Your biggest intellectual compromise for faith

[waitasec]

What about option 3: "Your kid grows up a wimp and becomes a serial killer, going on a massive killing spree in Los Angeles, ending in him being riddled with bullets on a busy freeway"?

what are you saying?

 

[tarasan]

Frankly, so are phrases in the form of "God could ..." or "God can ..."


That's one interpretation.

thats one interpretation used by people who are ignorant of the the theology the attributes of God are housed in. That interpretation has never been used by any good theologians

 

[Willamena]

what are you saying?

I'm saying that the options offered present a false dichotomy, that there is much more to the question, as well as to the issue, than the simplistic "God could make it good for us" argument.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

haha

I have told one of my professors that I don't "do" theology, I do biblical interpretation.

His response was - "Well, until you do, you won't have any peace. And when you do, it will be awesome."

And I see here that none of you can "do" theology either. Quite a comfort.

 

[tarasan]

haha

I have told one of my professors that I don't "do" theology, I do biblical interpretation.

His response was - "Well, until you do, you won't have any peace. And when you do, it will be awesome."

And I see here that none of you can "do" theology either. Quite a comfort.

what are you say that taking my interpretation of Omnipotience from Perfect being theology isnt doing theology?

 

[Willamena]

haha

I have told one of my professors that I don't "do" theology, I do biblical interpretation.

His response was - "Well, until you do, you won't have any peace. And when you do, it will be awesome."

And I see here that none of you can "do" theology either. Quite a comfort.

I wouldn't know a theology if it jumped up and bit me on the nose.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I wouldn't know a theology if it jumped up and bit me on the nose.

.......

 

[PolyHedral]

I'm saying that the options offered present a false dichotomy, that there is much more to the question, as well as to the issue, than the simplistic "God could make it good for us" argument.

But the option you presented will never happen unless God wants it to. If God wants us to be good individuals, that can be done with or without suffering. Why is suffering there if it not necessary?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

what are you say that taking my interpretation of Omnipotience from Perfect being theology isnt doing theology?

Precisely.

 

[tarasan]

Precisely.

well then what am i Doing???!!

im blonde, cold and afriad...


help me.....

 

[Magic Man]

it doesnt have to be just improving, yourself it could be down to purely experience, understanding a world run by ourselvse, anything.

not that im taking that statement as it is cause it sounds rather silly, God would have to force you and comprise your free will to make number two possible, forcing you to be nice. If God wants you to have free will then he must use situations rather than force to adapt us.

ultiamtely in Order to prove my statement that those two omnis arnt mutulally exclusibe you must show how there can no be good reason, of course you must do this without violating either one of the omnis and you were very close that time.

But who needs free will? I'd rather live in heaven. I'd rather God just get rid of pain and suffering, and let us all be happy all the time while still understanding the world. Since he's omnipotent, that's within his power.

 

[Magic Man]

What about option 3: "Your kid grows up a wimp and becomes a serial killer, going on a massive killing spree in Los Angeles, ending in him being riddled with bullets on a busy freeway"?

What about it?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

well then what am i Doing???!!

im blonde, cold and afriad...

help me.....

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean it as an insult.

I think that you're engaging in apologetics with a basic understanding of a theology that you haven't thoughtfully engaged. I do think that you have some excellent posts, but you're not doing theology.

 

[Magic Man]

I'm saying that the options offered present a false dichotomy, that there is much more to the question, as well as to the issue, than the simplistic "God could make it good for us" argument.

It's not a false dichotomy. Currently there are more options for the outcomes for my kids, but the point was if I was given those two choices, that's what I'd pick. God had those two choices, since he's omnipotent, but he still chose pain and suffering for us.

 

[tarasan]

But who needs free will? I'd rather live in heaven. I'd rather God just get rid of pain and suffering, and let us all be happy all the time while still understanding the world. Since he's omnipotent, that's within his power.

well if you had no free will you wouldnt be you. you wouldnt exist it would essentially be God controling a body.

again God by definition of omnipotience cant fail and cant be imperfect. even if u were to ask him to do the illogical or other aspects of imperfection/failure he would not be able to do it. look up perfect being theology, that is were omnipotience should be placed as that is its context..

 

[tarasan]

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean it as an insult.

I think that you're engaging in apologetics with a basic understanding of a theology that you haven't thoughtfully engaged. I do think that you have some excellent posts, but you're not doing theology.

I accept that I have a basic understanding of the concept of the nature of God and i plan on doing alot of indepth study of it, if you have any critical thoughts on what im saying go ahead and give me a heads up, i like learning especailly when im wrong.

i dont have much face left to lose

 

[Magic Man]

well if you had no free will you wouldnt be you. you wouldnt exist it would essentially be God controling a body.

That's not necessarily the case. Do you believe in heaven? If so, then this assumption by you is incorrect. If we are individuals in heaven, and heaven is a perfect place where you are eternally happy, then why can't God just send us straight there?

again God by definition of omnipotience cant fail and cant be imperfect.

This was already addressed as just a semantic problem. Yes, God can't make a square circle. However, God could make us individuals who are perfectly happy without pain and suffering. That's within the realm of omnipotence.

even if u were to ask him to do the illogical or other aspects of imperfection/failure he would not be able to do it. look up perfect being theology, that is were omnipotience should be placed as that is its context..

I'm not asking him to do anything illogical. I'm the one trying to use logic to explain how you're doing mental backflips.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I accept that I have a basic understanding of the concept of the nature of God and i plan on doing alot of indepth study of it, if you have any critical thoughts on what im saying go ahead and give me a heads up, i like learning especailly when im wrong.

i dont have much face left to lose

Thanks for taking my criticism constructively (as it was intended).

 

[kingsherald]

There has to be one or two. Do you believe in the Trinity? That 3=1 and 1=3?

Will you throw away the hope of your salvation, the forgiveness of sins and eternal life, because you cannot understand the doctrine of the Trinity?

 

[Magic Man]

Will you throw away the hope of your salvation, the forgiveness of sins and eternal life, because you cannot understand the doctrine of the Trinity?

I won't. But since there's no such hope to throw away, I think I'm good.