Jollybear
Hey
Sounds like a philosophical response.
Oh even all those things are designed too. It all works together as one big eco system.
Theres various kinds of plains and plains did evolve over time. But, there designed.
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Your Best Argument for God's Existence
- Thread starter ftacky
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Sounds like a philosophical response.
Oh even all those things are designed too. It all works together as one big eco system.
Theres various kinds of plains and plains did evolve over time. But, there designed.
Jollybear
Hey
"You're"
Never was any sort of religionist.
If you've no interest / curiosity re
things like the histoty if earth, you
dont. I've a idea to explore here,
so tty this- do you think thete really
wasva Noahs ark?
Yes, i think there was a noahs ark.
Jollybear
Hey
Correct. Design does not give evidence of any particular God. Thats true. Design is just evidence that a intelligence made it.
How we figure out what kind of God did it is by using philosophy and studying spiritual experiences (particularly NDEs).
Jollybear
Hey
So many Signs.
You believe in flying saucers?
Yes, my mom saw one.
Undecided.
Yes.
Yes, the lizard people!
Yes.
Dont know what that is.
Audie
Veteran Member
So I think we can agree, re your statement about how them
atheidts wont look at evidence, that evidence is of no actual
intetest to you.
Whivh is fine, I am sure your profession is not dependent
on data analysis.
Audie
Veteran Member
Yes, my mom saw one.
Undecided.
Yes.
Yes, the lizard people!
Yes.
Dont know what that is.
Look it up! (That ye may believe!
)
Jollybear
Hey
I think some atheists deny evidence, and some atheists misinterprete data.
Jollybear
Hey
Look it up! (That ye may believe!
My mom seen a UFO. Big triangle, close up.
Audie
Veteran Member
And some are are bank robbers.
There is no data for "god", so tough to misread it.
ALL creationists deny or misinterpret data, if, that is,
they are ever exposed to any.
Audie
Veteran Member
Did you look up chupacabre?
Jollybear
Hey
Lol, if there ever exposed to any? Boy, the denial is hard.
I looked up the chupacabre, its a doglike thingy.
#Philosophy
- **Dualism/Idealism:** Most Setians are Dualistic, seeing consciousness and matter as two separate but existent things (Set and Horus respectively). Some are idealists, meaning they believe consciousness is foundational and matter does not actually exist. Setianism is incompatible with materialism, the position that only matter exists.
- **Nature vs. Non-Nature:** Nature is the deterministic, material, objective, mindless, universal cosmos of logic, math, and physics. The Unnatural is the autonomous, immaterial, subjective, conscious, personal universe of the mind. These are seen as separate due to the reasons below.
- **Property Dualism:**
> [1] The mind/consciousness and the brain/matter have different properties (Property Dualism). [2] Things with non-identical properties cannot be the same thing (The Law of Identity). [3] Therefore, the mind/consciousness and the brain/matter cannot be the same thing.
- **The Certainty of Consciousness:**
> [1] Our own mind is the only thing we can be absolutely certain exists and is the only thing we can ever know directly. [2] Matter is only known through the mind. [3] We cannot reduce something we know directly to something we know through it, and we cannot reduce something we know with certainty for something we are uncertain of. [4] Therefore, we cannot reduce the mind and consciousness to matter and the brain... Without a mind or consciousness the very concept of “knowing” or “being aware of something” makes no sense. If you were not a conscious mind you could not know or learn anything. Matter is one of these things you could not know or learn about.
# Science
- **Manipulation of Nature:** such as
>Another piece of empirical evidence is the ability for the human mind to manipulate nature. This can be seen in examples such as using advanced chemistry to make highly advanced medication that would never arise in nature without such a mind, or in our ability to level mountains for cities and roads, to stop up rivers and obliterate (or regrow) forests... Deterministic systems like nature do not manipulate themselves in such a way, it is within the "programming" to act in a specific, linear, and entirely predictable way (which is why we are able to test things consistently with the scientific method).
- **Contradiction of Nature:**
>Self-regulation, for example, is a well-known aspect of the human mind which requires us to be aware of our deterministic nature, catch it, and act differently...thanks to our consciousness and free will we can self-regulate – we become aware of this natural desire, the response our body is making towards our coworker or stranger, and then… we can simply choose not to follow it.. Placebos are another example of this, where you are given something that explicitly causes no change to the deterministic system (placebos by definition do not cause physiological change). However, the mental belief that one is being aided can cause actual, objective change in the physiology of the body, such as with pain. The mind causes physiological change to the system.
- **The Upper Paleolithic Revolution:**
>...humans existed as a species, physically/biologically, for around 150,000 years without any advances in higher consciousness. We were another animal, very slowly learning to interact with the world we lived in within a purely animalistic/survivalist mindset. Then, rather suddenly, came abstract thought, art, religion, jewelry, and eventually things like language and alphabets, cities and cultures. Our consciousness greatly leapt forwards, and began exponentially increasing on such a level that it still hasn't stopped.
- **Dualism/Idealism:** Most Setians are Dualistic, seeing consciousness and matter as two separate but existent things (Set and Horus respectively). Some are idealists, meaning they believe consciousness is foundational and matter does not actually exist. Setianism is incompatible with materialism, the position that only matter exists.
- **Nature vs. Non-Nature:** Nature is the deterministic, material, objective, mindless, universal cosmos of logic, math, and physics. The Unnatural is the autonomous, immaterial, subjective, conscious, personal universe of the mind. These are seen as separate due to the reasons below.
- **Property Dualism:**
> [1] The mind/consciousness and the brain/matter have different properties (Property Dualism). [2] Things with non-identical properties cannot be the same thing (The Law of Identity). [3] Therefore, the mind/consciousness and the brain/matter cannot be the same thing.
- **The Certainty of Consciousness:**
> [1] Our own mind is the only thing we can be absolutely certain exists and is the only thing we can ever know directly. [2] Matter is only known through the mind. [3] We cannot reduce something we know directly to something we know through it, and we cannot reduce something we know with certainty for something we are uncertain of. [4] Therefore, we cannot reduce the mind and consciousness to matter and the brain... Without a mind or consciousness the very concept of “knowing” or “being aware of something” makes no sense. If you were not a conscious mind you could not know or learn anything. Matter is one of these things you could not know or learn about.
# Science
- **Manipulation of Nature:** such as
>Another piece of empirical evidence is the ability for the human mind to manipulate nature. This can be seen in examples such as using advanced chemistry to make highly advanced medication that would never arise in nature without such a mind, or in our ability to level mountains for cities and roads, to stop up rivers and obliterate (or regrow) forests... Deterministic systems like nature do not manipulate themselves in such a way, it is within the "programming" to act in a specific, linear, and entirely predictable way (which is why we are able to test things consistently with the scientific method).
- **Contradiction of Nature:**
>Self-regulation, for example, is a well-known aspect of the human mind which requires us to be aware of our deterministic nature, catch it, and act differently...thanks to our consciousness and free will we can self-regulate – we become aware of this natural desire, the response our body is making towards our coworker or stranger, and then… we can simply choose not to follow it.. Placebos are another example of this, where you are given something that explicitly causes no change to the deterministic system (placebos by definition do not cause physiological change). However, the mental belief that one is being aided can cause actual, objective change in the physiology of the body, such as with pain. The mind causes physiological change to the system.
- **The Upper Paleolithic Revolution:**
>...humans existed as a species, physically/biologically, for around 150,000 years without any advances in higher consciousness. We were another animal, very slowly learning to interact with the world we lived in within a purely animalistic/survivalist mindset. Then, rather suddenly, came abstract thought, art, religion, jewelry, and eventually things like language and alphabets, cities and cultures. Our consciousness greatly leapt forwards, and began exponentially increasing on such a level that it still hasn't stopped.
Audie
Veteran Member
Not everyone had more than a church version
of things, especially in 3rd world countries.
Dunno what your lol or hard denial is even about.
Those who do have access to information do of
course have to deny, evade, or misinterpret data
if they wish to remain creationists.
To deny data on "god" I would have to first see
some data.
of things, especially in 3rd world countries.
Dunno what your lol or hard denial is even about.
Those who do have access to information do of
course have to deny, evade, or misinterpret data
if they wish to remain creationists.
To deny data on "god" I would have to first see
some data.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Philosophical ideas are all over the place. Are there any philosophers in particular that you are looking at? Don't know much about NDEs but supposedly when our brain starts to shut down there is something that looks like a light with darkness around it. It looks like a tunnel.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
But logically speaking that does not mean God does not exist since there is no reason to think that there would ever be verifiable evidence for an unknowable God. In fact, if we ever had verifiable evidence, we would know it was not of God.
In short, God does not want to prove He exists to us. He wants us to prove to ourselves that He exists. Once we have done that, we know.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Then there are also the Manifestations of God such as Jesus.
They are the best evidence of all, Imo.
Because there are no empirical signs of God, the anecdotal reports are unsupported, and the usual 'signs can be explained by ordinary, natural mechanisms.
Silly. Atheists aren't evolutionary biologists and few people who believe in evolution give theology a second thought.
Not when there's a natural, observable alternative.[/QUOTE]
Why are they evidence? There are no first person accounts of him, or any empirical evidence.Then there are also the Manifestations of God such as Jesus.
They are the best evidence of all, Imo.