You're in heaven....now what?

[diosangpastol]

I can guarantee I won't be there for sure. Lol, one way or the other.

ahaha.. ok ... continue with the topic...

 

[chinu]

So now you've made it. You're with your god and family and friends. Since you're a soul you don't need to eat or drink, and there aren't any material things in heaven (since jesus didn't think it was necessary) and all the "bad" people are not around. Now what? Do you just praise god and kneel and say prayers all day for the rest of eternity? Get kinda boring wouldn't ya think?

You just wait .

_/\_ Chinu.

 

[James Humphreys]

So now you've made it. You're with your god and family and friends. Since you're a soul you don't need to eat or drink, and there aren't any material things in heaven (since jesus didn't think it was necessary) and all the "bad" people are not around. Now what? Do you just praise god and kneel and say prayers all day for the rest of eternity? Get kinda boring wouldn't ya think?

If it were like you say, it might get boring, but I think it's a lot more than that. We create our reality in heaven, and anything and everything good on Earth can be reproduced and improved upon in Heaven. There are mountains, trees, flowers, everything, just thousands of times more beautiful. You may not have to eat to feed your spiritual body, but you can for the joy of it. These things are not made of a physical material (which is basically energy whizzing around in relationships) but rather a spiritual substance, for lack of a better word.

 

[cottage]

So I guess if we go and kill someone it's God's fault. Afterall that's the way He made us. I find this silly. I guess evil and imperfection are human traits. But we are responsible for our actions and of course have free choice. This is a basic part of being human.

The point here is that humans can be evil - but so can God. And however you look at it the evil humans cause can be put at the door of our imperfections. But as our Creator, where does God seek to place the blame?

 

[ninerbuff]

You just wait .

_/\_ Chinu.

Bring it on!!!

 

[WanderingSoul]

Dreams seem real too and are mostly from memories and experiences that we've learned or encountered. Most people won't have a dream about something they have no knowledge of. Like have you ever dreamed about playing a tuete?

I've dreamed of flying with my arms, yet I've never done THAT. LOL

 

[PolyHedral]

I've dreamed of flying with my arms, yet I've never done THAT. LOL

Yes, but you can easily construct that. Have you ever dreamed in ultraviolet?

 

[WanderingSoul]

Yes, but you can easily construct that. Have you ever dreamed in ultraviolet?

There have been a fair number of NDE'rs that, during their experience, were confronted with facts, details, and events that they did not know of before their brief sojourn with death. They visit relatives they did not know they had; they witness events occurring around their body; they receive info that is later confirmed after they are revived, etc. That doesn't prove an afterlife, but the evidence is consistent with the claim.

Also, I find it a little curious that the bulk of these experiences are so much alike: The tunnel, the white light, meeting loved ones, or even God, all with a tremendous feeling of peace and love.

I think it's fair to say that these NDE'rs have many years of "dreaming" experience to which they can compare their "death" experience, even children. It's difficult to me to accept these people are confusing their dream-experiences with a soulful encounter with God and loved ones.

No, I'm inclined to accept most of these testimonies as the product of a real experience of their consciousness at the time of death; albeit, a temporary death.

 

[Vansdad]

The point here is that humans can be evil - but so can God. And however you look at it the evil humans cause can be put at the door of our imperfections. But as our Creator, where does God seek to place the blame?

God has the ability to create life so I find it impossible to blame Him if it's not to our human standards. I find this easy to accept.

 

[cottage]

God has the ability to create life so I find it impossible to blame Him if it's not to our human standards. I find this easy to accept.

But one minute you're defending God against the charge of evil and then suddenly it's our 'human standards' that are at fault. But if it is our 'human standards' then it is the case that God is the cause and sustainer of them, as nothing exists but what God causes and sustains.

We all agree that it is evil to cause unnecessary suffering. And all suffering is unnecessary since it would be absurd to inform God of what he obliged to do. So the charge is that God causes unnecessary suffering, which is evil.

 

[jtartar]

So now you've made it. You're with your god and family and friends. Since you're a soul you don't need to eat or drink, and there aren't any material things in heaven (since jesus didn't think it was necessary) and all the "bad" people are not around. Now what? Do you just praise god and kneel and say prayers all day for the rest of eternity? Get kinda boring wouldn't ya think?

ninerbuff,
I see that the Holy Scriptures are Terra Incognita to you, because the scriptures are plain, if we take the time to study them.
First, everyone needs to understand exactly what the soul is: the soul is you, a living and breathing thing. The term soul, is used for all breathing animals, not just man. The term soul is even used for God, meaning the life of an individual, Ps 11:5.
The Bible tells us that we must prove things to ourselves, Rom 12:2, 1Thess 5:21.
This is so that we will understand what the Bible actually says and we will not be stumbling others with false teachings, the very ones that Christ died for, Matt 18:6,7, 1Cor 8:11, Rom 14:14,15. SO, you must get a concordance and look up the original words for soul. The Hebrew word is Nephesh, and if you look it up you will quickly see that it is used for all living things. Contrary to what many believe, the soul can die, be destroyed, Acts 3:22,23.
Now, as to what the ones who go to heaven will be doing. In the first place not all good people go to heaven when they die. The fact is that only a relatively few go to heaven, 1Cor 15:50, Luke 12:32, Rev 7:4, 5:9,10, 20:3-6, Heb 3:1.
Did you notice that the ones who go to heaven will be Kings and Priests for the Thousand Year Judgement Day??? According to the scriptures theres' is an Everlasting Inheritance, Heb 9:15, They will rule forever in heaven, 2Pet 1:10,11, as COHEIRS with Jesus, Rom 8:17, Rev 20:4,6.
The Kings in heaven will rule over mankind on earth, both the ones who live through the Great Tribulation, Rev 7:14, and those who are resurrected back to life on earth, John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15.
After the earth is brought back to the perfection that God originally intended, Isa 45:18, Gen 1:26-28, there will by work for the heavenly ones, just as there has always been work for the angels.
After the earth is brought back to perfection

 

[Vansdad]

But one minute you're defending God against the charge of evil and then suddenly it's our 'human standards' that are at fault. But if it is our 'human standards' then it is the case that God is the cause and sustainer of them, as nothing exists but what God causes and sustains.

We all agree that it is evil to cause unnecessary suffering. And all suffering is unnecessary since it would be absurd to inform God of what he obliged to do. So the charge is that God causes unnecessary suffering, which is evil.

I never "agreed" that it is evil to cause unnecessary suffering. When one person does this to another it is cruel, evil, etc., because it is coming from a person. But when we suffer at the hands of God it is very different. He has a purpose. He does not do things just to hurt people. Just as a parent disciplines their child out of love, but God is way beyond that kind of simplistic analogy and has much greater reason. But it's an easy analogy to understand.

 

[ninerbuff]

ninerbuff,
I see that the Holy Scriptures are Terra Incognita to you, because the scriptures are plain, if we take the time to study them.
First, everyone needs to understand exactly what the soul is: the soul is you, a living and breathing thing. The term soul, is used for all breathing animals, not just man. The term soul is even used for God, meaning the life of an individual, Ps 11:5.
The Bible tells us that we must prove things to ourselves, Rom 12:2, 1Thess 5:21.
This is so that we will understand what the Bible actually says and we will not be stumbling others with false teachings, the very ones that Christ died for, Matt 18:6,7, 1Cor 8:11, Rom 14:14,15. SO, you must get a concordance and look up the original words for soul. The Hebrew word is Nephesh, and if you look it up you will quickly see that it is used for all living things. Contrary to what many believe, the soul can die, be destroyed, Acts 3:22,23.
Now, as to what the ones who go to heaven will be doing. In the first place not all good people go to heaven when they die. The fact is that only a relatively few go to heaven, 1Cor 15:50, Luke 12:32, Rev 7:4, 5:9,10, 20:3-6, Heb 3:1.
Did you notice that the ones who go to heaven will be Kings and Priests for the Thousand Year Judgement Day??? According to the scriptures theres' is an Everlasting Inheritance, Heb 9:15, They will rule forever in heaven, 2Pet 1:10,11, as COHEIRS with Jesus, Rom 8:17, Rev 20:4,6.
The Kings in heaven will rule over mankind on earth, both the ones who live through the Great Tribulation, Rev 7:14, and those who are resurrected back to life on earth, John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15.
After the earth is brought back to the perfection that God originally intended, Isa 45:18, Gen 1:26-28, there will by work for the heavenly ones, just as there has always been work for the angels.
After the earth is brought back to perfection

Sorry scripture doesn't prove anything to me. Trying to is a vain effort. Till the bible can be proven to be absolutely accurate, the stories proven true, then it's just another mythological book like the Illiad.

 

[PolyHedral]

I never "agreed" that it is evil to cause unnecessary suffering. When one person does this to another it is cruel, evil, etc., because it is coming from a person. But when we suffer at the hands of God it is very different. He has a purpose.

(Assuming an all-powerful He,) He cannot possibly have a purpose other than sadism. Remember, nothing He does has unintended side-effects. Nothing He does goes unplanned or awry, because He is all-powerful.

 

[Vansdad]

(Assuming an all-powerful He,) He cannot possibly have a purpose other than sadism.

Obviously just an opinion.

Remember, nothing He does has unintended side-effects. Nothing He does goes unplanned or awry, because He is all-powerful.

I think I believe this to be true. If I understand you correctly.

 

[genenuega]

Good question.... makes me ponder...

 

[Twig pentagram]

So now you've made it. You're with your god and family and friends. Since you're a soul you don't need to eat or drink, and there aren't any material things in heaven (since jesus didn't think it was necessary) and all the "bad" people are not around. Now what? Do you just praise god and kneel and say prayers all day for the rest of eternity? Get kinda boring wouldn't ya think?

Now you adapt to your new reality.

 

[ninerbuff]

Now you adapt to your new reality.

Which is what? The promise "eternal glory" is defined as what? If you've ever pondered what it would be like to "live" forever doing the same stuff over and over again (being in awe of your god and just praising him) would that be the reality in heaven? There's been no one who's been there and returned (still waiting on this jesus fella) to verify what's up.

 

[cottage]

I never "agreed" that it is evil to cause unnecessary suffering. When one person does this to another it is cruel, evil, etc., because it is coming from a person. But when we suffer at the hands of God it is very different. He has a purpose. He does not do things just to hurt people. Just as a parent disciplines their child out of love, but God is way beyond that kind of simplistic analogy and has much greater reason. But it's an easy analogy to understand.

I think that you are missing the crux of the issue here, which is the logic. It doesn't matter what God's purpose is, the plain truth is that evil and suffering aren't necessary. And obviously we can't maintain that evil is necessary, since an omnipotent God lies under no necessity to do anything. So the fact that he does choose to cause/allow evil and suffering demonstrates that it is unnecessary. Therefore, whatever his purpose, evil and suffering cannot be justified.

 

[ninerbuff]

I think that you are missing the crux of the issue here, which is the logic. It doesn't matter what God's purpose is, the plain truth is that evil and suffering aren't necessary. And obviously we can't maintain that evil is necessary, since an omnipotent God lies under no necessity to do anything. So the fact that he does choose to cause/allow evil and suffering demonstrates that it is unnecessary. Therefore, whatever his purpose, evil and suffering cannot be justified.

Yeah the whole "god has a purpose" is so illogical when it comes to death and suffering of innocents. When children are starving, then the purpose is for us to assist. Whether we do or not, is apparently how we are judged. But the fact is that god is STILL allowing them to starve.