Your opinions on the U.S. border wall

[PureX]

Believe you me, if you yourself were a border patrol agent or if a beloved family member or dear friend of yours were a border patrol agent, then you'd most likely support an effect border security barrier.

Being a border agent gives no one any special wisdom in determining the need for a wall. If anything, it just increases their likelihood of bias.

In Hungary, their illegal immigration was reduced 99 percent after this nation erected an effective border security fence, and guess what happened next, crimes rates significantly dropped there as well. So if crime had been significantly reduced after a border security barrier was erected in Hungary, then this stands to reason, an effective border security barrier would likewise significantly reduce crime in parts of the United States.

This is not Hungary, and we are not being invaded by angry, desperate Muslims fleeing decades of bloody warfare instigated by the west.

 

[youknowme]

Stay on topic.

Since I am talking about his correlation, I feel it is on topic. Now if you feel otherwise you can report me and I'll follow the directions of the mods.

 

[Salvador]

If you are going to draw that subjective correlation then why not for single payer healthcare?

I do actually support taxpayer assistance along with insured cost sharing for universal catastrophic health insurance; but a Bernie Sander's version of single payer healthcare where taxpayer funds pay every dollar of everybody's medical bills would be totally non-affordable.

 

[Cooky]

The confirmation bias is strong in this thread.

The NBPC has not publicly denied it. Maybe you should get in touch with them on the details of their survey.

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[Salvador]

Being a border agent gives no one any special wisdom in determining the need for a wall. If anything, it just increases their likelihood of bias.
This is not Hungary, and we are not being invaded by angry, desperate Muslims fleeing decades of bloody warfare instigated by the west.

Border patrol agents feel they can do their law enforcement jobs safer with a border security barrier.

Somebody's got to patrol our border. Would you rather patrol the border with or without an effective border security barrier?

There are many MS-13 gang members in those migrant caravans attempting to illegally enter the United States from Latin America.

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[Cooky]

Since I am talking about his correlation, I feel it is on topic. Now if you feel otherwise you can report me and I'll follow the directions of the mods.

If you pursue it any further, then I will report it.

 

[youknowme]

I do actually support taxpayer assistance along with insured cost sharing for universal catastrophic health insurance; but a Bernie Sander's version of single payer healthcare where taxpayer funds pay every dollar of everybody's medical bills would be totally non-affordable.

I remember your arguments about healthcare. Since you are so willing to draw correlations between border security in other nations and here, would you then likewise support a healthcare system like that of Germany or Canada in the US?

 

[youknowme]

If you pursue it any further, then I will report it.

OK. I am fine with that. If you feel I am breaking the rule, then that is exactly what you should do, and I will follow whatever the mods decide. I have absolutely no problem with that.

 

[Cooky]

I remember your arguments about healthcare. Since you are so willing to draw correlations between border security in other nations and here, would you then likewise support a healthcare system like that of Germany or Canada in the US?

Reported.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Amidst a government shut-down, I think it's time we discuss this potential wall, and why it's such a good or bad idea.

...Do do you or do you not support a wall on the U.S. southern border? Please explain your reasons.

I definitely support a secure border. Well I support the wall in general , there's no doubt it's a huge and expensive undertaking .

I'll be more privy for things like drones and even the military engaged in mass monitoring the Border. It would be a great exercise for the troops . Especially recon and surveillance units.

Even I admit it would be a little bit unsettling to live in a country where the Border looks like a prison wall and leaves you asking if it is meant to keep people out or keep people in?

The latter of course is the conspiratorial tinfoil-hat version of which will probably get a lot of traction on YouTube should such a feat be accomplished.

 

[Cooky]

I definitely support a secure border. Well I support the wall in general , there's no doubt it's a huge and expensive undertaking .

I'll be more privy for things like drones and even the military engaged in mass monitoring the Border. It would be a great exercise for the troops . Especially recon and surveillance units.

Even I admit it would be a little bit unsettling to live in a country where the Border looks like a prison wall and leaves you're asking is it meant to keep people out or keep people in? The ladder of course is the conspiratorial tinfoil-hat version it will probably get a lot of traction on YouTube.

Some really great ideas there.

 

[youknowme]

I definitely support a secure border. Well I support the wall in general , there's no doubt it's a huge and expensive undertaking .

I'll be more privy for things like drones and even the military engaged in mass monitoring the Border. It would be a great exercise for the troops . Especially recon and surveillance units.

Even I admit it would be a little bit unsettling to live in a country where the Border looks like a prison wall and leaves you're asking is it meant to keep people out or keep people in? The ladder of course is the conspiratorial tinfoil-hat version it will probably get a lot of traction on YouTube.

The clear intent is to keep people out, you know mothers, fathers, children fleeing for their lives, and most importantly brown people.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Amidst a government shut-down, I think it's time we discuss this potential wall, and why it's such a good or bad idea.

...Do do you or do you not support a wall on the U.S. southern border? Please explain your reasons.

It's a scam. If one actually calculated the costs of immigrants, illegal or otherwise, of the benefits reaped by farmers, slaughter houses and all of the other jobs no one in this country wants or will do, to how much in taxes people have to pay for those immigrants, we are way ahead of the game.

The US needs those people here. How much do they cost compared to how much benefit they supply? The wall is horse****.

To add: I don't agree with the slave labor they provide but those are the facts. And a relative handful of people fleeing poverty , crime, and persecution is not going to break us. It's just another rallying cry for the Orange One and his fan base.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The clear intent is to keep people out, you know mothers, fathers, children fleeing for their lives, and most importantly brown people.

I suspected it's primarily because they chose to break a countries law while endangering their children beyond the danger that they fled from while refusing another countries offer to take them all in.

God can't people even try to work up the balls and find the courage to take their own country back?

 

[Salvador]

I remember your arguments about healthcare. Since you are so willing to draw correlations between border security in other nations and here, would you then likewise support a healthcare system like that of Germany or Canada in the US?

I'd support all American legal citizens having health insurance coverage provided by a reformation of combining Medicare Part A and Part B coverage together that'd be taxpayer funded with each insured person cost sharing a 20 percent co-insurance and $2500 annual deductible. I'd favor Medicare Part D that'd pay 50 percent of prescription drug costs for the insured, the other half of the costs would be the insured's individual financial responsibility.

State governments could provide medicare supplemental policies for impoverished citizens and private insurance companies could provide medicare supplemental insurance for anyone else who doesn't want to self-insure for the costs of their medical bills not covered by Medicare.

 

[Cooky]

It's a scam. If one actually calculated the costs of immigrants, illegal or otherwise, of the benefits reaped by farmers, slaughter houses and all of the other jobs no one in this country wants or will do, to how much in taxes people have to pay for those immigrants, we are way ahead of the game.

The US needs those people here. How much do they cost compared to how much benefit they supply? The wall is horse****.

Really..? We need illegal immigrants?

Who knew...

 

[wandering peacefully]

Really..? We need illegal immigrants?

Who knew...

Sure. Go ask any southern crop farmer...

What we don't need is a stupid wall. It would be much more productive to send 5 billion to the immigrants in their own countries.

 

[Cooky]

Sure. Go ask any southern crop farmer...

What we don't need is a stupid wall. It would be much more productive to send 5 billion to the immigrants in their own countries.

What we actually don't need, are southern crop farmers who break laws. I'm for having these farmers prosecuted.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Amidst a government shut-down, I think it's time we discuss this potential wall, and why it's such a good or bad idea.

...Do do you or do you not support a wall on the U.S. southern border? Please explain your reasons.

No as all walls will come down. The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens.

The future will see boarders of countries set, but that will be for administrative purposes.

To build a wall to divide the human race in this age, is to invite trouble on a scale yet to be seen in any past conflict.

Regards Tony

 

[youknowme]

I'd support all American legal citizens having health insurance coverage provided by a reformation of combining Medicare Part A and Part B coverage together that'd be taxpayer funded with each insured person cost sharing a 20 percent co-insurance and $2500 annual deductible. I'd favor Medicare Part D that'd pay 50 percent of prescription drug costs for the insured, the other half of the costs would be the insured's individual financial responsibility.

State governments could provide medicare supplemental policies for impoverished citizens and private insurance companies could provide medicare supplemental insurance for anyone else who doesn't want to self-insure for the costs of their medical bills not covered by Medicare.

It is not lost on me that you are avoiding my question.