You'll go to hell if you disobey my God

[Smart_Guy]

There're many religion in the world, some religion have the principle of "if you disobey my God then you'll go to hell or receive punishment".

Here is a conversation, believer from religion A-F preach to a non-believer.

Religion A: You must obey my God, otherwise you'll go to hell for forever.
Religion B: You must obey my God, otherwise you'll receive serious punishment from my God.
Religion C: You must obey my God, otherwise you'll be burning for forever.
Religion D: You must obey my God, otherwise you'll be agony for eternity.
Religion E: You must obey my God, otherwise you'll be regret forever.
Religion F: You must obey my God, otherwise you'll be curse by my God for eternity.

What worries me is what if one of those turn out to be true?

Anyways, there is also the following:
Religion A: If you obey my God, you'll go to heaven forever.
Religion B: If you obey my God, you'll receive serious rewards from my God.
Religion C: If you obey my God, you'll be happy forever.
Religion D: If you obey my God, you'll be in peace for eternity.
Religion E: If you obey my God, you'll be appreciate it forever.
Religion F: If you obey my God, you'll be loved by my God for eternity.

Half glass full

But what I believe in is that following a specific religion for believing it is the truth and good for oneself and for others is more important than doing so out of fear or love for what would come out of it, not that the latter is not a good reason for some people of course. If that level is reached, I believe it is the ultimate possible case scenario.

 

[JoStories]

Babylon. All false religious beliefs can be traced back to ancient Babylon. This is why "Babylon the great" features so prominently in the end time prophesies in the Bible book of Revelation. All religions, no matter what their persuasion, if they have beliefs that originated in ancient Babylon...they will be classified by God as coming under one umbrella....a single religious entity created by God's adversary, that encompasses the whole world.

The common thread of Babylonian beliefs can be seen in a hell or place of torment for the wicked, (often in flames). An immortal soul or spirit that departs from the body at death to end up in eternal bliss or eternal torment ( or in reincarnation). A multiplicity of gods or trinities of gods....and idols and images used in worship. Which world religion does that not describe?

This is not strictly true. Yes, some do say the it came from Sumerian and Babylonian sources, however, many others point to origins more in the Greco-Roman era and perhaps Egyptian lore. Additionally, Pagan religions, which predate all of the above, have long held the idea of hell, albeit vastly different than that of the more new ones.

 

[Jumi]

Which world religion does that not describe?

Many. In the native religion here it was believed that upon death you went to a place where there was no light and not much enjoyment. You basically became a zombie without a body, unless you were an exceptional person.

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. doesn't believe humans have an immortal soul .. doesn't believe we all end up in either a place of eternal bliss or eternal torment.....accepts Jesus as the savior of the world. .. so God will decide who has the necessary qualities to become citizens in his "new earth". (2 Pet 3:13, 14)

What happens to the temporary souls which do not have the necessary qualities? And if souls are not eternal, how long people will stay in God's 'new earth'? If there is no place of eternal bliss, what is this great saving? Do those souls which have the necessary qualities snuff out like the souls without the necessary qualities?

 

[Xenosaga Dragonzord]

in islam, hellfire is temporary for sinner muslim & tawhid people.........

hellfire is temporary prison & purification place for sinner tawhid/muslim, after that they will leave hell & enter lowest level of jannah paradise

all human who accept Tawhid & reject shirk aventually will leaving hell & enter paradise

insha Allah SWT

 

[Thief]

If I read your intent right then yes. Jehovah God wants ALL people to be disciplined into
a better spiritual frame of mind.
Discipline doesn't always mean punishment, it can be teaching, often is.

Yeah.
discipline in this life.
greater discipline in the next.

 

[JayJayDee]

This is not strictly true. Yes, some do say the it came from Sumerian and Babylonian sources, however, many others point to origins more in the Greco-Roman era and perhaps Egyptian lore. Additionally, Pagan religions, which predate all of the above, have long held the idea of hell, albeit vastly different than that of the more new ones.

Since Babylon was the springboard for all false religious belief, after the flood of Noah's day, tracing the beliefs that ended up in Greco-Roman and Egyptian cultures will still lead you back to Babylon.

 

[Jumi]

in islam, hellfire is temporary for sinner muslim & tawhid people.........

hellfire is temporary prison & purification place for sinner tawhid/muslim, after that they will leave hell & enter lowest level of jannah paradise

But those who don't believe in Gods even if they are better people than "sinner tawhid/muslim" will burn forever according to your belief?

 

[JayJayDee]

What happens to the temporary souls which do not have the necessary qualities?

There are no "temporary souls". The word "soul" as used in the Hebrew Scriptures, means a living breathing creature. It is never disembodied. The soul is the whole creature, whether animals or human. The Bible does not teach continuing life after death. It does not teach that the dead become spirits and go somewhere else. Death is death, not another form of life.

And if souls are not eternal, how long people will stay in God's 'new earth'?

Mortal beings were designed to live on earth forever.....but they need external things like water food and air to keep living. All of these things were provided by the Creator in abundance. Living forever is not the same as immortality. Only spirit beings can be immortal, which means that they need nothing of an external nature to exist. There is nothing that can cause their death.
God chose certain ones from among mankind to rule with his son in heaven. Only these chosen ones will become immortal spirit beings.
The new earth will be cleansed of all who practise wickedness and those who do not want God as ruler over them.
There will be no rebels.

If there is no place of eternal bliss, what is this great saving?

The new earth will be a paradise, restored to the way God meant it to be in the beginning. Living in it and enjoying peaceful relations with God, fellow humans and with the animals who share our planet, will be a pleasure....an unending one for those who continue to obey the Creator. (Whose laws are always for our benefit)

Do those souls which have the necessary qualities snuff out like the souls without the necessary qualities?

Death is the same "sleep" for all....both righteous and unrighteous. Animals too experience the sleep of death. The only difference with humankind is that God promises to awaken them in the new earth.

 

[JayJayDee]

Many. In the native religion here it was believed that upon death you went to a place where there was no light and not much enjoyment. You basically became a zombie without a body, unless you were an exceptional person.

Sounds awful I like the idea of a peaceful sleep.
How could heaven be a happy place if those who go there are looking down and seeing us here, powerless to stop all the things that cause us harm and brief. My biggest concern when I lost my father was the distress he would have been feeling at being separated from us. When I found out that he was just sleeping, it was a relief.

 

[JayJayDee]

But those who don't believe in Gods even if they are better people than "sinner tawhid/muslim" will burn forever according to your belief?

Maybe in Islam but not according to the Bible. There is no burning hell. That is not a Christian teaching...that is a Catholic teaching that was perpetuated by Protestanism. Please don't confuse Christendom with Christianity.

Those who fail to obey the Creator will simply forfeit their lives. What point is there in keeping the wicked alive only to torture them? God is not a fiend. If people don't want to live under his rulership, he will not force them to do so.

 

[Aupmanyav]

@ JayJayDee

You have replaced the word ‘soul’ with ‘spirit’. What difference does it make? Of course, I understand that Abrahamic religions do not relish rebellions.

‘The new earth will be a paradise’. What stopped God from creating a heaven in the first place in the way he wanted it? Then there would have been no need for a deluge, the umpteen prophets that he sent, the immaculate conception, and the son to be crucified. What happens if God’s new plan misfires the way the old ones did? We are still exactly there where we were. Seems that your God is unable to successfully complete the job that he takes up. I hope God chooses to wake up your father, of course, there is no problem in your case. You would be woken up.

 

[Nakosis]

They go to hell. The hell of Islam is much bigger and nastier than the Xian hell.

This seems to me to have been adopted from later Christian beliefs. Obviously this was neither Jewish nor early Christian beliefs.

 

[Pudding]

And there're some believer feels that non-believer have the obligation to obey their religion's God's moral/law, otherwise non-believer will be condemn and being dehumanize by those self-righteous believer.

This is the extra problem some believer give to non-believer.

Believer A: Do you(non-believer) obey my religion's God's moral/law? If you do obey, then you're a good person and you'll go to heaven. If you disobey, then you're immoral sinner pitiful evil human, you'll go to hell.

Believer B: Believer A is a misguided and false believer. We should't blame the religion, the religion's intent is good, we should only blame those misguided and false believer.

Believer A: No, i'm a true believer who believe in a true God.

......

Believer A: I'm not comdemn or dehumanize any non-believer, i'm just stating truth, i just want to help non-believer to become a moral and happy person and help them go to heaven.

......

 

[Jumi]

Sounds awful I like the idea of a peaceful sleep.

Yes I think it kept regular people focused on this life and protecting their lives and loved ones. You didn't want them to go away into the haze.

Then you had a resurrection for some heroes as with this guy, whose mother according to some mythical poetry put his body back together to bring him back...

Well permanent sleep what most expect to have these days, I think.

How could heaven be a happy place if those who go there are looking down and seeing us here, powerless to stop all the things that cause us harm and brief. My biggest concern when I lost my father was the distress he would have been feeling at being separated from us. When I found out that he was just sleeping, it was a relief.

It would certainly not be a happy place if not all the people you wanted to be there with you were not, but were roasting in torment forever somewhere else.

Those who fail to obey the Creator will simply forfeit their lives. What point is there in keeping the wicked alive only to torture them? God is not a fiend. If people don't want to live under his rulership, he will not force them to do so.

Well that sounds like a more pleasant God than the type I was taught about when I was a protestant. I was born into it, never believed in it though. What about atheists who don't have any reason to believe in a creator? Do they share the fate of the wicked in your belief?

 

[jeager106]

This seems to me to have been adopted from later Christian beliefs. Obviously this was neither Jewish nor early Christian beliefs.

Christianity, for practical purposed started in the 1st century and became somewhat
organized at the 1st council of Nicea around 325 A.D. with the collecting of written
works compiled into a bible. Muhammad didn't invent Islam until the 7th century
and would have been familiar with Jewish Laws and now very tainted Christendom.
Likely he got the notion of hell from the Christians who were already espousing
bad doctrine and using hell to scare hell out of people.

 

[Nakosis]

Christianity, for practical purposed started in the 1st century and became somewhat
organized at the 1st council of Nicea around 325 A.D. with the collecting of written
works compiled into a bible. Muhammad didn't invent Islam until the 7th century
and would have been familiar with Jewish Laws and now very tainted Christendom.
Likely he got the notion of hell from the Christians who were already espousing
bad doctrine and using hell to scare hell out of people.

Fear is a good motivator, it keeps people in check. It allows the control of others. People who find themselves in a position of leadership use it as a successful tactic.

Maybe that was part of what Jesus was trying to get across, for people to overcome their fears.

And, somehow people managed to corrupt that message.

 

[jeager106]

Fear is a good motivator, it keeps people in check. It allows the control of others. People who find themselves in a position of leadership use it as a successful tactic.

Maybe that was part of what Jesus was trying to get across, for people to overcome their fears.

And, somehow people managed to corrupt that message.

Yes^^^ this is a great point.
The "message" has been corrupted for centuries and has morphed into thinly veiled
paganism.

 

[Nakosis]

Yes^^^ this is a great point.
The "message" has been corrupted for centuries and has morphed into thinly veiled
paganism.

Ok but then how do we really know what the message was? I can intellectually try to discern it, but there are no guarantees I'm getting it right. There is a lot of separation between then and now. I'm somewhat aware of this "pagan" influence. What about the influences I'm not aware of.

Especially if we only have one life to figure it out. Is there something important here to get correct or is it a matter of getting it correct enough?

 

[JoStories]

Since Babylon was the springboard for all false religious belief, after the flood of Noah's day, tracing the beliefs that ended up in Greco-Roman and Egyptian cultures will still lead you back to Babylon.

Sorry, incorrect. You seem to have forgotten the Vedas and Upanishads which clearly predate all other faiths outside of ancient pagan rites. And what makes you think Babylon was false? It is, after all, the springboard of your own faith along with the aforementioned Hindu sacred texts. You might want to believe such notions but that doesn't make them true.