McBell
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My thoughts on Covid Vaccine
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Shadow Wolf
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I agreed with others because short and harsh replies, no explanation or anything, often does indicate a nerve was hit. Some here are known for it.
I have my reservations OB. We need the medics because they are part of our medical establishment, but my grievance is with the powers behind the medicine. If the ones who manufacture the drugs are the ones who train doctors in the practice of medicine, and a great part of that medical practice is to prescribe the drugs that gain huge profits for big pharma, then don't we have to go by their success rate? How many cures are you seeing for any of the conditions that drugs are prescribed for? If all you have is relief from your symptoms, is that really a cure if you have to take their drugs for the rest of your life?
I am not saying that drugs have no place in medicine.....many of the drugs used even today are based on plants that have been used for thousands of years. The difference being, you cannot patent a plant, so you have to select a component, synthesize it, and then test it to see if it kills anyone. There are usually horrible side effects, which is the body's way of showing rejection to what is being put into it. If you then need other drugs to stop these symptoms, how is the body going to give you its warning signal? Are you getting an idea of where I'm coming from?
Who dictates to the government about drugs and "approved" treatments? Its not that the officials are cheats and criminals, but they trust the "scientists" who tell them 'big fat porky pies'.
You apparently have high blood pressure and maybe even Raynard's syndrome if you are taking two different blood pressure medications. There are natural ways to control blood pressure.
The statins have been known to cause kidney or liver problems and increased risk of stroke in some patients. I was prescribed statins once, but the muscle pain was horrible. I found natural ways to reduce cholesterol through diet.
I am sorry if you have prostate gland problems....it is common in older men sad to say. But there are again natural ways to address the problem.
Iron and folic acid are supplements available in your local supermarket...they are not drugs.
Big pharma's tentacles are everywhere OB....Britain is no more immune than Australia is to their influence.....why else would cannabis be banned in so many countries with no actual evidence that it ever caused anyone harm? Did you know that there is not one recorded death from a cannabis OD...ever? How many deaths are recorded from pharma drugs each year?
New Prescription Drugs: A Major Health Risk With Few Offsetting Advantages
Could it be one of your medications that caused your problem? Would they tell you?
We need doctors OB, I'm not arguing that....but do we need the drugs that big pharma makes its fortunes promoting? Are they really the best medicine?
Its not the NHS that's at fault, OB......plenty of people have already sounded the alarm, especially with the epidemic of opioid addictions caused by the over prescription of pain killers, but big pharma has a lot of power. Pain killers are their best sellers....they don't care about people, only their profits. Dissenting voices are silenced or discredited by clever lawyers.
I'm not speaking for others as this is a personal choice.....I am just airing my own concerns.
I will not have the shot unless I am convinced that it is safe, long term. In the meantime I will do my best to make sure that I don't personally put others or myself at risk.
A strong immune system.....that is what will keep the body from succumbing to any kind of infection. But if there is a chink in the armor for some reason, and the bug gets through, I will take alternative medicine before I will touch pharma drugs. Massive doses of Vitamin C and a range of other supplements would be my first port of call.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Wow! A mega-post, Deeje. I will reply 'one para at a time' if that's ok.
No, Deeje. The ones who manufature drugs do not train our doctors. The Training Hospitals and Universities train em. The world is full of greedies and cheats, Deeje, but why you would think that they all bee-line for the pharmacy industry is strange to me.
My wife works with veterinary surgeons, some of them qualified in Oz, most in Universities here. I've just asked her and she tells me that her little sugery (about 6 vets) is owned by a huge veterinary care group which is owned by a pension plan, and although medication and drug makers and suppliers do visit her surgery to offer 'lunch and learn' services to vets, nurses and receptionists this huge veterinary body lists what drugs its surgeries can supply without special permission, and dedicated staff at HQ monitor what is good and bad. The vets would know if a poor drug was being pushed by HQ in a flash, Deeje! These people are amazing, with 7 year's training, they (most of them) hold doctorates, speak three or more languages (amazing!!) have backgrounds like holding Cambridge blues etc....... very amazing people, and they don't need to dirty their records with dirt money...... no no...
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Next para.......
Again..... No! Pharmaceutical products are not just about grabbing money with greedy hands and patenting etc. Many pharmacy folks want to do that work well.
I know that plants are free, but if you think I'm going to go searching in the woods for a weed or mushroom for my tummy problem (whatever) because my body will not reject anything then you've got some hope. I'll get a prescription from my doctor. At least I'll be sure that a squirrel hasn't wee'd all over it.
I was saved (for sure) by medication in 2003 and every day since then has been a bonus day, and so far my body has not died..... I've lived beyond what I thought was possible and certainly don't shiver with worry every time I take my tabs.
Oh...... and I'm a Deist, not a person who believes in an afterlife...... Well???
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Now that's a very distorted mindset indeed..... 'scientists all tell big fat porky pies...' That reminds me of extreme atheists who try to tell me that (for instance) all JW elders are wicked........ I accept neither opinions.
I take my blood pressure three times every day. I adjust the lercanidipine according to the results. I never get a result under 140/-- and if I do I feel feint.... that's how long I've had blood pressure for, and if I listened to any naturalist told me to skip my meds and go 'natural' I don'#t expect that I would be about for long.
That's your experience. I've had that discussion with the specialist who just operated upon me and he told me that none of my meds have brought about my problems.
I don't, because I listened to my doctor, took the Tamsulosen prescribed and it chaged my life. Obviously supplied and prescribed by greedy villains, eh?
Yres they are drugs, just like aspirin or ibuprofen, all can be bought in shops........ and doctors prescribe them. You see? Even you would use such drugs.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
And No again. Our Governmenmt didn't ban various drugs because it helped the pharmacy companies. They banned them because private social users were getting in to trouble with money and then commiting crimes, becoming very ill or getting involved in drug gangs, etc etc......
I would merrily support legislation for free use of cannabis, with taxed provision through retail. Might even support ending all drug bans because the gangs would have to think of something else to get involved in, the police would be freed to go policing, the taxable revenue would more than pay for the health problems and Gang murders would dwindle by comparison. Anyway.... that's a thought.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
You keep on about Big Pharma, Deeje. I don't suppose you own a washing machine by Big Electric do you?..... those villains! Or a computer made by Big Digital? You buy where it suits you, all brought to you by 'scientists' Deeje, but maybe some branches suit you and others don't?
Any problems caused by any medications haven't killed me yet, Deeje, so I guess I'll keep on with them, but I won't be listening to anybody who thinks I can save myself without my doctor's (and specialist's) prescriptions in favour of digging up a root anytime soon.
Is your dislike of 'scientists' in any way connected with the fact that researchers, mathematicians, astronomers, physicists et al have shown beyond reasonable doubt that the Universe is about Fourteen Thousand Million of our years in age, and now many are looking at Multiverses? I wonder....
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Opiod pain killers........ Ah! Deeje, are you talking about Morphine etc?
Oh, blessed Morphine! Both my wife and I have been in such agony at various times...... and Morphine delivered by syringe and/or by catheter ....... such blessed relief. Yet we neither of us have ever purchased any illegal drug, ever in our whole lives.
The day you are in agony, let them help you with morphine, is my suggestion....
Simon lives just down the road. He owns a motorcycle business. Back in the day he raced a combination and after a dreadful accident they p[ut him back together but he only has three fingers on each hand... the levers took a finger away on each side. Simon survives because he is allowed to self serve with morphine every day. It would be a very wicked person who self righteously removed his right to it, and free of charge at that.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Where I live you can refuse the shot, but our surgery now has the facilities to receive and distribute it to the patients and this morning a long queue of elderly patients had lined up to receive it from the surgery nursing staff.
I saw them when I brought my wife to surgery for a blood test. Thousands (each day) have already received this vaccination and there will be occasional 'reactions' in some folks, which criminals will escalate up to anaphylactic (?) shock when they spew their lies across the media for hysterical reactions. Those with a real history of such shocks won't have the jab, I expect.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Ah....... vitamin supplements? Yeah....... the pharmaceutical companies make all of those. Big Pharma!!
A strong immune system? You mean 'the right immune system' for the particular virus or bacteria which is attacking you, in this case a viral infection. And don't forget, a very very strong immune system can be very very dangerous. Some immune systems can attack the patient.
Wandering Monk
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Let's not forget about Big Supp, a multi-billion dollar industry that has sometimes killed people.
FRONTLINE | Supplements and Safety | Season 2016 | Episode 2
FRONTLINE | Supplements and Safety | Season 2016 | Episode 2
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And any misused supplements will not have killed anywhere near as many people as pharma drugs have. Maybe you need to look that up?
Strangely, supplements for boosting the immune system became very hard to find as this pandemic took hold....people realized that prevention was better than cure. All the supplements that boost the immune system were as rare on the shelves as toilet paper. Some of them still are.
Like drugs, supplements are best prescribed by natural health professionals. Any overdose of anything can be dangerous. It’s about educating yourself or rely on those who have done their studies.
The orthodox medical system has painted the natural health professionals as "quacks" because they refuse to support their drug based system of medicine. But natural medicines work by aiding the body to heal itself, rather than just alleviating symptoms and giving patients a false sense of 'getting better'. The underlying cause of any ongoing health issue is hardly ever addressed, meaning that it creates customers for life who are convinced that they need these drugs to stay alive.
I have consulted alternative practitioners for many decades after getting frustrated with the orthodox medical system. I got sick of them not being able to diagnose health issues and guessing about a diagnosis and then prescribing drugs that were useless, or that had horrible side effects.
It started with my daughter, who in her early teens was having problems with various things she ate, most especially fatty foods, and she would become very ill. Doctors could find nothing wrong with her and there was nothing they could offer to help.
I took her to a local naturopath who diagnosed a problem with her gall bladder and offered some naturopathic drops that would aid the organ to heal itself. After a few weeks she was cured. And now in her 40's, she has not had the problem since. This has been my experience ever since.
It was the success of the treatment, and the non-invasive and painless diagnosis that I found to be way better than what the orthodox system offered. No blood tests, or invasive internal procedures....just accurate diagnosis and specific treatments recommended that worked with no side effects.
It’s a shame that the medical insurance companies only support orthodox medicine, though some will fund Chiropractic treatment and some massage therapies, but little else. (That is the case in Australia anyway) People are financially locked into a system that does not work as well as natural medicine does IMO.
Just for the record...we are not talking about surgery so much as drug therapy. Surgery certainly has an important role to play when a body needs the kind of repair that natural therapies cannot address. (e.g. broken limbs etc)
Some of the natural health professions have spent as much time in training for their profession as MD's do. Sure there are 'quacks' who just want to cash in, but you choose your natural therapist the same way you choose a doctor......either on recommendation or by experience.
OB, the pharma industry funds the Training Hospitals and Universities and have for decades. Doctors are trained to prescribe their drugs because that is what they believe "medicine" is. Only in lands where traditional medicine is still practiced do they have a choice to stick to their traditional ways.
Doctors are trained to know their pharmacology....i.e. what drug to prescribe for what ailment.
Again, not all drugs are bad, but some are just cash cows.
The Veterinary industry is also at the mercy of big pharma....its second biggest customer I think.
Vets are also trained to use drugs in their therapies. The whole system is set up to make sure that money continues to flow into already burgeoning coffers. Do you know how expensive drugs are for pets these days, not to mention all their vaccinations?
I do not dispute this.....what I am saying is that a pernicious greed overtook the practice of medicine and convinced even the doctors that drugs were the only way to go. Who tests and approves these drugs? Who sets the standard of their efficacy? Who determines whether the side effects are worse than the condition?
No one said you had to search in the woods OB. These supplements are available through health food stores and practitioners. The work is all done for you and the dosage is regulated and no squirrel pee was involved in the making....
I am speaking from my own experience OB...what you choose to do is up to you. All I am suggesting is that things are not as they seem when huge profits are involved. "The love of money is the root of all evil"....we know that's true.
I have no belief in an afterlife either.....though I do believe in a restoration of life because that is what I believe will allow God to finish what he started here. (but that's another topic)
I think you'd be shocked at what and who money can buy....scientists are not saints you know. They are as corruptible anyone.
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No natural therapist would tell you to go off your medication without a thorough assessment of why your blood pressure is high in the first place. You see, that's the difference between the two systems....one will get to the cause whilst the other simply addresses the symptoms. That is why I personally prefer the natural system. For me, it works.
You think he would tell you anyway?
Did it fix the problem or are you taking it for the rest of whatever?
Aspirin is derived from willow bark, but ibuprofen is a manufactured drug which taken for any length of time, like all anti-inflammatory meds, (even aspirin) can cause stomach problems in many people.
My husband had a huge hemorrhage because of ibuprofen, taken for pain. It was a traumatic experience seeing him vomit up so much blood.
I am also unable to take anti-inflammatory drugs because of stomach issues. I'd be glad to try cannabis but the laws here are ridiculous.....even those on prescription from a doctor can be booked for driving with cannabis in their system....what a joke!
I was only talking about Cannabis OB....they banned cannabis because it was going to compete with their patent drugs. If they were interested in stopping people from harming themselves and others, they'd have banned alcohol and tobacco which cause way more harm in the community that cannabis ever could. As I said, not a single recorded overdose of cannabis ever killed anyone.
Indeed, cannabis existed for thousands of years as an important medicine in all nations, but don't you have to wonder why they picked cannabis to demonize when it was never harmful in the first place. They are discovering so many applications for the various strains of this plant and their ability to ease pain, anxiety and suffering in so many conditions....what medicinal properties does alcohol have? Which of the two causes the most harm every day of the week in ED's across the world? Which one fuels domestic violence?
Appliances don't kill you OB...computers don't either...its not just about the commercialism...its about the lies. Its about perception management, which is a mind science designed to lead people in a certain direction.....fueled by propaganda that convinces them to adopt a certain view that is constantly fed to them. Its the oldest trick in the advertising handbook....make the other fella's product look harmful or useless and tell people that yours is better. They still fall for it.
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I wouldn't expect you to OB...I am merely giving you my own experience and the results of my own research. What you choose to do has nothing to do with me. I would never interfere with anyone's choice in this matter.....but the choice should be an informed one...shouldn't it?
LOL, I don't think so.....didn't you know that we believe that the Universe is millions of years old? We are not YEC's you know.
No one really knows what is "out there" except the one who created it...and I don't believe he did that for no good reason...
When one requires immediate pain relief of course the pain drugs are the first line of treatment, but its when the first line becomes a continuous line that the trouble begins. Addiction often follows and overdose become common as their bodies become accustomed to heavy doses, demanding more and more for the same level of relief.
I have read where opioids are responsible for more deaths that all illicit drugs combined.
Simon survives because he is allowed to self serve with morphine every day. It would be a very wicked person who self righteously removed his right to it, and free of charge at that.
No one is suggesting the removal of anything OB....I am merely pointing out the dangers. This man is probably having enough morphine to kill an elephant.
The pharma corporations will always go where the money is....don't you find it interesting that these ones are the first to tell you that supplements don't work, and yet here they are manufacturing them...why? because people are now turning to alternative medicine and supplements in their droves. Sick of being sick and never getting off the pharma treadmill.
I never buy from them. I always source my supplements from reputable manufacturers who have no ties to big pharma.
I think you mean an auto-immune disorder which means an over active immune system, that will work to attack the body rather than to heal it......that isn't a strong one....its a defective one.
The purpose in all of this dialogue is to expose the powers that rule this world and how they will stop at nothing to gain the upper hand. I don't think that people have any idea how powerful their influence is in this world, but those who have a belief in God understand why things are as bad as they are. Sadly the days of trust are gone and as these 'last days' progress, I believe we will see more and more of those institutions in which we once trusted, exposed as the crooks and liars that they always were, but were good at hiding it.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
He told me I needed to be at the emercency care desk of K&C Hospital the very next morning at 9am! And he's a speciaslist......... so that could mean yopu think he's a quack, then?You think he would tell you anyway?
Both drugs are produced by BIG_PHARMA as you call it and sold in pharmacies, mostly.
Why are you buying either?
No joke.
The police here see accidents where the bad driver was high on cannabis.
So you want drug-driving to be legal?
Such a bad guess. So wrong.
But by all means deregulate cannabis.
You're telling me about ;'them' again, I see?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I wouldn't expect you to OB...I am merely giving you my own experience and the results of my own research. What you choose to do has nothing to do with me. I would never interfere with anyone's choice in this matter.....but the choice should be an informed one...shouldn't it?
LOL, I don't think so.....didn't you know that we believe that the Universe is millions of years old? We are not YEC's you know.
No one really knows what is "out there" except the one who created it...and I don't believe he did that for no good reason...
When one requires immediate pain relief of course the pain drugs are the first line of treatment, but its when the first line becomes a continuous line that the trouble begins. Addiction often follows and overdose become common as their bodies become accustomed to heavy doses, demanding more and more for the same level of relief.
I have read where opioids are responsible for more deaths that all illicit drugs combined.
No one is suggesting the removal of anything OB....I am merely pointing out the dangers. This man is probably having enough morphine to kill an elephant.
The pharma corporations will always go where the money is....don't you find it interesting that these ones are the first to tell you that supplements don't work, and yet here they are manufacturing them...why? because people are now turning to alternative medicine and supplements in their droves. Sick of being sick and never getting off the pharma treadmill.
I never buy from them. I always source my supplements from reputable manufacturers who have no ties to big pharma.
I think you mean an auto-immune disorder which means an over active immune system, that will work to attack the body rather than to heal it......that isn't a strong one....its a defective one.
The purpose in all of this dialogue is to expose the powers that rule this world and how they will stop at nothing to gain the upper hand. I don't think that people have any idea how powerful their influence is in this world, but those who have a belief in God understand why things are as bad as they are. Sadly the days of trust are gone and as these 'last days' progress, I believe we will see more and more of those institutions in which we once trusted, exposed as the crooks and liars that they always were, but were good at hiding it.
I'll reply to all your other posts this evening Deeje.
Just now I must drive to Asford Hosp[ital for a nuclear liquid Scan to see how all that work done on me is progressing. Who made the liquid?
Villains, Deeje! Wicked villains!
Must go.....
Did I say these doctors are quacks? I have great respect for many doctors, especially the ones who bother to do their research and who have years of experience in their fields. Surgeons are high on my list actually. You see we need both kinds of medicine because one compliments the other....or they could if there was not so much competition for the almighty dollar and pride getting in the way.
I know that a good many doctors have taken a stand against the corrupt practices of big pharma and were willing to forsake their medical licences to offer people real medicine....the kind that heals.
I’m not a pill popper and never have been OB. But if I get a headache (which is not very often) I might take an aspirin.
I have arthritis in my back and knee, but for that I take fish oil and glucosamine. I would never take ongoing pain meds for that.
You seem determined to put words in my mouth again....do I want drug-driving to be legal? You think?
What do you know about cannabis as a medicine OB?
The strains used for pain management are high in CBD and low in THC (the psychoactive component that gives the “high”) so you see there would be no “drug-driving” only people not distracted by the effects of strong pain medication (which can also impair driving) or pain. CBD does not impair driving.
People who are dangerous drivers are more likely to be drunk, or affected by other drugs, not affected by medicinal cannabis.
It isn’t a guess and it isn’t wrong. Why else would they demonise a harmless plant that is nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol? Why not ban alcohol too? Ask the ED workers which drug leads to the most problems for them every week?
If it’s legal to make your own wine and beer, why shouldn’t it be legal to use a plant to alleviate pain and anxiety and a host of other problems? It’s not addictive, did you know? And they are finding more and more medicinal uses for this amazing plant.....God given medicine.
Yes...”them”......I believe that “they” have way more influence on the way we live and die, than you can imagine.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Ha ha!
So you don't like any of the pharmaceutical industry..... unless it's producinhg your chosen medications such as aspirin or vitamin tabs....... that's what it looks like.
And so if ever a pharmaceutical giant might fund a medical service this must be because it's a greedy conniving wicked body, eh?
I picked one hospital here....... the one that saved my wife in 2014.
By all means pick out the bribery and corruption for me.
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Please show me all the bribery and corruption.
Oh....... and good deeds are not bribes..... remember that.
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