Yet more things to ignore

[Aquitaine]

why you keep asking the same question, I answsered before ?


Check your link , most of world deny or doubt about that "claim" of genocide!!

The countries in grey currently haven't made efforts to officially recognise it, but the only two countries to deny it are Turkey and Azerbaijan.
As you can see in the image, essentially all of the developed world recognises it.

Are these survivors fakers too?

 

[Godobeyer]

The countries in grey currently haven't made efforts to officially recognise it, but the only two countries to deny it are Turkey and Azerbaijan.
As you can see in the image, essentially all of the developed world recognises it.

Are these survivors fakers too?

Why you think Turkey and Azerbaijan deny it,if really happened. ?

The most world don't recognises as historic fact because it's very probably did not happened (fake story). but on contrary most of world recognises the Holocaust and crimes of Nazis.

for olders:
-I don't know if they are fakers or honest.

 

[Flankerl]

So even Algerians know about the brilliant tactic of Erdogan: "Well you did Genocide once... NOW YOU CANT SPEAK ABOUT OTHERS WHO MIGHT HAVE DONE IT."

Genius.

He is also as always wrong on oh so many things.
"Let them first re-define Holocaust" Why? Who apart from the Nazis and their new allies are denying it while simultaneously being happy about it?

"Let them review Namibia massacre." That happened in 2004 and again in 2015.


But as quite some people here said when Erdowahn(wahn is German for delusion/craze) spouted this nonsense: "Well we know a Genocide when we see one."

 

[Godobeyer]

So even Algerians know about the brilliant tactic of Erdogan: "Well you did Genocide once... NOW YOU CANT SPEAK ABOUT OTHERS WHO MIGHT HAVE DONE IT."

Genius.

He is also as always wrong on oh so many things.
"Let them first re-define Holocaust" Why? Who apart from the Nazis and their new allies are denying it while simultaneously being happy about it?

"Let them review Namibia massacre." That happened in 2004 and again in 2015.


But as quite some people here said when Erdowahn(wahn is German for delusion/craze) spouted this nonsense: "Well we know a Genocide when we see one."

lol humanitarian of @Flankerl intervened

I bet , if they were Muslims you would not care,and you would not reply in first place !

Test: there is genocide happening Burma , against Muslims,do you condemned that ?

 

[atanu]

when was the attack on Pearl Harbor?

Pearl Harbour happened in end 1941 and bomb dropping in 1945. Do you seriously think that a Pearl Harbour mis-adventure of Japan of 1941 required a nuclear reply in 1945?

Who did the attacking?

Of course Japan attacked.

I can answer this in terms of "we' and 'them', but honestly the intention is not finger pointing. Conflicts happen interdependently (as all other events) but conflicts especially are fuelled by the ambitions of expansionism, whether religious or secular.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I can answer this in terms of "we' and 'them', but honestly the intention is not finger pointing. Conflicts happen interdependently (as all other events) but conflicts especially are fuelled by the ambitions of expansionism, whether religious or secular.

And we can see this expansionism today the way China has been challenging territory and border claims. It hasn't blown into a war, but they've definitely laid some kindling for a potential inferno.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The post that brought my response up in regards to modern Germans and the Nazis mentioned it, as if today's Germans calling something genocide is a hypocritical travesty because of the Holocaust.
https://www.turkishminute.com/2016/06/04/erdogan-says-germany-last-country-speak-genocide/
Speaking at the Turkish Exporters’ Assembly (TİM) on Saturday, Erdoğan said “The fact that the last country on Earth to have a word on genocide is making such an accusation against us, I am saying this with lawyers’ term, is against the natural flow of life. Let them first re-define Holocaust. Let them review Namibia massacre. What country are you addressing and what are you talking about?”

Referring to EU, Erdoğan also said: “We don’t want them to be hypocritical. Stop getting involved with issues concerning Armenians and terror organizations.”

What did you expect? The Turkish government are total a-holes who deny the Armenian Genocide. The US goes along with them, too. I wouldn't pay that much mind, coming from them.

 

[icehorse]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ves-islamist-extremists-report-thinktank-rusi

Lonewolf right wing (read white) extremists kill more people than single Islamic extremists. How are we supposed to twist this into "Islam is the worst"?

Strawman and false dilemma all at once, you've assuaged my fears.

 

[Aquitaine]

Why you think Turkey and Azerbaijan deny it,if really happened. ?

Governments and states lie when it suits there interests. Had the Nazis won WWII they'd be doing the same thing regarding the Holocaust.

The most world don't recognises as historic fact because it's very probably did not happened (fake story). but on contrary most of world recognises the Holocaust and crimes of Nazis.

Practically all of the developed world recognize it. The majority of those who haven't yet bothered to officially recognize it consist primarily of African and Middle-Eastern countries.

I bet , if they were Muslims you would not care,and you would not reply in first place !

I bet if it wasn't committed by a Muslim empire - or God forbid if it was committed by a Jewish empire - you would never be in such denial. Just imagine if the same allegations were against Israel . . .

Are we denying the systematic slaughter of Burmese Muslims? No.
Have I denied the many wrong things my country has done in history? No.
Am I denying the wrong things done by kuffar nations? No.
Are you denying the wrong things done by Muslim nations? Yes.

 

[Godobeyer]

Governments and states lie when it suits there interests. Had the Nazis won WWII they'd be doing the same thing regarding the Holocaust.

Also Western governments lie.

Practically all of the developed world recognize it. The majority of those who haven't yet bothered to officially recognize it consist primarily of African and Middle-Eastern countries.

Developed world sometimes in politic issues is lieing and hypocrite and sometimes evil and used double stander

I bet if it wasn't committed by a Muslim empire - or God forbid if it was committed by a Jewish empire - you would never be in such denial. Just imagine if the same allegations were against Israel . . .

Every one free to believe .

Are we denying the systematic slaughter of Burmese Muslims? No.
Have I denied the many wrong things my country has done in history? No.
Am I denying the wrong things done by kuffar nations? No.

This is the point , why West don't focus in present instead of past ?

Are you denying the wrong things done by Muslim nations? Yes.

in case of Ottoman,I suspect in the Western claim, it's about politic reputation more than historic facts.

I am free to believe.

 

[Aquitaine]

Also Western governments lie.



Developed world sometimes in politic issues is lieing and hypocrite and sometimes evil and used double stander


Every one free to believe .


This is the point , why West don't focus in present instead of past ?


in case of Ottoman,I suspect in the Western claim, it's about politic reputation more than historic facts.

I am free to believe.

Yes, "Western" governments lie: all governments lie under certain circumstances.
Not once have I denied this.

So what about the crimes that Israel has committed against the Palestinians, do you deny them and think the Palestinians are lying and trying to damage Israel's political reputation?

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, "Western" governments lie: all governments lie under certain circumstances.
Not once have I denied this.

So what about the crimes that Israel has committed against the Palestinians, do you deny them and think the Palestinians are lying and trying to damage Israel's political reputation?

Most of world agree on Israel crimes , Western governments don't stop Israel for doing that.instead of that
they encourage Israel by money and weapons and aircraftes ...etc.

Do you think that West is justice with Palestinians ? I don't think so.

 

[Aquitaine]

Most of world agree on Israel crimes , Western governments don't stop Israel for doing that.instead of that
they encourage Israel by money and weapons and aircraftes ...etc.

Do you think that West is justice with Palestinians ? I don't think so.

Hold on a second, a moment ago you stated that you believe most countries are likely to make false allegations to damage political reputations. . . what if those countries are conspiring against poor Israel? What if these crimes are fabricated?

 

[Godobeyer]

Hold on a second, a moment ago you stated that you believe most countries are likely to make false allegations to damage political reputations. . . what if those countries are conspiring against poor Israel? What if these crimes are fabricated?

What crimes are fabricated ?
They just condemn these crimes

 

[Aquitaine]

What crimes are fabricated ?
They just condemn these crimes

Aren't the crimes fabricated though?
Aren't all the condemnations nothing more than lies to damage the politcal reputation of Israel?
How do I know Israel's "crimes" are real and not fabricated?

 

[Godobeyer]

Aren't the crimes fabricated though?
Aren't all the condemnations nothing more than lies to damage the politcal reputation of Israel?
How do I know Israel's "crimes" are real and not fabricated?

Facts, and evidences.

everyone is free to believe or deny them or may support them(crimes).

 

[Aquitaine]

Facts, and evidences.

everyone is free to believe or deny them or may support them(crimes).

Yes, everyone is free to believe or not. But that's not what I'm asking you: where are your facts and evidence of Israeli crimes?

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, everyone is free to believe or not. But that's not what I'm asking you: where are your facts and evidence of Israeli crimes?

From Jews them selfs

 

[idav]

From Jews them selfs

I'm not one that lives in those regions but I often wonder what Israel has to go through being attacked by whatever country in an unstable region. I mean i have heard some pretty horrible things when it comes to war in that region. I'm not aware of any state in the U.S. that has to deal with the potential threat of missiles hitting the mainland on a daily basis.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm not one that lives in those regions but I often wonder what Israel has to go through being attacked by whatever country in an unstable region. I mean i have heard some pretty horrible things when it comes to war in that region. I'm not aware of any state in the U.S. that has to deal with the potential threat of missiles hitting the mainland on a daily basis.

Good point!

for your opinion US would bomb civilians of Canada or Mexico because some militian launch ineffective rockets?