Zero probability for Evolution

[Polymath257]

I have no idea what you are going on about. What do you want to know? It's all there in Genesis.

Actually, very little is in Genesis and what is there is wrong. For example, there is no firmament. There are no separated waters. The light for the day and the light for the night *are* the sun and moon, but Genesis has them created at different times.

There are lots of other problems with the account, not least is that it directly contradicts the second verse of Genesis.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And just as many interpretations of it as there are people...

Now if you are not going to offer up any explanations and reduce yourself to the level you accuse others of....

So much for your supposed higher ground, eh?

You have to be more specific. What exactly do you want to know?

 

[Revoltingest]

It just means science will never answer the most important question.

I think your most important question isn't mine.
But religion is even less capable than science
at providing verifiable answers to any questions.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Actually, very little is in Genesis and what is there is wrong. For example, there is no firmament.

In Genesis 1:16-17, God placed the sun, moon, and stars in this "firmament." Similar to other ancient writings, Genesis 1 groups stars, sun, moon, and planets together at times, referring to the "heavenly beings" that are seen in the sky. Sky from the Jewish perspective could refer to everything a person could see above the land.

It could refer to the sky or to the larger "sky" that included what could be seen by the human eye, including sun, moon, stars, and planets.

 

[McBell]

You have to be more specific. What exactly do you want to know?

Exactly what you expected me to provide.
Exactly what you expect science to provide.
Exactly what you expect atheists to provide.

You had loads to say when demanding explanations from every one else...
So I find it rather odd that you all of a sudden lost your ability to talk at all.....

 

[McBell]

In Genesis 1:16-17, God placed the sun, moon, and stars in this "firmament." Similar to other ancient writings, Genesis 1 groups stars, sun, moon, and planets together at times, referring to the "heavenly beings" that are seen in the sky. Sky from the Jewish perspective could refer to everything a person could see above the land.

It could refer to the sky or to the larger "sky" that included what could be seen by the human eye, including sun, moon, stars, and planets.

A rather interesting development we have here:

But we don't pretend that we can explain God.
...

 

[rational experiences]

Remove man the scientist thinker observer making all creator claims

As your answer stating order exists as he imposes the status in study of anything. What he means as a human looking. So it is seen. Seeing means stated as its end. Presence.

If evolution were real suddenly humans would give birth to an evolved form better than their human self.

As when you impose laws to a past you cannot then claim ended finished it and complete now. Otherwise evolution would own ends now by human imposed law.

Evolution would also mean past status only.

Yet ended is any form seen looked at and discussed.

Which takes you to realisation Men in science are egotists.

Especially men in occult groups who use threats secretly and constantly to claim truth.

When truth is not any threat.

Occultist claimed a human life changed into a cloud mass. Which is thesis belief today. Looked at human claiming in some past a human life became a cloud.

Satanists claim in the past you present day human began as cloud image.

Today is A human who theories a human was created as a super being past God. God inferred any body presence in science themes created forms.

As words claim identify meaning as an end. Then created from and by to self.
If self did not think self was superior to God they would not give God a status to convert said God state to have a God resource.

A cloud would therefore be a God.
Status lying.

If said you are possessed by human science memory it would be proven in human theism.

Who claim a cloud as an alien image in it a human angel image a human image is where you began.

Developed into owning cells as a pre existing spirit body.

Cells separate he theories moved into the body.

Yet his theory is equated to a reaction thesis for machine status. As he wants it. So he theories what must I study to get connective strings.

So as he wants what disappears he wants only constants as remaining presence. Why he wants a human to have started as a cloud. As we remain constant.

Why he falsified his theories as want is always the liar in his motivation.

Memory then says as you died due to machine causes cloud amassing took Huge life owned supported ground water mass into emerging new clouds.

As a theist claiming by memory I became a part of a cloud.

Yet you were always a pre owned human life living on zero sealed ground state. Place of applied theme zero.

Not in space at all. Implied only. By humans in scientific quotes to God stone mass his machine owner God.

The argument theism versus theism by humans alive standing on God earth.

So humans said your beginning theory is fake it is theory only for change and reaction.

As you lived through its reactive night sky alight changes counting six days seeing it stop on day seven. Changes to all of nature's classified variations done by your science person.

As you classified separated existence by seeing it.

As earth a stone body a planet evolved in space was not instant. Nor was its heavens.

In the beginning was an imposed human science thesis how to react via imposing a space moment to cause change.

Theism about theorising the argument itself. On earth as humans arguing science causes.

So a human as a human looks at life living in billions of diverse forms.

Living.

The subject any body living present.

Which he cannot claim ideas from.

So he took to looking at dead things.

As he has to impose the status to con and coerce as a human by egotism. Living presence is equal by status living.

Father said to me natural daylight is. Blue light sky no clouds. No image.

Natural light observed seen first by natural self looking.

The difference between Self forming as compared to egotism I believe I want is just a choice.

Hence a document writing said God contradicts your life when you make the choice is real.

The status science converting.

When men want the reaction cloud and then compare life to an occult thesis a cloud. You are not living as a reactive presence involving heat and extreme cold.

Reactions not present. Reactions goes away not present equals the equals.

If you think a human is floating as a human in clouds obviously you own a mind dysfunction.

A cloud is a cloud as a cloud end meaning presence cloud.

When a word defines its end cloud it was meant one word one meaning to state clouds finished present. A cloud.

Argument humans in science who theory not about the reaction but evolution after the reaction claiming it developed into a higher form.

The reason to argue against human theists.

 

[Polymath257]

In Genesis 1:16-17, God placed the sun, moon, and stars in this "firmament." Similar to other ancient writings, Genesis 1 groups stars, sun, moon, and planets together at times, referring to the "heavenly beings" that are seen in the sky. Sky from the Jewish perspective could refer to everything a person could see above the land.

It could refer to the sky or to the larger "sky" that included what could be seen by the human eye, including sun, moon, stars, and planets.

But, if you read Genesis 6-8, the firmament was something able to separate the waters above from the waters below. It was seen as a solid dome on which the sun, planets and stars were placed.

The 'sky' was that solid dome.

Also, in Genesis 5, Day and Night are created. That was before the sun and the moon.

So, that makes several things Genesis got badly wrong. It was the common view of the time (and the idea that the sky is a solid sphere lasted until around 1600AD).

 

[Wildswanderer]

Exactly what you expected me to provide.
Exactly what you expect science to provide.
Exactly what you expect atheists to provide.

You had loads to say when demanding explanations from every one else...
So I find it rather odd that you all of a sudden lost your ability to talk at all.....

I didn't. But I'm not going to write a textbook either. So you need to narrow it down.

 

[Wildswanderer]

A rather interesting development we have here:

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That's not an explanation of God. You could fill volumes and never even get close to explaining God. It's simply an explanation of one thing that he did.

 

[Wildswanderer]

But, if you read Genesis 6-8, the firmament was something able to separate the waters above from the waters below. It was seen as a solid dome on which the sun, planets and stars were placed.

The 'sky' was that solid dome.

Also, in Genesis 5, Day and Night are created. That was before the sun and the moon.

So, that makes several things Genesis got badly wrong. It was the common view of the time (and the idea that the sky is a solid sphere lasted until around 1600AD).

1. The first American Dictionary, Webster’s 1828 Dictionary, defines a firmament as (2):
   
   “The region of the air; the sky or heavens. In scripture, the word denotes an expanse, a wide extent; for such is the signification of the Hebrew word, coinciding with regio, region, and reach. The original therefore does not convey the sense of solidity, but of stretching, extension; the great arch or expanse over our heads, in which are placed the atmosphere and the clouds, and in which the stars appear to be placed, and are really seen."
   

 

[ecco]

You can't have order without someone planning order.

Who planned your god?

Sure because life just formed from magic fairy dust, no agent needed ...

No. Life formed the same way molecules form. Atoms following the laws of nature.

On the other hand, was your god formed by magic fairy dust? If not, then how?

 

[ecco]

It's not a double standard. The atheists pretend they have superior knowledge.
They pretend to have an explanation for everything.

That is a blatant falsehood. Science, and people on RF, including atheists, admit there is currently no specific known process that produces "life". You know that. So why would you post something that is obviously untrue? Is it a Christian thing to make false statements in order to defend religious beliefs?

It's a level playing field. If you all don't have an explanation just say so, instead of mocking those who propose that the explanation is bigger than science.

Since you asked...For many things, science does not have an answer. The rational thing to do is admit we don't know everything. The irrational thing to do is to make up stories about magic men (women) in the sky.

Do you believe the earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun under the forces of gravity? Hundreds of years ago man did not know that. Does that mean that hundreds it was correct to credit a god with the daily appearance and disappearance of the sun? Did a god make the seasons? Did a god shift the path of the sun from farther north to farther south and back again?

GodDidIt was never a valid explanation for the unknown, not then, not now.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No. Life formed the same way molecules form. Atoms following the laws of nature.

Can't have laws without a law giver. Circular reasoning.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Does that mean that hundreds it was correct to credit a god with the daily appearance and disappearance of the sun? Did a god make the seasons? Did a god shift the path of the sun from farther north to farther south and back again?

Of course he does. He uses what we call natural means, but he maintains it all.

 

[McBell]

I didn't. But I'm not going to write a textbook either. So you need to narrow it down.

So you can not walk the walk nearly as well as you talk the talk.

No worries mate.
I expected as much.

 

[McBell]

That's not an explanation of God. You could fill volumes and never even get close to explaining God. It's simply an explanation of one thing that he did.

So it is not an explanation, it is merely an explanation?

Got it.

 

[rational experiences]

If men said I came from and am greater than God he proved that science belief. By human choice.

As he theories about God as any type of form he can gain abstract. Change. Convert. Get power and resource for his design. Machines.

Actually for the life machine. So it can function as a mechanical life.

So he knows as a human I personally am something higher. By using consciousness human.

As he is supposedly self supportive of self human life continuance. As his owned self. So we reminded him equal in life to you. Yet a theist pretends we are just cells or bacterias and not a life equal.

Proven evil human science choices lying.

So his brother says yet creation is owned by God first. It evolved in space. We don't own space space is space. Preaching to human liars.

If you remove God then we would de evolve our form. As to open God is to remove God and space actualising instead of form killed us. Sink holes.

The only higher place in a science thesis is the eternal released God thesis. The eternal has living beings within it. We came out of that body ourselves only after heavens existed.

Yet it is not a thesis it is a story. The difference in thinking claiming I know to I want. As a human was not in want they were supported by what they needed.

So then he says extra radiation microbes in water evolution. Came to change earths nature. It came from space.

Yet change is inside within heavens is not in space. Another science lie.

As he says we die we decompose we get left as microbes bacterial as bio loss yet they were always in water without us.

Bacterial invades the body when defence of living dies changes. Changes it.

So that status wrong.

Brother says and why do bones and fossils remain if that microbe theory was real?

Stone evolution from a hot burning mass.

Makes no sense.

If we were a God we would have been complete as a body of bones only. As God stone presence was first.

So he says life presence had to be instant.

In God themes the other instant status was ice.

So did most of you think the newly born was a human baby special being end of year rebirth. Yet it was ice return as without it only giant dinosaur would live? As a science teaching relevant life support human.

So knowing sciences history of evil life attack how come ice is melting?

Nothing to do with you theists looking back at dead bones of dinosaurs and bacterias! Or pre existing atmospheric gas states and experiments. You know forcing rain.

No. You are only correct humans.

So real correct humans natural own the argument God O earth and it's heavens present first.

The argument about God in science was living humans versus human theists. It was not about the theory of life.

Theist who theory as a human living claim cosmic themes first.

You seem to forget what arguing against science meant.

A human argument about human life attacked and human life continuance

God was stated to be one the planet in correct science themes God.

God was sealed complete holding within an evil God hell. Volcanic.
Evolution of God body cooling in space cooling also.

As natural vacuum was voiding heat.

Science by human observation said natural status of evolution just cooling.

We said our human life is instantly present after monkeys living were present. Humans thinking as a state instant self advice for self presence self continuance human.

As thinkers.

So science always claiming superiority said monkeys having sex produced a human.

If science theist made that claim discussing time shift then humans mutated in Moses pyramid caused attack would have ended up monkey like.

Rationally. By cause human theism thinking back or about non human presence.

Thin KING did it. Caused it.

Correct this king versus evil thinking.

Evil thinking to overthrow or overlord natural by change.

A human only ever owned a self human status I am instantly present instantly owned.

Human sex as humans for humans.

And outlawed fake human science theism about life.

Alchemy had actually been outlawed in human law. For one status known.....human scientists were our life destroyer as a theist designer.

What human science did to human life lying. The status what was naturally owned compared to what I wanted to own.

 

[ecco]

No. Life formed the same way molecules form. Atoms following the laws of nature.

Can't have laws without a law giver. Circular reasoning.

Reading comprehension problems? Laws of Nature, AKA physics.

I see you chose to ignore this...

On the other hand, was your god formed by magic fairy dust? If not, then how?

 

[ecco]

Of course he does. He uses what we call natural means, but he maintains it all.

Natural means? You mean the way that hydrogen and oxygen atoms combine to make a water molecule? You do realize that that is a stepping stone toward the natural production of organic molecules and amino acids and proteins. The next thing we know you are going to acknowledge the probability of this process creating living organisms and, eventually cells and humans. Are you becoming a believer in biologos?