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You're an atheist just like me.

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LogDog

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astarath said:
sorry enough to send his only son to die for us? If someone gave up their only son so that you could live would that be enough for you to forgive him?(not refering to God but anyone in general)
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So giving up his son was his way of saying sorry for committing mass murder? Sorry. That's just not going to cut it.
 
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LogDog

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astarath said:
sorry enough to send his only son to die for us? If someone gave up their only son so that you could live would that be enough for you to forgive him?(not refering to God but anyone in general)
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So you're saying that if your family was butchered by some sicko, you'd forgive and start worshiping him if he sent you his only son to be tortured and killed?
 
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comprehend said:
That just means you do not understand what the word atheist means.

You are not an atheist simply because you do not believe in every god. That is silly, atheism means you deny the existance of ANY and ALL gods. Therefore, if one believes in just one God, they cannot be an atheist.

Where does anyone (logdog) get the idea that if you deny the existance of a particular god, you are an atheist (which means to deny the existance of ALL gods)???

it is only an interesting question if you don't know what the word means...
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logdog, No response? You asked me to enlighten you and now nothing? I posted this about 5 pages ago.
 
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LogDog

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comprehend said:
that just means you do not understand what the word atheist means.

You are not an atheist simply because you do not believe in every god. That is silly, atheism means you deny the existance of ANY and ALL gods. Therefore, if one believes in just one God, they cannot be an atheist.

Where does anyone (logdog) get the idea that if you deny the existance of a particular god, you are an atheist (which means to deny the existance of ALL gods)???

it is only an interesting question if you don't know what the word means..
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I guess my OP is arguing semantics and is not very constructive or accurate considering the true definition of atheisim. Thanks.
 
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LogDog said:
I guess my OP is arguing semantics and is not very constructive or accurate considering the true definition of atheisim. Thanks.
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To have been arguing semantics, you would have had to be using one of the actual definitions of athiesm. You made up your own so it isn't even a semantic argument, It is pretend.
 
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LogDog

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comprehend said:
if you deny the existance of a particular god, you are an atheist
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Do you accept the existence of all gods ever worshiped throughout the history of man? If not, I'm suggesting that you have insight into what it's like to be an atheist. I'm an antheist in respect to all gods. Why does it not make sense that you are an atheist in respect to all gods accept the one(s) you choose to believe in?
 
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astarath

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the definition of atheist is someone without a theistic belief. I feel that if my belief as I know it did not exist I would merely have found God through another method
 
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LogDog

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I'm an atheist because of my disbelief in the existence of any deities. Is it not safe to assume that those who believe in a singular god are atheists in terms of the god or gods they reject?
 
astarath

astarath

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on the first point you are correct on second you are not in fact you state an argument in one line and the point out how to dispute it in the next, if you have a theistic belief you know God in one way or another, this you can not be atheistic
 
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LogDog said:
Do you accept the existence of all gods ever worshiped throughout the history of man? If not, I'm suggesting that you have insight into what it's like to be an atheist. I'm an antheist in respect to all gods. Why does it not make sense that you are an atheist in respect to all gods accept the one(s) you choose to believe in?
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because that isn't what the word means. Look up athiest in the dictionary. then ponder...

Why does it not make sense for me to say you are a pineapple?

EDIT: BTW - it's "except" not "accept"
 
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LogDog said:
I'm an atheist because of my disbelief in the existence of any deities. Is it not safe to assume that those who believe in a singular god are atheists in terms of the god or gods they reject?
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no. because, once again. that isn't what athiest means.

It is just as safe to assume that those who believe in a singular god are Brazilian in terms of the god or gods they reject.


Please just look the word up and think about it.

Athiest - one who believes there is no god.

Thiest - one who believes there is A god, meaning at least one god.

It is incredibly simple. Maybe try drawing a venn diagram.... yes?
 
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LogDog

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Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of any deities.

Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more Gods or deities.

Hypothetically speaking, your religion does not exist and you do not believe in the gods and religions available to you. Are you still a theist?
 
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LogDog said:
Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of any deities.

Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more Gods or deities.

Hypothetically speaking, your religion does not exist and you do not believe in the gods and religions available to you. Are you still a theist?
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yes if I still believe in a god, as your own quote shows. It is BELIEF in God that makes one a thiest, not being right about it. :areyoucra

Otherwise it would also be impossible for there to be athiests IF God does exist.... :rolleyes:
 
astarath

astarath

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SO your saying hypothetically we are to believe that we are atheists than are we atheist?

is that even a question?
 
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LogDog

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astarath said:
SO your saying hypothetically we are to believe that we are atheists than are we atheist?

is that even a question?
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All I'm trying to suggest is that a monotheist can know what it is like to be an atheist in respect to all the gods he/she does not believe in. Can you not relate to my denial of any deity through your denial of the deities you choose not to believe in?
 
astarath

astarath

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no they cant know what it is like because they know god in one fashion or another i apologise if this concept is confusing for you but once you have seen the light you dont go looking for shadows
 
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LogDog

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astarath said:
no they cant know what it is like because they know god in one fashion or another i apologise if this concept is confusing for you but once you have seen the light you dont go looking for shadows
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I can relate to why you chose to have faith in a deity and the life after death your acceptance of that deity will supposedly bring you. It all sounds very euphoric. Who wouldn't desire the "heavenly bliss" religion is selling. I see the allure of your belief and would hope you could conversely relate to my disbelief. Is that's not possible.

Don't apologise. The concept doesn't confuse me it aggrivates me.
 
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