The term "religion of peace"

[stevecanuck]

Kindly elaborate the phrase " by definition ", please.

Regards

I mean that the Qur'an was revealed over a 22 year period in a certain order. That was the order Allah gave it in to Mohamed and the first Muslims, so it makes sense to me that that should be the order in which it is compiled.

 

[Audie]

Alright. So you dont know about that also. It seems like it.

YOu used another word. Infidel. I mean you used it as a method of making an insult.

Can you tell me what "Infidel" as an English term is meant in the Islamic theology?

You still have not given up claiming i wrote
something i didnt.

 

[firedragon]

You still have not given up claiming i wrote
something i didnt.

So since you "wrote it", Can you tell me what "Infidel" as an English term is meant in the Islamic theology?

 

[Audie]

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So since you "wrote it", Can you tell me what "Infidel" as an English term is meant in the Islamic theology?

Changing to a post i did write doesnt help.
Deal with your original mistaken complaint b4 new topic.

 

[firedragon]

Changing to a post i did write doesnt help.
Deal with your original mistaken complaint b4 new topic.

I am just pointing out that you have no clue of many of these slurs you make. You just mention things, but you have no clue about them.

Lets see what else comes up.

 

[paarsurrey]

stevecanuck said: ↑

It is the context of the sentence/verse which decides as to in what meaning the root word (slm - س ل م) has been used:
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أ ب ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س ش ص ض ط ظ ع غ ف ق ك ل م ن ه و ي
"The triliteral root sīn lām mīm (س ل م) occurs 140 times in the Quran, in 16 derived forms:

• six times as the form II verb sallama (سَلَّمَ)
• 22 times as the form IV verb aslama (أَسْلَمَ)
• 42 times as the nominal salām (سَلَٰم)
• five times as the noun salam (سَلَم)
• twice as the noun salm (سَّلْم)
• twice as the noun sullam (سُلَّم)
• once as the proper noun sil'm (سِّلْم)
• twice as the noun salīm (سَلِيم)
• once as the active participle sālimūn (سَٰلِمُون)
• three times as the form II verbal noun taslīm (تَسْلِيم)
• three times as the form II passive participle musallamat (مُّسَلَّمَة)
• eight times as the form IV verbal noun is'lām (إِسْلَٰم)
• 39 times as the form IV active participle mus'lim (مُسْلِم)
• twice as the form IV active participle mus'limāt (مُسْلِمَٰت)
• once as the form IV active participle mus'limat (مُّسْلِمَة)
• once as the form X active participle mus'taslimūn (مُسْتَسْلِمُون)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction."
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Quran Dictionary
Right?

Usually or often or most of the times or always all the meanings/usages of a root word (in Arabic) are interconnected.
Nominal
(1) Noun

(4:94:15) l-salāma (a greeting of) peace وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا
(5:16:8) l-salāmi (of) the peace يَهْدِي بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضْوَانَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلَامِ
(6:54:7) salāmun Peace وَإِذَا جَاءَكَ الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِآيَاتِنَا فَقُلْ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ
(6:127:3) l-salāmi (of) [the] peace لَهُمْ دَارُ السَّلَامِ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَهُوَ وَلِيُّهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ
(7:46:13) salāmun Peace وَنَادَوْا أَصْحَابَ الْجَنَّةِ أَنْ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ
(10:10:7) salāmun Peace دَعْوَاهُمْ فِيهَا سُبْحَانَكَ اللَّهُمَّ وَتَحِيَّتُهُمْ فِيهَا سَلَامٌ
(10:25:5) l-salāmi (of) the Peace وَاللَّهُ يَدْعُو إِلَىٰ دَارِ السَّلَامِ
(11:48:4) bisalāmin with peace قِيلَ يَا نُوحُ اهْبِطْ بِسَلَامٍ مِنَّا وَبَرَكَاتٍ عَلَيْكَ
(11:69:7) salāman Peace وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْ رُسُلُنَا إِبْرَاهِيمَ بِالْبُشْرَىٰ قَالُوا سَلَامًا
(11:69:9) salāmun Peace
and many more.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Quran Dictionary
Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I mean that the Qur'an was revealed over a 22 year period in a certain order. That was the order Allah gave it in to Mohamed and the first Muslims, so it makes sense to me that that should be the order in which it is compiled.

Please mention/elaborate that "certain order", why think it was only a single order instead of some or more of them? Right?

Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

Please mention/elaborate that "certain order", why think it was only a single order instead of some or more of them? Right?

Regards

The claim that any ancient religion is a religion of peace is simply a claim from those that believe it is and not meaningful.

Can ancient tribal religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam in all their diverse conflicting variations claim to be a religion of peace? No.

Can the scriptures, history and actions of those that believe in ancient tribal religions have the consistent guidance reflect a 'religion of peace? No.

By their works you will know them.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

What part of the mind?

The Pineal Gland.

Belief in miracles is irrational.
" Reason" has nothing to do with it.

It will be a miracle if we can avoid destroying ourselves as a species, because we seem to be incapable of treating our fellow humans humanely, if we could just see one another as anything besides competition there might be a glimmer of hope.

Believing in such possibilities is irrational though, right? Well, in that case why shouldn't we all binge our primitive serpent minds in pure egotistical fulfillment of our basic lusts and desires? Yours is mine and mine is mine! It's unreasonable to share anything when we only get one life and it's glaringly obvious that we might destroy ourselves at any moment. It is unreasonable to believe that the cause of our self-annihilation could be correlated to a pursuit of rationalistic nihilism, right?

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

The claim that any ancient religion is a religion of peace is simply a claim from those that believe it is and not meaningful.

I would argue that the religions themselves are capable of being considered peaceful. If we could separate the forest (religion) from the trees (individuals), perhaps we could differentiate the wheat (honest & good intended) from the chaff (manipulative & malevolent).

 

[Audie]

The Pineal Gland.

It will be a miracle if we can avoid destroying ourselves as a species, because we seem to be incapable of treating our fellow humans humanely, if we could just see one another as anything besides competition there might be a glimmer of hope.

Believing in such possibilities is irrational though, right? Well, in that case why shouldn't we all binge our primitive serpent minds in pure egotistical fulfillment of our basic lusts and desires? Yours is mine and mine is mine! It's unreasonable to share anything when we only get one life and it's glaringly obvious that we might destroy ourselves at any moment. It is unreasonable to believe that the cause of our self-annihilation could be correlated to a pursuit of rationalistic nihilism, right?

You are some 400 years out of date on the
function of the pineal, and the heart?
The heart is situated at some distance from the brain and has no cognitive function.

Are we just being poetic, or, literal?
Literal would be utterly irrational, so-

Belief in what is possible is not in the least
irrational. So yoir argument is nonsense.

Belief miracles is not achieved through reason.

Dont bring in other topics.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

You are some 400 years out of date on the
function of the pineal

I'm pretty sure it was recent studies that found the hallucinogen DMT within rodent pineal glands. It is theorized that the human pineal gland is also capable of DMT production. A man with a tumor on his pineal gland created paintings of the visions he experienced, people with experience of the drug DMT proclaimed his paintings were of the same nature as what you see while under the influence of the hallucinogen. It is from this area of the brain such beliefs are derived.

Belief (in) miracles is not achieved through reason.

Do you believe in miracles? If no, how are you so certain such conclusions were absent of method or reason? Perhaps not reasoning and methodology that could be considered sensible or sane, but reason none the less.

As far as 'belief' and 'miracles' are concerned, the placebo and nocebo effects have provided fascinating observations regarding the mind manifesting physiological phenomena as a result of psychological perceptions and preconceptions the patient/s possess.

analogy revisited: The mind is still a mystery, and the premier militaries of our species unanimously refuse to sign a petition that would forbid the production of AI weapons of war... It will be a miracle if our governments don't set us back to the bronze age, or to extinction with WWIII (which may be closer than I had ever anticipated). I would rather believe in the 'miracle' of that unlikelihood and live like there is a tomorrow [productively/proactively] instead of relenting to the probability of a nuclear/AI winter and live like I was going to die of thyroid cancer or 'termination' within the decade [recklessly/nihilistically]. (use of miracle in my analogy is informal)

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Leaving aside the facetious replies, what is the real reason Islam is sometimes called a "religion of peace"?

I can't answer as to the reason for Islam, but the ^ above^ caused me to recall in high school we were taught (cold-war era) that the word ' peace' to one person or group could be different in another person or group.
For example: Russia spoke of having or wanting ' peaceful co-existence '.
Yes, they wanted peace but their definition of peace (peaceful co-existence) was the whole world run by Russia.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Yes, they wanted peace but their definition of peace (peaceful co-existence) was the whole world run by Russia.

Regarding Islam meaning 'submission' which can in turn be taken as peace:

In the hypothetical ultimatum of either worldwide destruction from opposition or dystopian fascism from submission, which one is is more resemblant to 'peace'?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Regarding Islam meaning 'submission' which can in turn be taken as peace:
In the hypothetical ultimatum of either worldwide destruction from opposition or dystopian fascism from submission, which one is is more resemblant to 'peace'?

Or, world-wide destruction of 'only' wicked/violent people______
This is what the Bible teaches that the wicked will be destroyed: destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35.
If you had a beautiful house that became infested with rats would you give your beautiful house to the rats, or rather have the rats exterminated so that you and your family could enjoy your beautiful house _______
To me, 'repent' (give up bad works) is more resemblant to 'peace' than to 'perish' (<- be destroyed) - 2 Peter 3:9
To 'submit ' to Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35 is to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, to now love neighbor MORE than self, more than the old Golden Rule - Leviticus 19:18.
That is the Bible's definition of having peace.

 

[stevecanuck]

Please mention/elaborate that "certain order", why think it was only a single order instead of some or more of them? Right?

Regards

Mohamed received revelations one after the other, thereby creating an order. I'm suggesting that because that order was good enough for Mohamed and the first Muslims, then it should be good enough for all time. For example, surah 2 was actually received after 12 years and presenting is as the 2nd surah gives a new reader of the qur'an an incorrect impression regarding the evolution of Islam.

 

[Audie]

I'm pretty sure it was recent studies that found the hallucinogen DMT within rodent pineal glands. It is theorized that the human pineal gland is also capable of DMT production. A man with a tumor on his pineal gland created paintings of the visions he experienced, people with experience of the drug DMT proclaimed his paintings were of the same nature as what you see while under the influence of the hallucinogen. It is from this area of the brain such beliefs are derived.

Do you believe in miracles? If no, how are you so certain such conclusions were absent of method or reason? Perhaps not reasoning and methodology that could be considered sensible or sane, but reason none the less.

As far as 'belief' and 'miracles' are concerned, the placebo and nocebo effects have provided fascinating observations regarding the mind manifesting physiological phenomena as a result of psychological perceptions and preconceptions the patient/s possess.

analogy revisited: The mind is still a mystery, and the premier militaries of our species unanimously refuse to sign a petition that would forbid the production of AI weapons of war... It will be a miracle if our governments don't set us back to the bronze age, or to extinction with WWIII (which may be closer than I had ever anticipated). I would rather believe in the 'miracle' of that unlikelihood and live like there is a tomorrow [productively/proactively] instead of relenting to the probability of a nuclear/AI winter and live like I was going to die of thyroid cancer or 'termination' within the decade [recklessly/nihilistically]. (use of miracle in my analogy is informal)

DMT is a natural neurotransmitter.
A huge overdose causes hallucinations.

The topic is whether it is REASON- able to
believe in miracles.

All claims that can be investigated have been-
frauds.

With no known examples and the necessity of
violating who knows how many laws of physics,
it is not the act of a reasonable person to
believe in them.

 

[blü 2]

Leaving aside the facetious replies, what is the real reason Islam is sometimes called a "religion of peace"?

Very few examples of 'religions of peace' occur to me. Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Sunni and Shia, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Shintoists, have all proved excellent at waging war and killing both each other and others. Indeed, Hera and Athena are goddesses of war.

Will the real Quakers please stand up?

 

[RestlessSoul]

No following you but, in order to believe both must be reconciled, otherwise the mind is telling the heart what is believed is an absurdity.

The mind often struggles to justify what the heart instinctively grasps. Whilst the heart often struggles to accept what the mind insists must be so. Good job we also have a soul then, to help us establish harmony, wisdom, and balance.

 

[MyM]

Leaving aside the facetious replies, what is the real reason Islam is sometimes called a "religion of peace"?

Islam is a peaceful religion because it forbids evil and mischief on earth.

The word Islam means:

Islam means submission, humbling oneself, and obeying commands and heeding prohibitions without objection, sincerely worshipping Allah alone, believing what He tells us and having faith in Him.