Do you trust God?

[Suave]

No you too... Omnipotence has nothing to do with the ability to write. God can only DO what is withing His nature to do. God is not a human so God cannot write.

Case closed.

I have no qualms with there being a God who can't write, but then I would not consider this as being omnipotent.

 

[Trailblazer]

This doesn't follow logically in the slightest: "God cannot write because God is not a human," and yet you believe that God therefore needs to communicate (somehow) with humans. This is special pleading all over the place.

No, it is just simple logic. God communicates to a Messenger who is BOTH divine and human such that the divide between the unknowable God and humans can be bridged. The Messengers can understand God and humans and they can relay messages from God to humans in a form that humans can understand. Ordinary humans do not have the capacity to understand God.

What you are trying to do is find "a reason why God doesn't do what should be obvious," and in order to do that, you deny God the very things you yourself ascribed to Him earlier in this thread -- omnipotence (the ability to "do anything").

What do you think God should do that is obvious?

Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything, it means all-powerful. God cannot do what is not within His nature to do. God has no hands so God cannot write. God could communicate to humans in another fashion but it would not garner belief in God because no ordinary human could ever understand God.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have no qualms with there being a God who can't write, but then I would not consider this as being omnipotent.

God could make writings appear on paper but so what? Why would that be better than God writing through the Messengers? How would anyone know that God wrote those writings?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

No, God could not write unless He became a human because only humans can write.

Orthodox Christian theology has always affirmed that the God of the bible is the one true God, and Triune in nature. Therefore, God became a human in Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity. And the bible also teaches that all things are possible with God. If God created the universe, and everything therein, then he is capable of writing. The bible states that Jesus read from the scriptures in the synagogue in Nazareth. If Jesus, as God, can read, then it stands to reason that he can also write.

 

[Trailblazer]

No, I don't trust God nor do I love God, and when I say God, I mean the Christian God depicted in the bible. I honestly don't know of any other gods, therefore, I've never sought to know or worship another god. If the God of the bible exists, which I have my doubts now, then I don't believe that this God is worthy of love, admiration, and worship. I've already shared my reasons for my contempt towards the Christian God in other threads, so I don't think I should repeat myself in this thread, unless I'm asked to elaborate by someone who hasn't read my other posts. I also don't want to derail the thread, which I've been guilty of doing in other threads.

I already have a pretty good idea what you believe about the God of the Bible since you told me before although I have not seen what you have said on other threads. If all I had was the Bible, and I believed that God as depicted in the Bible, esp. the Old Testament, I would not even believe in God, let alone love Him. But my issues with loving God have nothing to do with the Bible, they are related to so much suffering that I see in this world.

I am not really at the point where I worship God, but I do trust God. However, the Baha'i Faith says work is worship, and if that is true I am worshiping God all the time.

 

[Suave]

God could make writings appear on paper but so what? Why would that be better than God writing through the Messengers? How would anyone know that God wrote those writings?

This begs the question, "How would anyone know it is God who is writing through Messengers?

(edit) **Now God recording and storing a message for us in our genetic code would be pretty compelling evidence this message came from a Supreme Being with a higher intelligence than ancient nomadic tribal scribes.**

 

[Trailblazer]

Orthodox Christian theology has always affirmed that the God of the bible is the one true God, and Triune in nature. Therefore, God became a human in Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity. And the bible also teaches that all things are possible with God. If God created the universe, and everything therein, then he is capable of writing. The bible states that Jesus read from the scriptures in the synagogue in Nazareth. If Jesus, as God, can read, then he can also write.

I do not believe that the Bible reveals a Triune God, that is just Christian doctrine. There is no basis for a Triune God in the Bible, only in the imaginations of some Christians.

Sure, if Jesus was God, God could read and write but Jesus was not God. The belief that Jesus is God is blown completely out of the water with Bible verses. Been there done that, on many threads.

 

[Trailblazer]

This begs the question, "How would anyone know it is God who is writing through Messengers?

That is a very valid question. It is possible to know but not everyone knows.

 

[Nakosis]

We seem to have adopted a stray cat we have named Loki, he is something of a trickster. Not Loki but this type of antic
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I like that the little girl has already learned how to point out the culprit.

 

[Trailblazer]

(edit) **Now God recording and storing a message for us in our genetic code would be pretty compelling evidence this message came from a Supreme Being with a higher intelligence than ancient nomadic tribal scribes.**

What would the message be? Would everyone get a different message?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I do not believe that the Bible reveals a Triune God, that is just Christian doctrine. There is no basis for a Triune God in the Bible, only in the imaginations of some Christians.

Sure, if Jesus was God, God could read and write but Jesus was not God. The belief that Jesus is God is blown completely out of the water with Bible verses. Been there done that, on many threads.

That's a reasonable answer, and I respect your opinion, and your beliefs. Peace.

 

[sun rise]

As far as I am concerned, everyone is free to consider God as being anything at all, or not consider God at all...
I just share my thoughts and feelings and beliefs.

Just focusing on the OP, do I trust God?

So my answer is a set of questions and answers:
Do I trust that divinity is most easily conceptualized as love? My answer is 'yes'.
Do I trust that the nature of love is to wish the best possible for everyone? Yes.
Do I trust that the action of love is to focus not on our personal current wants and desires but on our real needs? Yes.

 

[Suave]

What would the message be? Would everyone get a different message?

The genetic code is universal, so the message would likewise be universal. The same consistent message could literally be passed down fully intact from generation to generation. The Wow! signal of the terrestrial genetic code conveys to us the numeric message of 37 as well as this being the key factor in deciphering the mathematical depiction of an Egyptian triangle.

Please allow me to posit the symbolic meaning of an Egyptian triangle as being representative of God's Holy Spirit incarnated, the Son of Man, or maybe God just likes marking everybody's DNA with mathematical depictions of Egyptian triangles.

First Semantic Message Discovered in the Genetic Code and in DNA

 

[Trailblazer]

Just focusing on the OP, do I trust God?

So my answer is a set of questions and answers:
Do I trust that divinity is most easily conceptualized as love? My answer is 'yes'.
Do I trust that the nature of love is to wish the best possible for everyone? Yes.
Do I trust that the action of love is to focus not on our personal current wants and desires but on our real needs? Yes.

What do you mean by love?
Can you please explain why you believe that divinity is love?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"The genetic material DNA has garnered considerable interest as a medium for digital information storage because its density and durability are superior to those of existing silicon-based storage media. For example, DNA is at least 1000-fold more dense than the most compact solid-state hard drive and at least 300-fold more durable than the most stable magnetic tapes. In addition, DNA’s four-letter nucleotide code offers a suitable coding environment that can be leveraged like the binary digital code used by computers and other electronic devices to represent any letter, digit, or other character."

Despite these advantages, DNA has not yet become a widespread information storage medium because the cost of chemically.

DNA Data Storage

The Wow! signal of the terrestrial genetic code conveys to me the numeric message of 37 as well as this being the key factor in deciphering the mathematical depiction of an Egyptian triangle.

Uh-huh! All that, and what we're left with is "37" will help us decipher a picture of a triangle --- yet you can't even say what that decipherment might look like?

I am slightly unimpressed.

 

[sun rise]

What do you mean by love?
Can you please explain why you believe that divinity is love?

Without writing a long discourse, love operates at the lowest physical level as the attraction of gravity and magnetism. At the animal level, love manifests as instinct such as the urge to mate. In the human, love has multiple levels. It can be the desire to possess, the human equivalent of magnetism. It can be instinct modified by human intelligence. It can be self-giving love where the needs of the other is the consideration not the needs of the giver. Love can also manifest as love of truth, love of beauty and love of divinity.

Finally love manifests by the sufferings of Jesus, Muhammad and others who are attacked at every turn by those who cannot accept what they offer and who accept and even embrace that suffering because they are motivated only by love:

For me specifically as a follower of Meher Baba, it was his two car accidents: one in the US and one in India. What was his reaction to being badly injured and spending the rest of his life in pain?

"The whole thing happened in the flash of an eye. When I came to, I found I was the only one in the back of the car. I stepped out and went to the front to see how Baba was and saw him reclining in the front seat, with blood on his clothes and face. [ Even though Baba was bleeding ], never in my life have I seen such utter radiance and luster as was on Baba's face then! He was like a king, a victorious king who had won a great battle. Lord Krishna must have looked like that in his chariot on the victorious battlefield. The radiance was blinding! I could see nothing else, not the car, nor the surroundings, only Baba's face in glorious triumph! 1956 : Satara accident, India

 

[Sheldon]

Omnipotence has nothing to do with the ability to write. God can only DO what is within His nature to do. God is not a human so God cannot write.

Omnipotent.....lite....

 

[Sheldon]

Edited to add: On second thought, God could make His thoughts appear on paper, but humans can also make God's thoughts appear on paper, so there is no need for God to do that.

Well a sceptic might note, that given the number and variety of humans who claim to know one or another deity's thoughts, on paper or otherwise, the deity seems entirely redundant. If only limitless power and knowledge, could match the ingenuity of evolved apes in producing it's own thoughts.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No, it is just simple logic. God communicates to a Messenger who is BOTH divine and human...

I'll ignore the rest of your post for now, and just ask you to explain what it means to be "both divine and human." Your treatise on how a "being" (of some sort) can be both would be fascinating for all readers, I have no doubt.

 

[Sheldon]

Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything,

Omnipotent means literally that.

No, God could not write unless He became a human because only humans can write.

A deity with limitless power cannot master a skill, that evolved mammals with opposable thumbs possess? The more detail you ascribe this deity you imagine, the less and less impressive it becomes. What else can't this deity with limitless power do?