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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
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Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
firedragon
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paarsurrey
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Nobody could prove that verses [62:1] to[62:10]of Quran Chapter 62: Al-Jumu`ah on page 80 posted on Apr 21, 2016 post #1582 and [62:11] to[62:12] on page 81 posted on Apr 21, 2016 post #1604 , have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
Regards
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
Regards
paarsurrey
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You can explain yourself. I think you are good in English. You may express yourself fully.
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Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey said: ↑
Nobody could prove that verses [62:1] to[62:10]of Quran Chapter 62: Al-Jumu`ah on page 80 posted on Apr 21, 2016 post #1582 and [62:11] to[62:12] on page 81 posted on Apr 21, 2016 post #1604 , have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
Regards
Regards
Nobody could prove that verses [62:1] to[62:10]of Quran Chapter 62: Al-Jumu`ah on page 80 posted on Apr 21, 2016 post #1582 and [62:11] to[62:12] on page 81 posted on Apr 21, 2016 post #1604 , have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
Regards
And your arguments from Vedas or from Buddhist scripture or from Taoist scripture if any, please.
Regards
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
I must tell you that I've been holding still for 2 whole minutes after seeing your replies. Like, what is the root cause of your fundamental lashing out when your faith is called into question?
You cannot defend your faith but you want justification for others?
Why the hell should I give arguments from the Vedas?
Why should I read the Vedas?
Tell me WHY?
WHY DO YOU THINK I SHOULD READ IT?
And Buddhism and Taoism?
You're annoying and hilarious at the same time.
What about buddhism should I argue about?
Who's the God of Taoism?
paarsurrey
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In Islam God is described and introduced through His attributes and the goal set for Muslims is to emulate them to modulate their lives. The description of Tao, presented by Lao-tzu, is quite similar to the attributes of God mentioned in the Quran. He writes:
'The great Tao is vast. He is on the left and He is on the right. All creatures depend upon Him, and the care of them tires Him not. He brings creation to completion, without seeking reward. He provides for all His creation, but requires nothing for Himself, so He may be considered small. All creatures turn to Him for their needs, yet He keeps nothing for Himself, thus He may be named 'the Supreme'. He does not consider Himself great and because of this He is truly Great.' *
*DAN, L (1969) The Works of Lao Tzyy. Truth and Nature. The World Book Company, Ltd. Taipei, Taiwan, China. Ch.34, p.17
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html
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Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Islam has been twisting, copy pasting words of others for a long time.
Even Satanists could say that Allah is Satan. It's not that hard.
And Lao Tzu didn't believe in a deity but a principle of laws like of the Hindu Purusha.
paarsurrey
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I gave a quote about him.
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Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
No, no you didn't.
You twisted his words to validate your God.
Westerners who study Taoism are sometimes surprised to discover that Taoists venerate gods, as there doesn't seem to be a place for deities in Taoist thinking.
Taoism does not have a God in the way that the Abrahamic religions do. There is no omnipotent being beyond the cosmos, who created and controls the universe. In Taoism the universe springs from the Tao, and the Tao impersonally guides things on their way.
But the Tao itself is not God, nor is it a god, nor is it worshipped by Taoists.
This may seem surprising as Taoists do use 'God-talk' to refer to the Tao:
The Venerable Lord, the Tao, was at rest in open mystery, beyond silent desolation, in mysterious emptiness... Say it/he is there and do not see a shape; say it/he is not there, yet all beings follow him for life.
Taishang laojun kaitian jing, in Livia Kohn, The Taoist Experience: An Anthology, 1993
And they conventionally revere Lao Tsu both as the first god of Taoism and as the personification of the Tao.
Nonetheless, Taoism has many gods, most of them borrowed from other cultures. These deities are within this universe and are themselves subject to the Tao.
Many of the deities are gods of a particular role, rather than a personal divine being and have titles rather than names.
Books often describe the Taoist pantheon as a heavenly bureaucracy that mimics the secular administrations of Imperial China. Some writers think that this is the wrong way round and that the secular administrations took their cue from the structure of the heavens. Since the Imperial administrations and the religious culture of the time were closely intertwined this would not be surprising.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/taoism/beliefs/gods.shtml
paarsurrey
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I was not talking about Taoists but the Tao and his attributes mentioned by Lao Tzyy. And I quoted a passage from him in post #1650 above. Now I give another:
'Looked for but not visible, such a Being may be colourless. Listened for but not heard, such a Being may be called Silent. Grasped for but not caught, such may be called Concealed. No one can comprehend the ultimate source of these three qualities, but they are found in one Being. Though not luminous yet below Him there is no darkness. Being infinite He cannot be described. All His shapes keep returning to nothingness, thus we can say He is Shapeless; His image is without form. He is beyond comprehension (being the rarest of things). Try to reach His beginning, no beginning can be seen. Seek His end, no end can be perceived. Therefore, follow the ancient ways and improve your present.' *
*DAN, L (1969) The Works of Lao Tzyy. Truth and Nature. The World Book Company, Ltd. Taipei, Taiwan, China. Ch.14, p.6
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html
Regards
firedragon
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Fabulous rant.
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Defenders of Christianity and Islam see everything else as a rant. Though its a better upgrade from devil worship.
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
I was not talking about Taoists but the Tao and his attributes mentioned by Lao Tzyy. And I quoted a passage from him in post #1650 above. Now I give another:
'Looked for but not visible, such a Being may be colourless. Listened for but not heard, such a Being may be called Silent. Grasped for but not caught, such may be called Concealed. No one can comprehend the ultimate source of these three qualities, but they are found in one Being. Though not luminous yet below Him there is no darkness. Being infinite He cannot be described. All His shapes keep returning to nothingness, thus we can say He is Shapeless; His image is without form. He is beyond comprehension (being the rarest of things). Try to reach His beginning, no beginning can be seen. Seek His end, no end can be perceived. Therefore, follow the ancient ways and improve your present.' *
*DAN, L (1969) The Works of Lao Tzyy. Truth and Nature. The World Book Company, Ltd. Taipei, Taiwan, China. Ch.14, p.6
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html
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Sweetheart, read the Tao Te Ching.
Giving individual replies to annoying queries is getting a little too much
firedragon
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Another.
paarsurrey
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"The Tao sounds like a fairly reasonable 'God' concept, loosely speaking. Obviously it doesn't have the triple nature of The Trinity."
http://philosophy.stackexchange.com...beliefs-about-god-and-the-physical-world?rq=1
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InvestigateTruth
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How about the argument that the Quran itself is giving?
It is said in Quran that if anyone is saying, Muhammad copied stories and revised in the form of Quran, then bring a Surrah like it.
Why not giving the argument that the Quran itself has set forth?
It is said in Quran that if anyone is saying, Muhammad copied stories and revised in the form of Quran, then bring a Surrah like it.
Why not giving the argument that the Quran itself has set forth?