Yet more things to ignore

[jeager106]

You are taking the very minority of Muslims "actions" as only representation/reference of Islam,

Shedding Blood For Allah: Pew Study Says More Than 350 Million Muslims Support Violent Jihad

That very small minority is pretty big.

One wonders how many Christians support violence to promote Christianity?
The Crusades ended centuries ago as Christianity matured into what it is today.
( for the most part that is.)

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm not EVEN going into why the U.S. military used the A-bomb to end that
war and save MILLIONS of lives on all side.

I advise you not to make the attempt.

I get the sense that hardly anyone outside the USA buys that line.

I most certainly do not. I understand it to be a particularly odd piece of American folklore.

Understandable to a point - no one particularly wants to think of their parents and grandparents as accessories to genocide - but still, to put it mildly, of dubious ethical substance.

 

[Acim]

But Christians today don't commit murder of epic proportions on a global scale
killing innocents indiscriminately.

IMO, this needs to be stipulated with idea that I think you are speaking of individuals not operating on behalf of a national government.

Cause Obama is a Christian who commits murder / killing innocents. Justified, in his mind, I believe because U.S. is at war and collateral damages are part of that (dirty) process. Bush did the same (also Christian), as did B. Clinton (also Christian) as did Bush Sr. and Reagan (both Christians).

Clearly though militant Islamic ideology is taking center stage on the civilian level of political violence. The O.P. notes it as right-wing extremists, but uses data from 2001 to 2014. I'd like to have this data revised around 2021, and see how things shape up from 2001 to 2020 in what is being purported.

 

[Godobeyer]

Godobeyer:

Convoluted political idealism and racism is responsible for Hitler.
Hitler was a mad man using racism against Jews to promote violence and ultimately
begin his military plans for WWII.
Hitler's criminal followers also persecuted Catholic priests. Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies,
and other "racially impure" or those thought to be pacifists.
Radical islamists haven't used an atomic bomb YET.
If radical islamists gets hands on an atomic bomb they WILL USE IT.
I'm not EVEN going into why the U.S. military used the A-bomb to end that
war and save MILLIONS of lives on all side.
YOU know how to research such historical events.

Hilter to West , is same as Bin laden to Muslims.
Hilter (Nazi)crimes uncomparable to Bin laden(Alqaeda...other groups) crimes.
Hitler was hero for his million of followers,may still.(Neo-Nazi)

at least we did not use it,US is only country that used Atomic bomb against humans. and produced hunderds (or thousands) to be used .

 

[jeager106]

As I have reiterated many times before in similar discussions, armed violence is not the only manifestation of extremism. In the Muslim world, as I have also mentioned many times before, there is widely supported (by most Muslims, at least in the Arab world) homophobia, sexism, and support for punishments like stoning and lashing, among other things. It is at the point where millions of Muslims believe that homosexual sex is punishable by death and premarital sex is punishable by lashing.

That's far from what I would call peaceful. Yes, the "West" has a lot of blood on its hands, but I think that most Muslim-majority countries are living their Dark Ages right now and are in need of an Enlightenment era of their own to get past these times of cultural regression.

That post^^^^^^^^^^^^ was so well done I thought it should be repeated.

I feel Christianity as a whole grew up.
Christians as a group no longer burn witches at the stake, nor persecute Jews and
Cook them in an oven and................................
Gee, come to think of it my father was wounded FIVE times in WWII.
He was in the elite Spearhead division, first in to get blown up.
After many decade of NOT speaking of the war he told of shooting CHILDREN
as they ran for the American tanks asking for chocolate.
The Nazis would rig the kids with explosives and detonate them near allied
soldiers.
Is it any wonder he drank himself to death?
Heinous acts are committed by many of ALL races and nationalities.
It seems it's Islams time to commit worldwide terror to promote a religion
by declaring Jihad. A war against the West.
I take that personally.

 

[jeager106]

Hilter to West , is same as Bin laden to Muslims.
Hilter (Nazi)crimes uncomparable to Bin laden(Alqaeda...other groups) crimes.
Hitler was hero for his million of followers,may still.(Neo-Nazi)

at least we did not use it,US is only country that used Atomic bomb against humans. and produced hunderds (or thousands) to be used .

Yes. Neo-Nazi members are sick white supremacists.
Who would deny that?
When did they shoot up a club full of alleged homosexuals or plant bombs
worldwide to promote their agenda?
Neo Nazis are a sick bunch and a very small portion of our society.
Those people are racists and see anyone not a white anglo saxon protestant
as "others" and subject to persecution.
These people are not held in high regard.
In fact they are disliked intensely.

 

[MD]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ves-islamist-extremists-report-thinktank-rusi

Lonewolf right wing (read white) extremists kill more people than single Islamic extremists. How are we supposed to twist this into "Islam is the worst"?

This article is a joke, the study compares lone wolf attacks. Most Islamic terrorism is not lone wolf, but organized. The study also is till 2014, which conveniently leaves out Paris and Brussels. Heck even in that time frame the Madrid bombings killed 191 people.

And let's not forget the mass rapes of young girls by Muslim gangs like Rotherham, who were not arrested because of 'racism'. And the thousands of women who were sexually assaulted and raped in Cologne and other cities. Of course there was no feminist outcry over this. There never will be.

The Left protects Islamic terrorism to the point that it's kinda hilarious. The Europeans desperately need people as their culture and populations are declining fast. Islam is its future, but let's be a little more honest now with regards to terror, shall we?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I feel Christianity as a whole grew up.
Christians as a group no longer burn witches at the stake, nor persecute Jews and
Cook them in an oven and................................

It depends on what part of the world you're looking at. Some in the West still support, condone, and carry out terrorist attacks; they blow up buildings; they beat and sometimes kill atheists, homosexuals, transsexuals, and others; and some do support the idea of stoning adulterers, homosexuals, and punishing others who violate Biblical laws and principles. But, if you look at places like Africa, the Middle East, or South-West Asia, we find much more violence, terrorism, brutality, and oppression.

 

[jeager106]

I advise you not to make the attempt.

I get the sense that hardly anyone outside the USA buys that line.

I most certainly do not. I understand it to be a particularly odd piece of American folklore.

Understandable to a point - no one particularly wants to think of their parents and grandparents as accessories to genocide - but still, to put it mildly, of dubious ethical substance.

Genocide?
Explain?
Invading Japan by convention means would have cost at least a million
casualties on both sides.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff estimated that Olympic alone would cost 456,000 men, including 109,000 killed. Including Coronet, it was estimated that America would experience 1.2 million casualties, with 267,000 deaths.

Be glad that you nor I had to make the decision.

 

[jeager106]

It depends on what part of the world you're looking at. Some in the West still support, condone, and carry out terrorist attacks; they blow up buildings; they beat and sometimes kill atheists, homosexuals, transsexuals, and others; and some do support the idea of stoning adulterers, homosexuals, and punishing others who violate Biblical laws and principles. But, if you look at places like Africa, the Middle East, or South-West Asia, we find much more violence, terrorism, brutality, and oppression.

Opinions. Yours.
Support your assertions with some references and numbers.
Else it's opinions and like ###-##les everyone has one.
Some are just more visible than others.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Opinions. Yours.
Support your assertions with some references and numbers.
Else it's opinions and like ###-##les everyone has one.
Some are just more visible than others.

Here's a good start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35372921
International prosecutors at The Hague have accused former Ugandan rebel Dominic Ongwen of ordering his men to kill, cook and eat civilians.
He is the first member of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) to appear before the International Criminal Court.
Mr Ongwen has been accused of 70 war crimes and crimes against humanity.
And I'm assuming you don't need sources for things like the Ku Klux Klan or abortion clinic bombings and murders.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And here is a guy running for public office in Oklahoma saying homosexuals should be put to death:
http://kfor.com/2014/06/10/oklahoma-political-candidate-expresses-extreme-views-on-homosexuality/
MOORE, Okla. - Scott Esk is running for House District 91 state representative.
...
Esk posted some old testament scripture that referred to homosexuality being punished.

Someone asked - "So just to be clear, you think we should execute homosexuals (presumably by stoning)?"

Esk responds - "I think we would be totally in the right to do it. That goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I'm largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss."

 

[LuisDantas]

Genocide?
Explain?

The USA bombed two civillian sites in August 1945. After a considerable time of decreeing that the whole of Japanese population should be considered valid "miltary" targets. It was the butchery "LeMay Doctrine".

FP: What exactly is the LeMay Doctrine?

Kozak: Simply put, a nation should think long and hard before it makes the fateful decision to go to war. But if all other diplomatic means have failed and there is no other alternative, then that nation should use every weapon in its arsenal to win the war as quickly as possible. And here’s the kicker: if it isn’t willing to do this, then it should not go to war in the first place. Prolonged conflicts help no one and wind up producing more casualties in the end. Think how the United States would have fought its wars differently since WWII … or not at all … if it had used LeMay’s doctrine.

Source: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/24856/life-and-wars-general-curtis-lemay-jamie-glazov-jamie-glazov

Invading Japan by convention means would have cost at least a million
casualties on both sides.

I have heard that before. It is no more convincing now than it was the first time.

I will be surprised if even 05% of non-Americans believe that line to any measure.

For one thing, Japan was not brainless, nor unreachable. It knew full well that Italy and Germany were already defeated. It is not remotely like there was no other option beyond fighting to the death.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff estimated that Olympic alone would cost 456,000 men, including 109,000 killed. Including Coronet, it was estimated that America would experience 1.2 million casualties, with 267,000 deaths.

They sure handled obscene amounts of death with a lot of casualty.

Be glad that you nor I had to make the decision.

I would be glad to make the decision, actually. I sure would prefer that to leaving it to Curtis LeMay or Douglas MacArthur.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have heard that before. It is no more convincing now than it was the first time.

I will be surprised if even 05% of non-Americans believe that line to any measure.

And not to mention, as was up for consideration, Japan could have been blockaded and economically choked and forced to quit as their resources dwindled. But, as we know, instead it was chosen to drop two extremely powerful bombs on two cities, causing widespread destruction and the deaths of over 100,000 people, most of who were civilians.

 

[Godobeyer]

As I have reiterated many times before in similar discussions, armed violence is not the only manifestation of extremism. In the Muslim world, as I have also mentioned many times before, there is widely supported (by most Muslims, at least in the Arab world) homophobia, sexism, and support for punishments like stoning and lashing, among other things. It is at the point where millions of Muslims believe that homosexual sex is punishable by death and premarital sex is punishable by lashing.

That's far from what I would call peaceful. Yes, the "West" has a lot of blood on its hands, but I think that most Muslim-majority countries are living their Dark Ages right now and are in need of an Enlightenment era of their own to get past these times of cultural regression.

The West had much some responsiblity on Dark Ages.
occupation and support voilence what they called "rebels" for "democraty" (Libya,....etc )....replacing what they called "dictatoric regime" by civil war and terrorists.

The West economy are built through blood/fortunes of Africans and Asian countries,then monoply of science.,which cause the the Dark Ages in third world.

For stone, or lashing, the homosexual, I lived in Algeria(most of Muslim countries too) I never heard about that someone stoned or lashed here,I think the same with Egypt too ?

I don't tell that Muslims are angels, or don't have big responsiblity ,but for Iraq tragedy and Syria and Afghnistan and Libya 'tragedies" the big responsiblity is on West .

 

[jeager106]

And I'm assuming you don't need sources for things like the Ku Klux Klan or abortion clinic bombings and murders.

No I get it about the K.K.K. and don't much care about Uganda.
One would think the people there would get rid of despots.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes. Neo-Nazi members are sick white supremacists.
Who would deny that?
When did they shoot up a club full of alleged homosexuals or plant bombs
worldwide to promote their agenda?
Neo Nazis are a sick bunch and a very small portion of our society.
Those people are racists and see anyone not a white anglo saxon protestant
as "others" and subject to persecution.
These people are not held in high regard.
In fact they are disliked intensely.

This is it. but why the West did not fight this idealogy "Neo-Nazi"?

We the Muslims are fighting "terrorists" and we are the most victimes of this phenomen,maybe 99% of victimes are Muslims.

We ,and our armies (Algerians,Tunisians,Egyptian,Libyian,Syrian,Lebnon...etc)are the first level of defense.
May thousand of Muslims (soldiers) died everyday for you and me.

last week Algerian army killed 18 terrorists,many soldiers died.

http://www.aps.dz/en/algeria/13283-...rs-in-operation-running-since-june-8-in-medea

I can say Algeria is first Muslim country winning terrorism idealogy and groups.

 

[jeager106]

This is it. but why the West did not fight this idealogy "Neo-Nazi"?

We do.


We the Muslims are fighting "terrorists" and we are the most victimes of this phenomen,maybe 99% of victimes are Muslims.

We ,and our armies (Algerians,Tunisians,Egyptian,Libyian,Syrian,Lebnon...etc)are the first level of defense.
May thousand of Muslims (soldiers) died everyday for you and me.

I appreciate that and am sad for the soldiers.

last week Algerian army killed 18 terrorists,many soldiers died.

http://www.aps.dz/en/algeria/13283-...rs-in-operation-running-since-june-8-in-medea

I can say Algeria is first Muslim country winning terrorism idealogy and groups.

I'm proud of Algeria.
Thank you for the information.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No I get it about the K.K.K. and don't much care about Uganda.
One would think the people there would get rid of despots.

You seem to care when it's Muslims.

 

[jeager106]

You seem to care when it's Muslims.

Everything in the news shows Islam in a very bad light.

Jihad Report
Jun 11, 2016 -
Jun 17, 2016
Attacks 51
Killed 427
Injured 288
Suicide Blasts 9
Countries 16

There is much, much, more but you see where I am coming from.
Then there is the Twin Towers of 9/11 and now Miami.
An attack in a mall in Cleveland Ohio (shootings) today but details are not being released.
Don't know if it was due to radical Islam or local criminal.