Attention, Trump Supporters

[Stevicus]

Did you just write:

the North Korean leader is manipulating him
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No. Of course you didn't. I just excerpted some of your words.

Well, even the "excerpt" didn't even come close to saying that. But whatever.

Are you aware of the four minute video, made by the Administration, that was presented at the start of the Kim - Trump press conference?

Link:

Reporters thought this video was North Korea propaganda. It came from the White House.​

Sorry, there's a paywall, and I've used my allotment of free articles from the Post.

I'm sure that excerpts of this are/will be shown to the people of NK. I'm sure that it will be made known that this video was made by the Trump Administration in praise of the Glorious Leader.

Are you really OK with Trump providing Kim this kind of propaganda? I guess maybe you are right, America's enemies aren't manipulating him. They don't even have to since Trump just gives them what they want.

Did you ever see a US movie called "Mission To Moscow"?

Okay, so I found the video from another source which doesn't have a paywall: Donald Trump's unusual North Korea video, explained

According to one of the analysts quoted in the article, it wasn't intended for US audiences anyway:

"It may seem odd to us, but we were not the intended audience," Cull said. "It was meant to be the advisers around Kim and Kim himself, and we do not know whether this was a success or failure until we know what they thought. If they were impressed, it was a success."

The video may come off a bit cheesy. However, if the objective here is peace with North Korea and a safer world, then I don't see how this video would hurt that goal.

 

[ecco]

The one benefit of being a free-thinking non-conformist is that one is able to recognize those who are not far more easily than the reverse. The conformists who can only think inside a certain box are quick to dismiss non-conformists as "ignorant" of the one twue way, and that's how the Trump-bashers come across.

ig·no·rant
ˈiɡnərənt/
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general;
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Please see my previous posts regarding "head in sand".

 

[Shushersbedamned]

The video may come off a bit cheesy. However, if the objective here is peace with North Korea and a safer world, then I don't see how this video would hurt that goal.

how could tbat be the objective?

 

[ecco]

On the other hand, there are others who think for themselves and don't let their views be unduly influenced by media propaganda or the heavy-handed, overbearing types that one might find in political discussions.

How meaningful is it to "think for oneself" if one ignores demonstrable facts.

 

[Estro Felino]

How meaningful is it to "think for oneself" if one ignores demonstrable facts.

For example...in my country we think for ourselves.
We have never believed in the lies about Putin spread by the American political lobby, but we will support Putin and officially recognize Crimea as Russian.

Which is your Country?

Italy

 

[Shushersbedamned]

For example...in my country we think for ourselves.
We have never believed in the lies about Putin spread by the American political lobby, but we will support Putin and officially recognize Crimea as Russian.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑

Your neighbor throws garbage into your yard. Your wife and kids tell you how bad the yard is stinking up because your neighbor throws garbage into your yard. You don't confront your neighbor about him throwing garbage into your yard. But you want to bury the hatchet with him and embark on a friendly, cooperative relationship. Even as he continues to throw garbage into your yard.​

Did Russia throw garbage into our yard?

The United States Congress voted 98-2 to impose sanctions on Russia and Russians for election meddling.

Are you unaware of that?

Are you also unaware that one of the things that brought about the Mueller investigation was that Flynn met with Russians to tell them that Trump would not impose the sanctions.

 

[ecco]

Well, even the "excerpt" didn't even come close to saying that. But whatever.

Yeah, that's the point of my comment. A nice American made video that Kim can edit as he sees fit.

Okay, so I found the video from another source which doesn't have a paywall: Donald Trump's unusual North Korea video, explained
According to one of the analysts quoted in the article, it wasn't intended for US audiences anyway:

Oh, so it was intended for Kim to edit and use as propaganda for his people. That's what I said, glad you agree.

The video may come off a bit cheesy. However, if the objective here is peace with North Korea and a safer world, then I don't see how this video would hurt that goal.

See above.

 

[ecco]

For example...in my country we think for ourselves.
We have never believed in the lies about Putin spread by the American political lobby, but we will support Putin and officially recognize Crimea as Russian.

Which is your Country?

 

[Stevicus]

Vague? Non-specific?
Here are 25 Trump tweets - all false.

All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact​

Here...

Trump’s lies corrode democracy​

...is an article that is not vague and very specific.

I read through the statements cited in the first link, and it looks more like a judgment call. Perhaps a few misstatements which could be seen as simple mistakes - nothing to get one's panties in a bunch over. That's what I mean by vague and non-specific. These are just minor things that mean nothing to most everyone except those who have some kind of ax to grind against Trump. Try again.

If you really believe what you wrote, it can only be because you intentionally avoid the obvious truth. Like these guys...

No, it's just that I look at things with my own eyes and draw my own conclusions without someone badgering and goading me to try to get me to see it their way and only their way. I am a free thinker, and I don't allow Trump or his detractors to do my thinking for me. That's the difference between me and you.

Now, if you have some kind of actual argument to make to convince me, then by all means, I'm all ears. But if all you have are politically-motivated blind links, along with your usual condescension and ridicule, then I have to assume that your whole purpose in this discussion is agenda-driven.

(All emphases mine)
Watch: Rick Santorum confronted with 3,001 Trump lies, immediately tries to pivot to Obama

"Does he lie?" Cuomo pressed on.

"I don't know," Santorum responded. "He certainly says things that don't comport with the facts...I don’t like calling people liars, but the reality is this president has a problem," Santorum finally conceded.​

Why should I care what Rick Santorum has to say? He's just another hack, one of many in this whole sick charade.

CNN host Anderson Cooper put Ohio Representative Jim Jordan in the hot seat Monday night, grilling the conservative lawmaker on the topic of whether he'd ever heard President Donald Trump lie. After trying to deflect the question, Jordan eventually shook his head and said, "I have not."

Watch: GOP congressman who said Trump doesn't lie fumbles when confronted with evidence

"I've never heard the president... He's always been square with me, that's for darn sure," Jordan said when asked if he'd heard Trump make false claims. When Cooper pressed the lawmaker on whether Trump had said untrue things to the public, Jordan attempted to deflect the question, hesitating over his answer, and then said, "I don't know of it. Nothing comes to mind."

Cooper then brought up the widely circulated compendium of the president's lies, published by The Washington Post. Jordan said he had not seen the article.​

I've seen the article which was referred to, and again, it's all low-grade stuff. Like the supposed "lie" about how many people attended the presidential nomination. Who cares? They must really be digging the bottom of the barrel to find such things and parade them around to the public, as if anyone is supposed to be impressed.

Obviously, you are impressed, and you're trying to convince the same thing that you are seeing.

But I just don't see it. How do you look at the world anyway? Do you just have your head glued to the mainstream media to tell you what is going in the world?

 

[Stevicus]

Well for starters most people consider lying to be immoral. Politifact can provide independent statistics so you can compare Trump to Obama for instance.

Politicians lie all the time. It goes with the territory. It just depends on the nature and the significance of the lie. Sometimes it's not always making a false statement or one not supported by the facts. Sometimes, it's a matter of presentation and how someone tells something. Sometimes it's a matter of presenting a false image to the public or propagating myths (such as the "American Dream").

Any politician that does not say that Wall Street is evil, that the bankers are evil, and does not rile up the public against them and other institutions which have been screwing the American people for so long is the worst kind of liar to ever pervade politics. Trump didn't say that, neither did Obama, and neither did Hillary. That makes them all the same.

If Obama was so great, then why didn't he lock up the insurance executives, the corporate CEO's, the bankers, the real estate moguls, and all of the rest of those scumbags? If he really cared about America, he would have. Why didn't he do that? Trump isn't doing that either, although at least he's giving something back to the American people by opposing free trade (something else Obama and Clinton refused to do). It's still the lesser of two evils, but there's no greater evil than a sell-out.

All you can focus on is minutia, while I'm looking at the bigger picture.

 

[Stevicus]

I guess you don't believe NK is listed as one of the top 5 repressive nations in the world.

I'll not bother posting the "head in sand" picture again.

Well, I don't know about any "top 5" or "top 10" lists (although they're usually pretty subjective), but I do look at Freedom House's rankings every so often:

A lot of the purple (not free) countries may be considered US allies or major trading partners (such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, China). But perhaps you think we should not have diplomatic relations or trade with those countries either. At least that would be a principled stance to take, but I doubt you're paying that much attention to even notice.

And then you have the audacity to say that I have my head in the sand. Look yourself in the mirror before presuming to judge others.

Even the countries in yellow are questionable, such as Pakistan or Mexico.

The bottom line is, I never really believed any of this "evil empire" talk when Reagan spewed such nonsense, so why are so many supposed "Democrats" spewing it out now?

 

[1137]

Forget about any reason you may have had for not wanting Hillary Clinton in office. That's in the past. Trump won the election and now serves as our President. My question to you is,

Why do you continue to support Trump?


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I actually didn't support Trump, and I definitely think the man is an egotistical buffoon. Ther said, I like him somewhat mor because:

1. The Islamic state has been brought down many notches.

2. The opiod crisis is being addressed even if the method needs refinement.

3. The Korean war is over.

4. Trump refuses to be walked over by other countries.

5. Increase in American jobs.

6. Decrease in unemployment especially in minorities.

7. Iran definitely should not have nuclear weapons.

8. In general I love how Trump understands the danger of basically having mini cold wars. When asked why he would stand up to people like Korea he stated "so your family isn't killed by nukes!" I like that.

9. Most entertaining presidentcy for sure.

10. I didn't believe it but the far left actually really helps. Much easier to emphasize and consider the good when there are tons of children throwing tantrums about how Trump is basically Hitler. Honestly if there was an election today I'd be terrified to let the lefts choice run this country.

 

[Stevicus]

how could tbat be the objective?

So, you're against peace?

 

[Stevicus]

How meaningful is it to "think for oneself" if one ignores demonstrable facts.

I haven't ignored anything. I just don't agree with the spin or the commentary.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

So, you're against peace?

No.

 

[Stevicus]

ecco said: ↑

Your neighbor throws garbage into your yard. Your wife and kids tell you how bad the yard is stinking up because your neighbor throws garbage into your yard. You don't confront your neighbor about him throwing garbage into your yard. But you want to bury the hatchet with him and embark on a friendly, cooperative relationship. Even as he continues to throw garbage into your yard.​

The United States Congress voted 98-2 to impose sanctions on Russia and Russians for election meddling.

Are you unaware of that?

Yes, I was aware of that. What's your point?

Are you also unaware that one of the things that brought about the Mueller investigation was that Flynn met with Russians to tell them that Trump would not impose the sanctions.

Why don't actually come up with an original argument, rather than asking me what I'm aware of? I think it's pretty clear that I already know more about this topic than you, which is why I'm making original arguments while you can only counter with parroted soundbites.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Yes, I was aware of that. What's your point?



Why don't actually come up with an original argument, rather than asking me what I'm aware of? I think it's pretty clear that I already know more about this topic than you, which is why I'm making original arguments while you can only counter with parroted soundbites.

Oh no. I share their arguments largely. They will soon stop discussing with you when they realize that you are not trying to be right. And that is for the best. Life is too shiort to be shared with a parrot.

 

[Stevicus]

Which is your Country?

Which is yours?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Some posters here label us "Trump supporter" merely because we voted for him in order to oppose her.
With the label based solely upon this singular historical event, it cannot be changed.
Sound stupid?
Tis a question best left unasked & unanswered.

Of course it can be changed. Just because you've supported Trump in the past doesn't mean you have to be a Trump supporter forever.

Your vote only means that you were a Trump supporter on November 8, 2016 (or some earlier date if you voted in an advanced poll). Whether you continued to be a Trump supporter after that depends on your attitudes and actions since then.