Your Favorite Prophecy? Question for all religions

[LuisDantas]

Not sure it qualifies as a prophecy, but I like the Primal Vow of Amitabha Buddha

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[LuisDantas]

Were the buildings in Dubai made by unclothed shephards competing with each other? It is a strange idea, I have never seen such things done. Maybe we are not close to the last hour.

Pretty good point.

 

[leibowde84]

No, he means competition over who makes the tallest buildings. Such competition exist today specialy amongst Arabs.




But you are atheist lol

This thread is not for atheists tho. It says Prophecy & religions. Wrong thread

There is competition (or a "bid process") for the vast majority of construction projects as there was when Muhammad was living. Again, I ask, how is that impressive?

 

[Politesse]

I thought this was an odd question, until I realized that I actually have a favorite prophecy. Jesus promised that "Truly, there is nothing hidden now that will not one day be revealed." I've always drawn a bit of comfort from that thought.

 

[FearGod]

You mean calculation? Of course the Egyptians and others used mathematics when designing the tall buildings. They were not stupid.

Sorry for the mistake, i meant competition as stated in the hadith, not only tall buildings but a competition for who makes the tallest one, exactly that is what happening today.

 

[FearGod]

Were the buildings in Dubai made by unclothed shephards competing with each other? It is a strange idea, I have never seen such things done. Maybe we are not close to the last hour.

Not hard to understand as it means they were very poor and such changes were rapid from poorness to richness.

 

[Augustus]

The hadith is about Arabs who walked barefoot and one day will compete with each other in constructing high buildings.
But u said Arabs were already doing that in the time of prophet pbuh.

Tall buildings to bedouins 7thC were probably 2 story houses.

Basically, 'Bedouins will become settled and build big houses to display their worldly wealth' illustrating the corruption of their souls. All 'coming of the hour' prophecies all clearly relate to the late antique Middle East so they should be interpreted in that context. If you had lived 1400 years ago you would be pointing out these houses to people and saying 'wow, what an amazing prophecy', but 1400 years later we are still waiting for the hour.

Religious believers have always expected the imminent apocalypse and have always been wrong. Just like you, they all thought they were 'special', but just like you, they will prove to have been wrong.

 

[Whiterain]

I don't know. Prophecy is like psychic premonition, it should be exercised. The only problem is relying on one's integrity that they're not fibbin you.

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While the (Dire wolf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is long extinct, finding the remains of an even more gigantic wolf would be splendid.

That's the ebb and flow of karma(?), I guess, with people learning about the Great Wolf so will they learn about the other God beasts, The Serpent and even the Phoenix, the Thunderbird and the Gods pantheons..

Animalism was one of the first religious practices to unfortunately undergo abolition.

I saw a meteor coming, where's my fortune.

 

[leibowde84]

Sorry for the mistake, i meant competition as stated in the hadith, not only tall buildings but a competition for who makes the tallest one, exactly that is what happening today.

This is not an impressive prophecy. People at the time of Muhammad were already competing for the largest structures. It seems pretty obvious that in the future people would be doing the same thing. Are there any prophecies from Muhammad that aren't so vague and obvious?

 

[Augustus]

Sorry for the mistake, i meant competition as stated in the hadith, not only tall buildings but a competition for who makes the tallest one, exactly that is what happening today.

It should also be pointed out that the prophecy is contingent upon these tall building being a sign of the last hour, which, unless I missed it, hasn't happened yet.

Up to this point, it is 100% unremarkable. Come back when the hour starts and then we can evaluate if it is anything to get excited about.

 

[Jumi]

No, he means competition over who makes the tallest buildings. Such competition exist today specialy amongst Arabs.

So you think today's Arabs fulfill the prophecy?? Really?

This thread is not for atheists tho. It says Prophecy & religions. Wrong thread

Oh, you should have said it on the thread, or posted it on Abrahamic religions. It's posted now on debates and I thought everyone was welcome.

 

[Jumi]

Sorry for the mistake, i meant competition as stated in the hadith, not only tall buildings but a competition for who makes the tallest one, exactly that is what happening today.

I think the ancients were already competing who makes more impressive buildings to their god or themselves. The Pyramids is a good example.

Not hard to understand as it means they were very poor and such changes were rapid from poorness to richness.

I thought it was literal. There was rapid rise from poor to rich many times in different parts of the world, almost always accompanied by making bigger more impressive buildings. We also have countries that are today poor and can no longer create what they made thousand years ago.

 

[LuisDantas]

But you are atheist lol

This thread is not for atheists tho. It says Prophecy & religions. Wrong thread

Excuse me? Why would an atheist be apart from prophecies or religions?

 

[FearGod]

I think the ancients were already competing who makes more impressive buildings to their god or themselves. The Pyramids is a good example.


I thought it was literal. There was rapid rise from poor to rich many times in different parts of the world, almost always accompanied by making bigger more impressive buildings. We also have countries that are today poor and can no longer create what they made thousand years ago.

I believe it to be an amazing prophecy and i understand it very well to be so, how you think of it is returns to you.

 

[raph]

I find this very good:

Almost 150 years ago Baha'u'llah said:

"A strange and wonderful instrument exists in the earth; but it is concealed from the minds and souls. It is an instrument which has the power to change the atmosphere of the whole earth, and its infection causes destruction." (Lights of Guidance, #1585)

"Split the atom's heart, and Lo!
within it thou wilt find a sun."

This prophecy was reiterated by 'Abdu'l-Baha in an interview which he gave to the Japanese Ambassador in Spain, Viscount Arawaka, and his wife, during his sojourn in Paris-October, December, 1911, and recorded by Lady Blomfield. He said:

"Scientific discoveries have greatly increased material civilization. There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily, undiscovered by man. Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science until Spiritual Civilization, i.e. the Kingdom, shall dominate the human mind. In the hands of men of lower material nature, this power would be able to destroy the whole earth."

 

[FearGod]

I find this very good:

Almost 150 years ago Baha'u'llah said:

"A strange and wonderful instrument exists in the earth; but it is concealed from the minds and souls. It is an instrument which has the power to change the atmosphere of the whole earth, and its infection causes destruction." (Lights of Guidance, #1585)

"Split the atom's heart, and Lo!
within it thou wilt find a sun."

This prophecy was reiterated by 'Abdu'l-Baha in an interview which he gave to the Japanese Ambassador in Spain, Viscount Arawaka, and his wife, during his sojourn in Paris-October, December, 1911, and recorded by Lady Blomfield. He said:

"Scientific discoveries have greatly increased material civilization. There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily, undiscovered by man. Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science until Spiritual Civilization, i.e. the Kingdom, shall dominate the human mind. In the hands of men of lower material nature, this power would be able to destroy the whole earth."

Do you think any atheist will disagree with you ?
I don't think so, but who knows......., just to prove me wrong.

 

[raph]

Do you think any atheist will disagree with you ?
I don't think so, but who knows......., just to prove me wrong.

The atheists would probably say that he was lucky to say that. Because destructable forces were getting better and better, which makes it probable, that a force which could destroy the whole earth would be discovered. Also they will probably say, that inside of the atom's core we don't find a sun ^^
But I think that atheists/everyone would just laugh at this prophecy 150 years ago. As far as I know, there was not a single sign of such a force in science.

 

[FearGod]

The atheists would probably say that he was lucky to say that. Because destructable forces were getting better and better, which makes it probable, that a force which could destroy the whole earth would be discovered. Also they will probably say, that inside of the atom's core we don't find a sun ^^
But I think that atheists/everyone would just laugh at this prophecy 150 years ago. As far as I know, there was not a single sign of such a force in science.

From my experience atheists have no problem with Baha'ullah, so they won't agree or disagree.

 

[LuisDantas]

The atheists would probably say that he was lucky to say that. Because destructable forces were getting better and better, which makes it probable, that a force which could destroy the whole earth would be discovered.
But I think that atheists would laugh at this prophecy 150 years ago.

This one atheist says that this part is a bit too vague and general a prediction to be very impressive. It does not even state whether people are likely to eventually find this instrument or have any form of understanding or control over it.

As a matter of fact, it sounds a lot more like a very general description of disease or plague than anything else.

"A strange and wonderful instrument exists in the earth; but it is concealed from the minds and souls. It is an instrument which has the power to change the atmosphere of the whole earth, and its infection causes destruction." (Lights of Guidance, #1585)

This part needs some context. Your post makes it look like it isn't from 150 years ago. What would the source be? In which language was it originally said, and what were the terms translated here as "atom" and "sun"?

At first glance, and taken by itself, it looks like a variation of the mystical saying that "as above, so below". It is not at all clear whether it is supposed to have any form of literal significance.

"Split the atom's heart, and Lo!
within it thou wilt find a sun."

As for the 1911 statement by Abdul Baha, I find it positively disappointing. It does not really say anything of practical use or of clear meaning. Most people in 1911 would say that scientific discoveries are impressive, and the rest of what he says is in essence a statement of lack of faith on humanity. A naive one, IMO.

"Scientific discoveries have greatly increased material civilization. There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily, undiscovered by man. Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science until Spiritual Civilization, i.e. the Kingdom, shall dominate the human mind. In the hands of men of lower material nature, this power would be able to destroy the whole earth."

 

[LuisDantas]

From my experience atheists have no problem with Baha'ullah, so they won't agree or disagree.

I don't have a problem with Baha'ullah, but I don't share his unquestioning theism either.