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You're an atheist just like me.

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
ÄĀṮṬØ said:
Do you mean they Could exist, or they do exist?
If more than one God exists, I think we should worship all of them, not just the one that suits you

I agree with your line of questioning. I've often wondered if christians believe that other culture's gods exactly exist. I mean that's the first commandment. Do not worship any other gods.

Some here are saying they do and others have said that when that was written it was describing idolatry.
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
I am not exactly Christian but my reasoning is that people find God in many different ways. Sometimes people dont find God though they find their servants, demons and angels.. and they then deify these servants and this is when God has an issue. When people start to praise the creations instead of the creator
 

LogDog

Active Member
beckysoup61 said:
Not necessarily. I believe those other "gods" exist, but they are not my God.

Was it your god who was responsible for creating "heaven" and earth or one of the others? How do you know? When you were going down the "menu of gods" what was it about your god that made stood out to you? I hope you didn't hurt the feelings of the gods you rejected, because from what I've heard, you don't want to **** these guys off.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
LogDog said:
Was it your god who was responsible for creating "heaven" and earth or one of the others? How do you know? When you were going down the "menu of gods" what was it about your god that made stood out to you? I hope you didn't hurt the feelings of the gods you rejected, because from what I've heard, you don't want to **** these guys off.
Dude, now you've crossed the line from trying to show theists how it feels to be atheist to just plain arguing with theist about their theism.
 

LogDog

Active Member
lilithu said:
Dude, now you've crossed the line from trying to show theists how it feels to be atheist to just plain arguing with theist about their theism.

I know. I know. Sorry about that.
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
lilithu said:
Dude, now you've crossed the line from trying to show theists how it feels to be atheist to just plain arguing with theist about their theism.

I think a gross generilisation is being made that all theists are tolerated and their beliefs are respected.

Even for the Christian, I daily receive questioning and resentment for my approach to my faith.
 

LogDog

Active Member
Gentoo said:
I believe in Zeus. And the Abrahamic God, Egyptian Gods, Celtic Gods, and pretty much any God that has ever worshipped, I believe in.

I wonder, would you stay true to your beliefs if (hypothetically speaking) next week it was scientifically proven that "xyz" and not a god was responsible for the origins of life and the cosmos?
 

LogDog

Active Member
astarath said:
I think a gross generilisation is being made that all theists are tolerated and their beliefs are respected.

Even for the Christian, I daily receive questioning and resentment for my approach to my faith.

I think it's time you to start kickin' some butt. You don't want them talkin smack about your beliefs do ya? Get all your buddies together and take a stand.
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
LogDog said:
I wonder, would you stay true to your beliefs if (hypothetically speaking) next week it was scientifically proven that "xyz" and not a god was responsible for the origins of life and the cosmos?

i do not hold the same beliefs that all the deities mentioned are true but...hypothetically speaking if God were proven not to exist then yes I would continue to adhere to the laws in which i currently abide, to love one another and to love something greater than humanity are not things that should be cast away but rather embraced.
 

LogDog

Active Member
astarath said:
i do not hold the same beliefs that all the deities mentioned are true but...hypothetically speaking if God were proven not to exist then yes I would continue to adhere to the laws in which i currently abide, to love one another and to love something greater than humanity are not things that should be cast away but rather embraced.

So you would continue to have morals? Interesting.
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
LogDog said:
I think it's time you to start kickin' some butt. You don't want them talkin smack about your beliefs do ya? Get all your buddies together and take a stand.

this is the difference for me between the theist and the atheist. To take a stand a theist doesnt need buddies, I stand with God and that is enough for me. When God and I make our stand we don't "kick butt" but rather show love and compassion..words of kindness and actions of faith that seem to confuse the atheist who stands in the body and acts in aggression.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
astarath said:
this is the difference for me between the theist and the atheist. To take a stand a theist doesnt need buddies, I stand with God and that is enough for me. When God and I make our stand we don't "kick butt" but rather show love and compassion..words of kindness and actions of faith that seem to confuse the atheist who stands in the body and acts in aggression.
oh good grief.
 

LogDog

Active Member
Oh really? When did god started showing such compassion for those who oppose him?



"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel." (Numbers 25:3-4)

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
he started somewhere in the new testament when those who truly follow the words of Christ are told "truly to love their enemies" and "if someone hits you on the cheek...turn and show them the other one" and "love your neighbour as you love yourself" and "god so loved the world he gave hs only begotten son"
 

LogDog

Active Member
astarath said:
this is the difference for me between the theist and the atheist. To take a stand a theist doesnt need buddies, I stand with God and that is enough for me. When God and I make our stand we don't "kick butt" but rather show love and compassion..words of kindness and actions of faith that seem to confuse the atheist who stands in the body and acts in aggression.


Oh really? When did god started showing such compassion for those who oppose him?



"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel." (Numbers 25:3-4)

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
he started somewhere in the new testament when those who truly follow the words of Christ are told "truly to love their enemies" and "if someone hits you on the cheek...turn and show them the other one" and "love your neighbour as you love yourself" and "god so loved the world he gave hs only begotten son"

deuteronomy is the OT not the NT
 

LogDog

Active Member
astarath said:
he started somewhere in the new testament when those who truly follow the words of Christ are told "truly to love their enemies" and "if someone hits you on the cheek...turn and show them the other one" and "love your neighbour as you love yourself" and "god so loved the world he gave hs only begotten son"

Is he sorry for all the stuff he did before he got all warm and fuzzy?
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
sorry enough to send his only son to die for us? If someone gave up their only son so that you could live would that be enough for you to forgive him?(not refering to God but anyone in general)
 
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