person is. She's right that comedy has to change with the times. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to become totally toothless and BORING.

And Lewis CK seems to be still quite popular. Well he is over here. He'd be the type I'm talking about. Dark humor, which is used as a coping mechanism for life's problems. Like I said, you don't have to like it, you don't have to go. But you don't have the right to ban them either. And this constant need to protect everyone, ha. I'd choose someone who has the balls (or lady balls) to not treat me like a pane of glass over this pansy nonsense. Bring it on I say.
I'm beginning to see why the older generation scoffs at us for being weaklings.

Also never thought I'd say this sentence, but the Duck was right.

University's have the freedom to invite and set the environment of their school's. That's how it's always been here. And I doubt it's going to change anytime soon.

Yes, I specifically said that students don't get to demand who the school should and shouldn't invite. I mean I could understand if they invited a Neo Nazi and they faced backlash. But ehhh. We had an ex Neo Nazi at our school once. The discussion was downright awesome. But I did say that the school has that freedom... So..............

 

[SomeRandom]

We have a network here called CSPAN that airs Senate and Congress sessions and there's a third channel for CSPAN that has authors on. They sometimes go to University's and you have people on both sides of the isle going there and talking about their books and current and/or past works. It's called Book TV and you can go to cspan.org and see it on there and find when people go to University's and do talks. If it's not at a University it might be at a book store in a town where the person is.

Oooh sounds interesting.

People aren't asked to be coddled. They're asked to be treated with the dignity and respect they deserve. They don't tolerate hate speech from anyone. Of course if you live here in the south it's going to be reverse. You're going to have all the hate speech you want especially in the Churches. But if you're in the more north or midwest or west side of the country it's very different than down here. Down here the hate speech is the norm. You can go into book stores and see all these right wing authors and politicians with books out and it's all filled with hate. Hating gay people. Hating immigrants. Hating black people. Hating anyone not white. Hating the poor. Hating unions and workers. Wanting more guns. Wanting war. Throw in some Obama is the anti-Christ and really a secret Muslim who does secret hand shakes and you're golden!

Yes, I could see why Based Mom (Christina Hoff Sommers) would be shunned for being hateful. No, wait no I don't.

I also recall a University somewhere in the US I think, where this refugee lady was going to do a talk. And this somehow oppressed the SJW crowd in the school and they banned her. How is that shunning hate speech? I think the controversy was about actually I don't know what this actually legitimately oppressed lady did to set off the SJW crowd who said that her presence was "oppressive." (Beyond insulting at that point, mate!!!)
I wish I could find the story, I completely forgot the lady's name and a google search of banning talks on US college campuses comes up with like 50 news articles of various incidents. Although there was one amusing article about some school wanting to ban the word "American" for some reason.

Now banning hate speech is one thing. But I hear more often than not Campus students wanting to ban different opinions. That's what I'm against, specifically. I wouldn't even ban all the things you mentioned, though I strongly disagree with them. Have them out in the public so we can challenge them. Though I don't live in the South so maybe you guys can't do that?? I don't know.

Well good luck with University. I did criminal justice and the paralegal field. We had great talks about things and people were on different sides of the issue(s) but it wasn't WW3. I didn't really participate myself but mostly in "real life" I'm more quiet and always have been so. I mostly write out my thoughts if it's with a paper or essay or something like that. I had a political class that was really great and enjoyable but that was way before anything like this began lol. It was a couple of years ago. I went to a CC school and all the professors were great and had great discussions and everyone got to speak and be "safe" in their opinions. Lol in the political science class there was this one libertarian guy bless his heart. He was really passionate about things and always had to over take the argument and people just got annoyed with him. Not really at what they were saying but he didn't let others speak and he was really arrogant too and always thought he was the only one right. I felt bad for this one guy who was more soft spoken who tried to get in but the libertarian guy would speak up and be degrading to him. Oh, libertarians.

Thanks. Yeah, I don't know. I'll meander into a classroom one of these days. Naww, we had discussions like that in High School. There's always one lol

And do you know how many college kids there are in the US? My CC school alone had like 23,000 something. You're only hearing a few stories here and there that the media wants to talk about for their own ratings purposes. I've never heard of any issues in my region of the country and I try to pay attention to the news

Oh no doubt. The media is sensationalizing the hell out of the very few but loud cases of this crap. It's still fun to point out their ridiculousness though.

Yeah, I had to split my comment too. This is starting to get exhausting lol!

 

[Father Heathen]

Their concerns are there are not enough black people?

Schools and places of employment are going to have to start kidnapping minorities to create a suitable level of diversity.

 

[LittlePinky82]

We learnt.........actually we learnt nothing about US history. Our own was the primary focus.



Yes, it's boring living in the Burbs. Although my street used to be quite notorious for druggies and dole bludgers. Even still the most I encounter the police is random breath testing. I remember once 3 weeks in a row they were set up around the corner of my house at 10 am on a freaking Wednesday. I got curious by the second week so I asked the copper, you caught anyone. And he was like, ha it's a ****ing goldmine up here. Thankfully it wasn't during Christmas or I'd be screwed hahaha!

Pretty much what I figured. I've talked to a girl I follow on yt about it too (she's also a Kpop fan and talks about these issues within the idol world) and she's from Canada and had no idea about it either. I just recommended to her some good docs. I highly recommend going on yt and checking things out. One I really liked is the mockumentary (fake doc about fake history but based in reality if that makes sense) is from Spike Lee called "Confederate States of America." That one is good.

I love where I live now. It's so quiet. Only thing you really hear are dogs barking. Neighbors are friendly even though the only ones we really know live across the street.

Why screwed during Christmas? More people out shopping?

Yes, quite. You Americans do so love your politics and religion.



Well I was referring to their heyday, relying on history to inform you of the analogy I was using. I apologize if I didn't make it clear enough.

Now that was nice.

It's really annoying though because we're not supposed to have it. Even in the Constitution it says there shall be no religious test to hold office. Remember, a lot of the founders (if not all) were running away from that sort of thing with the Church of England. Right?

Oh I understand now. Lol yeah I thought that was pretty clever what they did with the high way. I haven't seen any of that around here.

Westboro Baptist Church. *shudders*
You know, those pricks with the "God hates ****" and "Thank God for dead soldiers" posters. I think they used to (don't know if they still do) picket funerals of fallen veterans. I'm pretty sure they were denied access to Australia a while back. Even the KKK has denounced them. The freaking KKK looked at their antics and were like "wow, that's a bit far." Like........damn!

Oh really? I hadn't heard that about the KKK. Wow. Now if they denounce you that's pretty bad lol.

Lol and then said black man squishes the cop like an ant. Because he has the power to. That's how the affluent work, mate. They have the money, so if anyone hassles them they can just go to their other powerful friends and shut the harasser down hard. All while playing the sympathetic victim in front of the cameras. Come on, you seriously aren't this naive about this kind of thing, right?

But if you listen to him they didn't. They didn't try to call him or anything. So he didn't really squish them. Because they didn't care. Cops here don't care. There have been in recent times when people say "we got you on video" to a cop and they say they don't give a ****. Even with the tennis player he only got the media attention because he's somebody. He still hasn't received justice for what happened to him and he probably won't. If he was white they wouldn't have done it in the first place.

I don't know. Does your police force make a habit of locking up random homeless people for being homeless? Bit harsh.

I look at a black guy and think, he's a person with a lot of melanin. Why what do you think when you see a random black person?

Actually I serve this guy every week, this real upper crust kind of guy. Strong American accent, black. Well dressed, well spoken, primped, pampered. Seems like a
nice bloke, well for a hoity toity type . First time I saw him I thought, geez what's a higher class yuppie like that doing shopping in this crummy run down old store?
Like seriously the old store I worked at was like the most run down piece of **** ever.
My second thought was. I bet the ******* plays golf.
Suppose that makes me a classist. Oh well.

Yes. They can. One city made it illegal for homeless to be sleeping in public parks. I think it was in Florida. I can't remember since it was in the past year and a lot has happened since then. And the same place also made it illegal to give out food to the homeless. There were charity groups who would always get together on the weekends and feed people.

First of all, that seems to be the go to response I have seen from your police from videos. Regardless of the race of the "perp." I mean, the first time I watched the show "Cops" we jokingly called it "Rugby tackling everyone in sight." Because that's all the coppers seemed to do. To all races.
Secondly, the police office was humiliated in the aftermath. So there were clearly societal repercussions, which is odd since society is supposed to be in on the "oppression." And to be fair to the ******* copper, he does look remarkably like the bloke they initially suspected. But the morons bungled that as well.
Police incompetence + overly violent police officer does not automatically equal copper being a racist. An ******* who should at least be disciplined? Absolutely, but I'm not going to jump to the conclusion the guy was a racist just because he manhandled a suspect who just happened to be black. I needs more information before I can do that. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. But correlation does not automatically equal causation.

"Cops" isn't anything anymore. That's television anyways. It's "reality tv." Don't buy anything you watch on tv. Even "reality" tv is fake as hell.

So what you're saying is, the supposedly racist school with a deep seated problem of ignoring racism, is doing exactly what the students demand? While that is good news, that doesn't sound particularly racist to me. If they were really racist their obvious ploy to cover their asses would be far more sniveling and weak.
But whatever, bully for them. They won. Yay!!

Yeah this area and school supposedly had a long history of racism and previous president's of the school also ignored it. With this president it was like a "perfect storm." First, grad students lost health care too soon. That was an Affordable Care Act issue though apparently but the president brought it back. Then some issue with Planned Parenthood. I'm not sure what that was about honestly. Then he wasn't listening to student survey's. So, this whole thing with the racism and the school was just icing on the cake.

On another note, I'm not a huge fan of this checking the boxes of hiring staff thing. Diversity is a great thing, provided they prove themselves worthy of the job they are applying for. If they do not beat their competition, bad luck try somewhere else. But hiring someone placing their race before their qualifications (which happens implicitly with "diversifying staff" initiatives) I don't know. Unless the company is literally racist and refuses to comply with anti discrimination laws, I don't see it as a particularly great win. But then I side more with meritocracy than anything else.




Geez, you're not painting the "South" as a particularly nice place. I know there'd be some deep seated racism even now, but gesh.

Yes, it would be quite interesting to converse with MLK and MX. Didn't know Malcolm was a communist. That's interesting.

Here we have affirmative action. And that comes about from years before with schools denying people based on race.

Well, the south can be quite lovely. Good food, people are generally good, and the area's are really beautiful. Don't bring up god, guns or gays and depending race too and you'll be fine lol. Just don't talk politics unless you know how people think.

Yes, Malcolm was one. It's funny the FBI tried to recruit him as a spy and he told them to **** off.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Oh yeah that was..............****ing stupid. Many gamers were just facepalming at those abusive tweets. Like the guy made a joke. He shouldn't have been attacked like that. But at the same time, gamers have been long the whipping boy of practically the rest of society. I mean you can only beat a dog for so long before it bites back. When they first came out, gaming was seen as a kids toy, then people decried devs for pushing the envelope. Then, what tends to happen with every new form of entertainment, it got blamed for every evil of society and then finally, when gamers think all they have to worry about is gaming journalism corruption, the Radical Feminist movement tries to wedge itself into their past time and starts yelling at these guys for being "misogynists." One is not amused.
I decry the Kimmel debacle, but I can't blame the people who wrote those tweets entirely. The gaming community has been insulted and demeaned for too long for it not snap back from time to time. And to be fair, nasty things like death threats and stuff are often laughed off inside internet gaming. Many Gamers are just used to harsher language is all, they often don't mean it.
Either way I try my best to stay the hell out of those types of things. They're just stupid.

Kimmel is a pretty chill guy. He took it really well and used comedy to point it out. I think he has a little baby daughter? If not in the infant young stage anyways.

Well, I'm a feminist and I really don't care about gaming. Let's just say it's very low on my worry list.

But death threats now days are taken more seriously. Especially with the gun issues going around now.

Doxxing means to find and publish your personal information online so that the harassment can presumably enter real life. It's quite the big thing in the movements Pro and Anti Gamer Gate. Allegedly more in the anti side. Don't know, everyone seems to use the tactic but I have seen it more used by the anti side.

I see. Well, with me my name is pretty common lol so I don't have to worry about that. Last year I searched for myself in yahoo's search engine and never found me. I did find this other blonde woman with my name and she was an amateur porn star lol. I found that amusing. And I never did find me lol. I don't have much social media presence so. Only thing I have is Fb and I barely use it.

Of course no one is owed an invite. Just as no one is owed the privilege of getting an invite revoked. Least of all ****ing students. They're there to be taught and challenged, not to be caved to and make demands (short of having safety obviously.)

Ann is an airhead xenophobe no doubt. But I'm sorry, she has her own free speech rights. You can protest her if you want, that's your right. But if you really want to challenge her as an adult, you act like an adult and go discuss **** at the talk she gives. Even if you don't get through to her, you've gotten practice for challenging views and hopefully learnt something along the way.

And I'm not talking about just student protests. That would be one thing. No, they are much more inane nowadays it seems. (Not all.) I'm talking about the people who are "triggered" and "need a safe space." Yeah, no. It's one thing to want civility and a place free of insults. But safe spaces without dissenting opinions at all? Come on. These sorts of protests are not in your proud tradition anymore. Even an outsider like myself can see that. Unless your protests have always included fainting couch feminists and a classroom with a video of puppies, bubbles and coloring in books?

If students don't want someone like that on their campus that's their right. She's not there to discuss. She's there to yap about her politics and her books and maybe answer question's at the end depending on the timing. You don't give people with hateful bigotry speech like that a platform. Especially not where education is concerned. If you want people to be educated you don't fill their head with hate speech.

As a feminist I find that quite insulting. People deserve to be not harassed based on things they can't control. People deserve respect. People deserve to be treated with dignity.

Hate speech isn't welcomed.

As do I. And we can still laugh at ourselves. I love the hell out of South Park and they insult everyone on the planet.
It's the delivery not the joke. Family Guy for example often fails where South Park succeeds.
Meh I don't know who this Silverman person is. She's right that comedy has to change with the times. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to become totally toothless and BORING.

And Lewis CK seems to be still quite popular. Well he is over here. He'd be the type I'm talking about. Dark humor, which is used as a coping mechanism for life's problems. Like I said, you don't have to like it, you don't have to go. But you don't have the right to ban them either. And this constant need to protect everyone, ha. I'd choose someone who has the balls (or lady balls) to not treat me like a pane of glass over this pansy nonsense. Bring it on I say.
I'm beginning to see why the older generation scoffs at us for being weaklings.

Also never thought I'd say this sentence, but the Duck was right.

Sarah Silverman is very popular here. She is known for her more crude humor.

She says all that needs to be said. She's around young people all the time and gets it.

And yes you can ban someone from your property here in the US. Especially if it's private property.

Yes, I specifically said that students don't get to demand who the school should and shouldn't invite. I mean I could understand if they invited a Neo Nazi and they faced backlash. But ehhh. We had an ex Neo Nazi at our school once. The discussion was downright awesome. But I did say that the school has that freedom... So..............

And students get to protest or not show up. You don't have to show up to hear someone speak either. You can invite someone and they can have an empty room.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Oooh sounds interesting.



Yes, I could see why Based Mom (Christina Hoff Sommers) would be shunned for being hateful. No, wait no I don't.

I also recall a University somewhere in the US I think, where this refugee lady was going to do a talk. And this somehow oppressed the SJW crowd in the school and they banned her. How is that shunning hate speech? I think the controversy was about actually I don't know what this actually legitimately oppressed lady did to set off the SJW crowd who said that her presence was "oppressive." (Beyond insulting at that point, mate!!!)
I wish I could find the story, I completely forgot the lady's name and a google search of banning talks on US college campuses comes up with like 50 news articles of various incidents. Although there was one amusing article about some school wanting to ban the word "American" for some reason.

Yeah CSPAN has a website and everything up there. cspan.org Check it out. They have great stuff with BookTV. You should check it out. Find some good people on there you can enjoy.

Sorry but I searched for this University banning a refugee lady and didn't find anything. Where did you hear about this? There was nothing in the search engine. The only thing I found was a Roman Catholic University not having Desmond Tutu because they didn't like in a speech he compared Israel to Hitler and didn't want to be associated with that type of speech.

Now banning hate speech is one thing. But I hear more often than not Campus students wanting to ban different opinions. That's what I'm against, specifically. I wouldn't even ban all the things you mentioned, though I strongly disagree with them. Have them out in the public so we can challenge them. Though I don't live in the South so maybe you guys can't do that?? I don't know.



Thanks. Yeah, I don't know. I'll meander into a classroom one of these days. Naww, we had discussions like that in High School. There's always one lol


Oh no doubt. The media is sensationalizing the hell out of the very few but loud cases of this crap. It's still fun to point out their ridiculousness though.

Yeah, I had to split my comment too. This is starting to get exhausting lol!

No, it's not just different opinions. There's usually some good reason why they don't want them. They're usually someone who is controversial and has known past issues for being hateful and bigoted towards people. They don't fit with the school environment in an extreme way. It's usually the University who decides to invite people or not and they look at the person and see what they're about and if they have controversy around them will try to avoid that. Schools don't like having negative press. They want people to come there lol.

What I've noticed with not inviting people is it's usually someone who is pretty controversial and has a pattern of having hate speech. Coulter has been to Canada before and has had protests at events. Here's one time where she was protested. Another time was in 2010 and she did a school in Canada and people are there to listen to her.

Meh I don't think so. I think it goes to real issues the country is facing. We're at a time now where we're going to decide where to go. Do we want to progress into the 21st century with the rest of the first world or go back to a dark period? It's getting really nasty and scary out there.

Lol I understand that. It's fine if you don't want to respond anymore or if you wish to you can pm me if you want to talk anymore lol.

 

[SomeRandom]

Pretty much what I figured. I've talked to a girl I follow on yt about it too (she's also a Kpop fan and talks about these issues within the idol world) and she's from Canada and had no idea about it either. I just recommended to her some good docs. I highly recommend going on yt and checking things out. One I really liked is the mockumentary (fake doc about fake history but based in reality if that makes sense) is from Spike Lee called "Confederate States of America." That one is good.

I think I learnt about American History from all the different iterations of a children's series called "Horrible Histories." Started as books and then got two different TV show adaptations. That and Assassin's Creed 3 lol.
But History was never big with me.

Why screwed during Christmas? More people out shopping?

No, because my cousin makes his own spirits. And he makes them strong as f. I'm not entirely sure if I'd be under the legal limit on a Wednesday even if I drank them on a Monday night lol.

It's really annoying though because we're not supposed to have it. Even in the Constitution it says there shall be no religious test to hold office. Remember, a lot of the founders (if not all) were running away from that sort of thing with the Church of England. Right?

Well at least you have a tangible separation documented. In Australia, although we are a secular society the line is too fuzzy to keep in check.

Oh really? I hadn't heard that about the KKK. Wow. Now if they denounce you that's pretty bad lol.

Omg, right? Pretty ****ed up.
I watch Louis Theroux every now and then and he did like a little Journalistic documentary about them twice. Called "America's most hated family" and "America's most hated family revisited." Louis is pretty good at being neutral and seems to have a good dose of professional integrity. So he just pretty much lets his subjects speak for themselves and man were they creepy. Very definition of a Cult.

But if you listen to him they didn't. They didn't try to call him or anything. So he didn't really squish them. Because they didn't care. Cops here don't care. There have been in recent times when people say "we got you on video" to a cop and they say they don't give a ****. Even with the tennis player he only got the media attention because he's somebody. He still hasn't received justice for what happened to him and he probably won't. If he was white they wouldn't have done it in the first place.

I contend that. Not saying your police aren't racist. But I have seen far too many "white men" manhandled by Police (both internationally and here) to know it does happen without consequence. We call coppers like that "Jesus in boots." Because they think they're above the law and in many cases they are.
Necessary evil, cops are.

"Cops" isn't anything anymore. That's television anyways. It's "reality tv." Don't buy anything you watch on tv. Even "reality" tv is fake as hell.

I know. I was being a little flippant. But that doesn't mean they treat white "suspects" better than black "suspects." Maybe some do, but if you look you can find the stories which the News does not care about. Because the perps were white!

Yeah this area and school supposedly had a long history of racism and previous president's of the school also ignored it. With this president it was like a "perfect storm." First, grad students lost health care too soon. That was an Affordable Care Act issue though apparently but the president brought it back. Then some issue with Planned Parenthood. I'm not sure what that was about honestly. Then he wasn't listening to student survey's. So, this whole thing with the racism and the school was just icing on the cake.

Oh you Americans. Always drama central.
We're going the same way, unfortunately.

Kimmel is a pretty chill guy. He took it really well and used comedy to point it out. I think he has a little baby daughter? If not in the infant young stage anyways.

Well he's a comedian. And he's famous. So you'd kind of expect him to take it in his stride.

Well, I'm a feminist and I really don't care about gaming. Let's just say it's very low on my worry list.

If only every feminist didn't care about gaming. Le sigh.
I'm becoming quite disillusioned by feminism as of late. At least "internet feminism."

I see. Well, with me my name is pretty common lol so I don't have to worry about that. Last year I searched for myself in yahoo's search engine and never found me. I did find this other blonde woman with my name and she was an amateur porn star lol. I found that amusing. And I never did find me lol. I don't have much social media presence so. Only thing I have is Fb and I barely use it.

Your name is not Doxxing. At least not full blown Doxxing.
Doxxing is revealing your full name, address, how you look and even where you work or go to school. If you use the internet, you can be Doxxed. It doesn't matter if you never use social media or even never send an email. That's irrelevant. It's pretty easy to Dox people, even if they have common names.
So do not fret, you're not actually a nobody online. You're just hidden at the moment.

 

[SomeRandom]

And yes you can ban someone from your property here in the US. Especially if it's private property.

I wasn't talking about private property. I'm talking public events. Or do Americans make it a habit of inviting Comedians to do shows on their private property?

Damn, you ****ers really are rich.

If students don't want someone like that on their campus that's their right. She's not there to discuss. She's there to yap about her politics and her books and maybe answer question's at the end depending on the timing. You don't give people with hateful bigotry speech like that a platform. Especially not where education is concerned. If you want people to be educated you don't fill their head with hate speech.

Never said they shouldn't be allowed to challenge them. But remember how you said speech comes with consequences??? One of those consequences will be insensitive pricks like me scoffing at some of these protests.

Students, mate. You need to challenge them. You don't need to have people like Ann Coulter. That's an extreme example. But what about Christina Hoff Sommers? She doesn't preach hate speech. She speaks against toxic Feminism, challenges students to debate her like adults and discusses a wide array of pertinent issues. She's still been banned or called hateful and has encountered 20 somethings throwing tantrums all the freaking time. She seems to find it both amusing and pathetic.
And that's exactly what I'm talking about. These kids aren't just protesting hate speech, that would be reasonable. No some seem to protest mere dissent. And that's pathetic.
Your worldview should be shred to smithereens in Uni. That's how you develop a better one. And these are college aged students we're talking about, not impressionable children. If they are that easily swayed by bigoted speech, they're dullards. They should go there to grill that woman, I don't care if she's there to do a book promotion or just to drum up political support. Challenge her like adults, don't stamp your feet like petty kids.
God, America home of the brave and land of the free indeed. Unless it's someone you don't like. Then the poor students need to be protected like babies. Come on.

As a feminist I find that quite insulting. People deserve to be not harassed based on things they can't control. People deserve respect. People deserve to be treated with dignity.

Hate speech isn't welcomed.

Again, your extended courtesy of not being offended doesn't override the RIGHTS of other people.
But regardless, I never said people shouldn't be treated with dignity. You can do that and still spout offensive material. Because guess what? Offensive is entirely subjective and cannot truly be banned (except the extremes, maybe.) Nor should it. We should treat people like they are adults who can handle bad words, instead of protecting people like fragile glass, we ought to be building them up to a point where they can healthily cope with things.

And remember offense is often taken not necessarily given. If you take offense to the statue of David because you find it demeaning to women (yes, I have heard this interpretation before) that's entirely on you and your interpretation. It's not Micheal Angelo's fault.

But again, it's not just hate speech that is challenged by students these days. That would be understandable. No, it's literally every microscopic thing that can possibly be construed as "offensive."
Which is kind of the thing the Anti PC can latch onto to point out PC failure. Congrats guys, you just handed the anti PC brigade all the material they need. Well done.

http://www.afr.com/leadership/manag...s-universities-has-gone-crazy-20150819-gj2ek3

Doesn't matter if this is still the minority doing this. If this is allowed this hysterical overly emotional crap can spread to the rest of us over time.

Apparently this type of emotional thinking might not actually be healthy in the first place.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beyond-good-and-evil/201509/political-correctness-gone-mad

I mean you have Liberal Professors speaking out (usually anonymously because you know, fear for their job and all) on how they are now forced to walk on Goddamned eggshells for fear of "offending anyone." That's not how you teach, that's how you coddle.

Not saying this is applicable everywhere in America obviously. It's probably very few areas if that. Just as I'm sure my teaching cousins lamenting every chance they get about the same thing about teaching Uni here is not reflective of a trend literally countrywide. But it's worth noting that this has to be nipped in the bud, so it doesn't spread.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid

No, it's not just different opinions. There's usually some good reason why they don't want them. They're usually someone who is controversial and has known past issues for being hateful and bigoted towards people. They don't fit with the school environment in an extreme way. It's usually the University who decides to invite people or not and they look at the person and see what they're about and if they have controversy around them will try to avoid that. Schools don't like having negative press. They want people to come there lol.

Discussions about Controversial subjects SHOULD be encouraged by Universities. I'm not saying bring in Nazis or the likes of Ann Coulter or even Jenny Bindle. I'm saying when you are in University you are an adult. You are at an age where you should be questioning the world around you and you need to be exposed to a wide variety of viewpoints and topics to discuss and analyze. Some of them should be controversial. It's now or never kids, either learn how to discuss controversy or run and hide like a child.To reject controversy is to encourage arrogance among students. Because it basically confirms to them that they can't learn anything from people they dislike or don't agree with. This is wrong and a disservice to kids. Short of inciting violence or outright hate speech, you shouldn't shield these kids from controversy, from wild opinions, from out there conspiracies. If you don't introduce these kids to these sorts of things, they never learn how to properly analyze and deconstruct them. How are they supposed to then learn anything at all???

Sorry but I searched for this University banning a refugee lady and didn't find anything. Where did you hear about this? There was nothing in the search engine. The only thing I found was a Roman Catholic University not having Desmond Tutu because they didn't like in a speech he compared Israel to Hitler and didn't want to be associated with that type of speech.

It was on a YouTube channel I sometimes watch. The content creator always provides links. It might have been a while ago, I can't quite remember. I'll try to find it.

In the meantime here's silly ones.

http://listverse.com/2015/08/25/10-...-ban-on-politically-correct-college-campuses/

http://theminorityreportblog.com/20...ally-correct-for-being-politically-incorrect/