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Bodhisattva in Recovery
So what, precisely, does modern psychology have to do with the fraud known as Dianetics/Scientology?
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Your least favorite Scripture
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siti
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Perhaps not - but maybe we could start with the people who continue to adhere to drastically simplistic bronze age solutions for modern society's complex problems - don't you think?
Grandliseur
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I can explain it for you if you like. However, for most it makes little difference since it more or less requires acceptance of a Biblical perspective.
But, I have the explanation, in case you desire it.
Grandliseur
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Oops, you want to start with knocking me off !
Don't really mind it if it could be done without much pain. In some ways, I am a Christian fundamentalist, but the Mosaic law is not enforced any longer.
There is no record in scripture of that particular solution mentioned here ever having been employed, btw.
siti
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How can you be a fundamentalist "in some ways"? Does that mean you believe God hates 'faggots' but doesn't mind too much if he sees you tucking in to a ham sandwich or a prawn cocktail? I'm trying to stay on topic here and the Bible does, literally (fundamentally,) condemn all of these does it not? (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 11:7, Leviticus 11:12) So how do you decide in which ways to be fundamentalist and in which ways to be more liberal (if I dare accuse you of that) in your interpretation?
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Grandliseur
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As you said, the thread topic won't permit me going into this. If you want to, I can answer you on another thread or conversation. However, whatever such a discussion brings to light - may not mean that we agree. But, feel free to engage me in this subject.
siti
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OK - but for the record, these Levitical restrictions of personal liberty are among my least favourite scriptures - the pork and prawn ones not so much - I'm not particularly fond of either and I suspect these were more in the nature of Israelite agriculture and fisheries policy than protecting the holiness of the people...and its relatively harmless - nobody was ever driven to suicide for lack of a pork chop...As you said, the thread topic won't permit me going into this. If you want to, I can answer you on another thread or conversation. However, whatever such a discussion brings to light - may not mean that we agree. But, feel free to engage me in this subject.
...but for sure the bronze age "God hates faggots" meme has caused and continues to cause untold misery for millions of people.
Guess which one Christian fundamentalists choose to uphold?
Surely asking how come this is the least favourite scriptural injunction for many and the almost the be all and end all of Biblical morality for others is a pertinent question in this thread? Wouldn't you say?
Grandliseur
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It would seem so. Of course, if you realize that the NT is what Christians rely on for their restrictions, the question then becomes what things does the NT contain as permissible that the OT dis-permits. This is where much of the disagreement of non believers and believers happen and even exists among various denominations. With the astronomical number of denominations, it is each to his own with their own reasons also.
I'm a 'by the Bible' person; funny that this has meant that I now no longer belong to any denomination. However, my own flaws have not become less evident by this, only more poignant. So, I can say, mimicking Paul - kind of, that with my mind I know the scriptures and their requirements, but my body has a hell of a time following my mind.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Verses I hates from al-Qur'an . . .
Surah Ali Imran 34: "But they plan, and Allah plans. Allah is the best of planners"
Surah an-Nahl 97: "Whoever does righteous deeds, man or woman who believes. We will grant them a happy life."
My favorites would be . . .
Surah al-Baqarah 223: "Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."
Surah an-Nisa 34 "Men are the maintainers of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have spent of their wealth. Righteous women are obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. Those from whom you fear rebelliousness, admonish them and desert them in the bed and beat them (without harshness). Then, if they obey you, do not look for any way against them. Allah is High, Great."
al-Hijr 99: "And worship your lord until there comes unto you the certainty of death."
Surah Ali Imran 34: "But they plan, and Allah plans. Allah is the best of planners"
Surah an-Nahl 97: "Whoever does righteous deeds, man or woman who believes. We will grant them a happy life."
My favorites would be . . .
Surah al-Baqarah 223: "Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."
Surah an-Nisa 34 "Men are the maintainers of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have spent of their wealth. Righteous women are obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. Those from whom you fear rebelliousness, admonish them and desert them in the bed and beat them (without harshness). Then, if they obey you, do not look for any way against them. Allah is High, Great."
al-Hijr 99: "And worship your lord until there comes unto you the certainty of death."
James 5:11....
Amazing that you misunderstand it so completely. The Devil did that, not Jehovah God.
Unfortunately, the KJV doesn’t reveal the accurate words that Jesus apparently used. That’s why it’s beneficial to read other translations, to get the correct view. From BibleHub:
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New Living Translation
and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.
English Standard Version
and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Berean Study Bible
and come out--those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Berean Literal Bible
and will come forth--those having done good to the resurrection of life, and those having done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
New American Standard Bible
and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
and come out--those who have done good things, to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked things, to the resurrection of judgment.
New Heart English Bible
and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And they shall come out: those who have done good things, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil deeds, to the resurrection of judgment.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
and they will come out of their tombs. Those who have done good will come back to life and live. But those who have done evil will come back to life and will be judged.
New American Standard 1977
and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Jubilee Bible 2000
and those that have done good shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but those that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
American Standard Version
and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
Darby Bible Translation
and shall go forth; those that have practised good, to resurrection of life, and those that have done evil, to resurrection of judgment.
English Revised Version
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done ill, unto the resurrection of judgment.
Weymouth New Testament
they who have done what is right to the resurrection of Life, and they whose actions have been evil to the resurrection of judgement.
World English Bible
and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
Young's Literal Translation
and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a rising again of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment.
To resurrect someone, only to send them to ‘damnation’....does that make any sense?!
No. But what does make sense, is ‘judge’ them for what they do, after they’re resurrected!
Besides, the Bible clearly states that “he who has died has been freed, ie., acquitted, from his sin.” — Romans 6:7. A person cannot be punished, once he’s freed. He / She has paid the price when they’ve died. - Romans 6:23.
You sure are close, to understanding God! As 1 John 4:8 says, “God is Love.” But he will not tolerate willful evil acts forever! Not when they hurt innocent people. — 2 Thessalonians 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you
The Sermon on the Mount quote by Mahatma Gandhi:
"When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings of Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world."
It seems that Mahatma Gandhi had been approached by Lord Irwin, the British viceroy. Irwin asked him what he considered to be the solution to the problems of India and his country. Gandhi took the Bible and opened it to Matthew chapter 5, and said the above.
A Hindu appreciated the value of the Bible, at least the part that he said, if applied, would ‘solve the world’s problems.’
That doesn’t sound simplistic to me.
Under God's express permission and command. Amazing that you can't comprehend this simple fact.
If there was no child training, maybe the parents should face the consequences?
I doubt that was never the case.
Apparently, these were grown children, being drunkards. You were probably thinking 6 or 7 year olds, huh?
Oh, really? I thought it was written by men.
Grandliseur
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Thank you for your perspective. I can readily understand why you dislike #97 since all who do not have happy lives then are condemned as unrighteous, and that is just not so.
Grandliseur
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Just curious. Do you think all who have been freed from their debt of sin - shall be resurrected?
If this thread is wrong for this subject, you can answer me directly if you like.
The absolute mischaracterization of God in Job conclusively shows that it's a fictional work. So yes. It's logically impossible for a real God to act as the character did in Job.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I am being a bit sarcastic when I listed my favorite verses but when I told my fiance these verses she thought they were awesome. Something about being treated like a sexual object she finds appealing and I find it . . . questionably bizzarre
.I tried quoting Sahih al-Bukhari where it states that Hell will mostly contain women and her response was that they were probably bad wives who did not cook for their husbands. I died of laughter almost. She is not even religious and she was being serious, so I am pretty sure that cheating is not even a concept to her
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