Stuff Republicans say.

[sun rise]

In this thread, he had earlier asked for an example of falsely playing the race card. The link is corrected now.

And I edited/withdrew my cranky complaint.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I edited/withdrew my cranky complaint.

When I saw the fish head video, I though "Mein Gott! Alles ist verdumkopfed! Nicht da link Ich intendedschaffed!"

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Republicans throughout the country are signing cookie cutter LGBT discrimination "religious freedom" bills into law.

Indiana Governor Signs Anti-Gay 'Religious Freedom' Bill At Private Ceremony
"Today I signed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, becauseI support the freedom of religion for every Hoosier of every faith," Pence said in a statement Thursday. "The Constitution of the United States and the Indiana Constitution both provide strong recognition of the freedom of religion but today, many people of faith feel their religious liberty is under attack by government action."

I can't think of anything else that has had so many people here so pissed off. People and businesses from out of state are canceling things, we might loose Gencon, and I'm still waiting for just one person to provide for just one Bible verse where Jesus said it's ok to discriminate.

Republicans are at it once again trying to implement their version of Sharia law....

Arizona Tea Party senator: Church service should be mandatory to push ‘moral rebirth’

I'm so glad to be getting out of here.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm so glad to be getting out of here.

I'll be driving thru Arizona later this year.
Do you suppose they'll impose roadblocks to check upon my prayer habits?

 

[YmirGF]

I'll be driving thru Arizona later this year.
Do you suppose they'll impose roadblocks to check upon my prayer habits?

You wear a habit when praying? Ewwwww...

 

[Revoltingest]

You wear a habit when praying? Ewwwww...

If it's good enuf for Larry David, it's good enuf for me!

 

[sun rise]

When I saw the fish head video, I though "Mein Gott! Alles ist verdumkopfed! Nicht da link Ich intendedschaffed!"

Ich geseeing das Deutsch ist gut just liken mir

 

[Dirty Penguin]

And so it begins .....

Anonymous Indiana restaurant owner boasts that he’s already discriminated against gays

 

[Marisa]

I should point out that I recognize the "left" is not necessarily "Democrat", just as with those oft conflated terms, "conservative" & "Republican". But feminism (not all feminists, btw) in political discourse presents a dual standard....they want women elected, but just not pro-lifers or Republicans.

As a liberal, pro choice feminist I'd have to disagree with you here. Most like me don't care what any individual's personal opinion is. What we care about are what legislative efforts would look like. I'm sure there are female republican women who are against abortion but would not seek to criminalize it. Such women would be opposed for other reasons. Part of feminism is respecting every woman's right to choose, even if she chooses a different path than I would take.

 

[sun rise]

And so it begins .....

Anonymous Indiana restaurant owner boasts that he’s already discriminated against gays

They're fighting the tide of history.

 

[Revoltingest]

As a liberal, pro choice feminist I'd have to disagree with you here. Most like me don't care what any individual's personal opinion is. What we care about are what legislative efforts would look like. I'm sure there are female republican women who are against abortion but would not seek to criminalize it. Such women would be opposed for other reasons. Part of feminism is respecting every woman's right to choose, even if she chooses a different path than I would take.

I disagree about what feminism (in all its diversity) looks like, but I agree with you on the issues expressed.

 

[esmith]

In response to the hue and outcry about the post about the "Religious Freedom Law" in Indiana, you do realize that this law is not new. From Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Explained | The Weekly Standard

Stanford law professor Michael McConnell, a former appellate court judge, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD in an email: "In the decades that states have had RFRA statutes, no business has been given the right to discriminate against gay customers, or anyone else."

So what is the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and what does it say?

The first RFRA was a 1993 federal law that was signed into law by Democratic president Bill Clinton. It unanimously passed the House of Representatives, where it was sponsored by then-congressman Chuck Schumer, and sailed through the Senate on a 97-3 vote.

In addition if one is interested in facts not hyperbole
http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/columnists/tim-swarens/2015/03/28/swarens-gov-mike-pence-push-clarification-religious-freedom-law/70611906/

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In response to the hue and outcry about the post about the "Religious Freedom Law" in Indiana, you do realize that this law is not new. From Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Explained | The Weekly Standard

You do realize, back in the 60s, the Federal courts said discrimination is not allowed? And because you don't live here, don't assume this won't be used to discriminate.
Anonymous Indiana restaurant owner boasts that he’s already discriminated against gays
According to Pink News, a caller named “Ryan” appeared on Indianapolis’ RadioNOW 100.9 to say that he is already denying service to LGBT people. He declined, however, to give the name of his business.
“I’m 100 percent behind people’s lifestyles, and what they want to do, but I don’t want them to bring that into my place of business, and make other people that are there feel uncomfortable,” he said.
We are a nation that is established on freedom of and from religion. There were no overbearing restrictions prior to the signing, and a lot of businesses are pulling the plug here, so, minimally, it has caused damage to the state's economy.

 

[esmith]

You do realize, back in the 60s, the Federal courts said discrimination is not allowed. And because you don't live here, don't assume this won't be used to discriminate.
Survey: Atheists Know More About Religion Than Believers | TIME.com
According to Pink News, a caller named “Ryan” appeared on Indianapolis’ RadioNOW 100.9 to say that he is already denying service to LGBT people. He declined, however, to give the name of his business.
“I’m 100 percent behind people’s lifestyles, and what they want to do, but I don’t want them to bring that into my place of business, and make other people that are there feel uncomfortable,” he said.

Guess you didn't read the link

Stanford law professor Michael McConnell, a former appellate court judge, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD in an email: "In the decades that states have had RFRA statutes, no business has been given the right to discriminate against gay customers, or anyone else."

One would have to believe that the business owner has taken it upon himself to determine what he "thinks" the law means. If the couple that was discriminated against takes him to court it should bring a halt to idiots interpreting the law the way they think it should be.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Guess you didn't read the link

I guess you think you know more about the state than I do.
This state has been actively attempting to discriminate against the GLBT community, as well as favor the establishment of religion. Another bill here is trying to make it so employers can mandate religion and adhering to certain religious tenants a requirement for employment. Another bill wants to make it so the state can issue contracts to private religious organizations, organizations that do discriminate against GLBT. They can harp on about the '93 bill all they want, but the reality is this state is increasingly shifting towards a preference of Christian morality as law. Good god, we, tax paying legal-aged adults, can't even buy alcohol on Sundays because it's so conservative here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Guess you didn't read the link

One would have to believe that the business owner has taken it upon himself to determine what he "thinks" the law means. If the couple that was discriminated against takes him to court it should bring a halt to idiots interpreting the law the way they think it should be.

This place is also so conservative that about a decade ago a judge ordered two parents who were divorcing, both of them Wiccan, to not expose their child to any "non-mainstream" religion.
I live here, I what sort of things go on here. Even after the Supreme Court struck down the state law banning gay marriage (which prior to the State was trying to ban it at the constitutional level because they knew it would be harder to repeal), many of the state officials, including Pence, refused to honor gay marriage.

 

[sun rise]

In response to the hue and outcry about the post about the "Religious Freedom Law" in Indiana, you do realize that this law is not new. From Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Explained | The Weekly Standard



In addition if one is interested in facts not hyperbole
http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/columnists/tim-swarens/2015/03/28/swarens-gov-mike-pence-push-clarification-religious-freedom-law/70611906/

Your link does not go where you think it does when I clicked on it. It went to Abdulhaseeb v. Calbone, No. 08-6092 - U.S. Tenth Circuit But when I went to that link I found a blog not a discussion of the law.

Personally the text of the law does indeed follow roughly the text of the Federal law. But the reaction is more about the sudden passing of such laws just when there's a decent chance the Supreme Court will legalize gay marriage. So the reaction is more about the motives rather than the text. And there's legitimate concern on the part of a number of people about how the law will be used in practice not in theory assuming gay marriage does become legal. And to be fair, most of the media will sensationalize everything whether conservative or liberal.

 

[sun rise]

I guess you think you know more about the state than I do.
This state has been actively attempting to discriminate against the GLBT community, as well as favor the establishment of religion. Another bill here is trying to make it so employers can mandate religion and adhering to certain religious tenants a requirement for employment. Another bill wants to make it so the state can issue contracts to private religious organizations, organizations that do discriminate against GLBT. They can harp on about the '93 bill all they want, but the reality is this state is increasingly shifting towards a preference of Christian morality as law. Good god, we, tax paying legal-aged adults, can't even buy alcohol on Sundays because it's so conservative here.

Those are really good points to me, Shadow Wolf. Something might be relatively innocuous in and of itself but be part of a clear pattern.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But the reaction is more about the sudden passing of such laws just when there's a decent chance the Supreme Court will legalize gay marriage.

This sudden passing is how right-to-work was pushed through. There was massive protesting going on outside of the state building, but without even giving the citizens a choice in the matter it was passed.
The state was also supposed to update it's criminal code, as this state has some of the harshest penalties in America. And instead of lightening some of these offenses, and working to keep drug users out of jail and free up some jail space and save tax payer money, many sentences became even harsher.
I see the 1 in 4 statistic on college grads moving to at least 1 in 5, maybe 1 in 6, because this state showers companies that want to bring in low-tech factory jobs with money, and do not a damn thing to try and bring in companies that will bring in high-tech jobs that will retain college grads. This so-called "freedom of religion" bill is pretty much assuring that these companies that can offer jobs suitable for a college grad will stay out. The repercussions are so bad the state may end up loosing Gencon, which brings in a ton of money for the state (and all the amazing artwork that is on display).

 

[Marisa]

I guess you think you know more about the state than I do.
This state has been actively attempting to discriminate against the GLBT community, as well as favor the establishment of religion. Another bill here is trying to make it so employers can mandate religion and adhering to certain religious tenants a requirement for employment. Another bill wants to make it so the state can issue contracts to private religious organizations, organizations that do discriminate against GLBT. They can harp on about the '93 bill all they want, but the reality is this state is increasingly shifting towards a preference of Christian morality as law. Good god, we, tax paying legal-aged adults, can't even buy alcohol on Sundays because it's so conservative here.

Jeez, there's a place where Blue Laws still exist???? And I thought we were backward here in the South because we can't buy wine in a grocery store.