You're an atheist just like me.

[sandy whitelinger]

I'm an atheist and so are you. Here's why. If you're Christian, you (more than likely) deny the existence of the god of Islam and visa versa. Welcome to the team.

The Bible does not deny the existence of other Gods. The God of the Bible says to worship no other gods before Him. That assumes the existence of other gods.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Enlighten me.

They are the same God. Hence why they are both Abrahamic faiths.

Since I am neither Muslim nor Christian, by your logic, would that still make me an athiest?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Allow me to correct myself, they are Abrahamic due to thier acceptance of Abraham, not the same God, allthough the same God is implied, as they serve the God of Abraham.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Did you hear about the Jewish atheist? He knew what the God he didn't believe in expected of him.

 

[Comprehend]

Dude, chill... as I said in my first post it's a SEMANTIC argument. It's a redefinition of the word in order to make a point. And logdog has said several times already what his point is... to get theists to understand how it is that atheists can be atheists. He's not trying to convert anyone here. There's no need for people to be so annoyed.

don't you think that is a little wierd to change the definition of a word and then make an argument about it? It can't be a semantic argument if the definition he has chosen is not one of the possibilities. Then it is an english argument, and he loses.

In that case, you are all Mormons, just like me. (secrectly, I chose an arbitrary definition of mormon before I made this statement. tee hee hee):areyoucra

 

[Dirty Penguin]

To a theist, I suppose the experience of god does seems real. But tell me, what makes the experience of god any different from that of an imaginary childhood friend?

Awww yeah baby...I like that question...

welcome to the forum.... (I too am an athiest)....but i'm not sure i would catorgorize people and their way of life as you have. I'm not sure what the end result, if any, would be.

We can stand around all day jaw jacking about who's an athiest toward someone elses god but that really isn't the point of being an athiest.

It's actually more fun to see and hear people explain their way of life. it's nice to see them go to their guide books (bible, qur'an, scrolls, tablets) to justify their view point.

let's stick to the good old debate...creationism, science, gods etc...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Two things are for sure though. 1. I'm not going to heaven. And 2. There's a good possibility you won't be either.

Ahh...my friend be careful...some might mistake you for theist when you say things like "There's a possibility you won't either"

Want to spark a debate? Simply say.... One thing for sure heaven doesn't exist!!!

nurture that thought and feed it when ever possible and watch your thread (post) grow (like a chia pet)

 

[Hema]

All rivers run into the same ocean. If there is argument between the rivers, that is the river's problem, not the ocean's.

I agree with that. I see all religions as leading to the same God.
Truth is one but is called by different names. (Rig Veda).

 

[sojourner]

I can't believe this bogus topic has lasted for nine pages. It's not the god we reject -- it's that their idea of God doesn't resonate with us.

I'm wondering why it's so important for you to "prove" that everyone is atheist? Surely you're not hanging the validity of your viewpoint on a twisting of its definition?

 

[UnTheist]

I can't believe this bogus topic has lasted for nine pages. It's not the god we reject -- it's that their idea of God doesn't resonate with us.

I'm wondering why it's so important for you to "prove" that everyone is atheist? Surely you're not hanging the validity of your viewpoint on a twisting of its definition?

Either way, you don't belive in those other Gods. If you are unsure about other Gods' existences, then you don't have very strong faith in your religion.


If you leave out the God that you believe in, you are an atheist to all other possible Gods. It isn't that hard to comprehend.

 

[Bishka]

Either way, you don't belive in those other Gods. If you are unsure about other Gods' existences, then you don't have very strong faith in your religion.


If you leave out the God that you believe in, you are an atheist to all other possible Gods. It isn't that hard to comprehend.

Not necessarily. I believe those other "gods" exist, but they are not my God.

 

[UnTheist]

Not necessarily. I believe those other "gods" exist, but they are not my God.

Do you mean they Could exist, or they do exist?
If more than one God exists, I think we should worship all of them, not just the one that suits you

 

[sojourner]

Either way, you don't belive in those other Gods. If you are unsure about other Gods' existences, then you don't have very strong faith in your religion.


If you leave out the God that you believe in, you are an atheist to all other possible Gods. It isn't that hard to comprehend.

It has nothing to do with belief. It has everything to do with point-of-view. I believe in Divine Nature. I, personally ascribe a system of mythos, by which I can think about and talk about Divine Nature. So does everyone else. Not everyone ascribes the same mythos, however, to Divine Nature.

Just because I choose to talk about Divine Nature in one certain way, it does not necessarily follow that I don't find others' ways of talking about Divine Nature just as valid.

Ah, that pesky hermeneutical cloud...

 

[Bishka]

Do you mean they Could exist, or they do exist?
If more than one God exists, I think we should worship all of them, not just the one that suits you

They do exist, but they are not 'gods' in my view. To me, they are pehaps people, or figures in history who were great people and my God gave truth to and that through they ages it has gotten twisted or misrepresented. That is why I see truth in almost all religions, or that my God sent people or messengers to help His children (because all are His children) and thats how He gave His message to them. God is never going to stop talking to His children -- never.

 

[UnTheist]

They do exist, but they are not 'gods' in my view. To me, they are pehaps people, or figures in history who were great people and my God gave truth to and that through they ages it has gotten twisted or misrepresented. That is why I see truth in almost all religions, or that my God sent people or messengers to help His children (because all are His children) and thats how He gave His message to them. God is never going to stop talking to His children -- never.

Ok, thank you. I understand now.

 

[Bishka]

Ok, thank you. I understand now.

Mine is a unique view among my faith, but I hold to it.

 

[lilithu]

I can't believe this bogus topic has lasted for nine pages. It's not the god we reject -- it's that their idea of God doesn't resonate with us.

But the same argument can be made for those who truly call themselves atheists. Us theists could argue that it's not God that they reject -- it's the idea of God in general. I don't think that would sit too well tho.

I'm wondering why it's so important for you to "prove" that everyone is atheist? Surely you're not hanging the validity of your viewpoint on a twisting of its definition?

I honestly did not get the impression that logdog had any illusions of "converting" us to atheism. He's trying to get theists to see what it's like to be atheist. He's arguing a perspective, not a proof.

 

[Random]

I do not subscribe to the false dichotomy of atheist/theist. Doubt fetters both beliefs, no matter how fervently held or zealously defended: is the absence of absolute certainty, and given the nature we have projected onto the concept of deity over the millenia, the only rational answer is to come to an acceptable understanding with or about God and make your peace without falling for another destructive conflict, however stimulating one might (irrationally) find it.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

To a child, an imaginary friend may seem very real. But as that child develops, he learns the difference between fantasy and fact.

What is the difference? It is only a human division. Fantasy is sensory response to stimuli, only it is primarily internal. Reality is primarily external. But even there, it is only a division of perspective; the internal is still reality.

I believe that the division exists only because of our focus on the left side of the brain.

Imagination is just as much a part of the human experience as rationality.

Hallucinations can also seem undeniably real, but only for the moment and only within the confines of the individual. Once the hallucinations cease, the experience can then be understood for what it was. Chemistry of the mind. Nothing more.

Ah, but not nothing more! You're forgetting experience.

To a theist, I suppose the experience of god does seems real. But tell me, what makes the experience of god any different from that of an imaginary childhood friend?

Perspective. And maybe magnitude.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I can't believe this bogus topic has lasted for nine pages. It's not the god we reject -- it's that their idea of God doesn't resonate with us.

I'm wondering why it's so important for you to "prove" that everyone is atheist? Surely you're not hanging the validity of your viewpoint on a twisting of its definition?

c'mon

You knew as soon as you sent this message some one would debate with you thus making the pages go on an on. Now had you not commented then it would have been that much shorter.

Now, I am an athiest but I don't catorgorize people and their way of life like the OPer stated. The classification leads to a futile discussion trying to get people to see your point of view. Not all athiest take his view but some do.