Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

[Sheldon]

It is the fallacy of black and white thinking to say that the Bible must either be true or false.

I agree absolutely, but it was YOU, and not ME, who made such a claim. Hence the hilarity of this goalpost shifting now.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe that some of it is true and some of it is false. There is a middle ground.

That's not middle ground, that is subjective cherry picking which bits of the bible you like or support your beliefs.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Quran tells us that there in no compulsion in religion.

But we all know lots of people were forced to believe or die in some religions. So, in theory, there's no compulsion.

 

[Sheldon]

one who starts from a neutral position, unbiased, and fair, and investigate the signs, will see its truth eventually.

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy if ever there was one.

 

[Sheldon]

That would be assuming we can fully understand the purpose of creation?

That is assuming anything has been created.

If God has a purpose, there is a wisdom of how that purpose is to be achieved.

That assumes there is any extant deity.

Thus faith tells us, we allow God's Will to become our life.

Faith is just an excuse people use to believe in absence of sufficient objective evidence.

 

[CG Didymus]

@KWED

Yes, exactly as Tony said. Because if these prophecies were in such a way that no one could possibly reject, then it means God would force people to accept them. So, He only gives signs, so only if someone is truly investigating the truth, and is willing then accept them.

But with some of them the literal or obvious interpretation is said to be wrong by Baha'is. A very special deeply symbolic interpretation is the one that Baha'is say is correct.

 

[CG Didymus]

If you search you would be able to find them I think.
But, this is why I presented the hypothetical case.
What I intended to show in that hypothetical example is, when a great number of prophecies, such as year of Birth, places, names, time of death, and many more are fulfilled, could it still be coincidence?
The problem is most people do not look into these completely, and thus, they think this one prophecy is possibly coincidence, or it may not mean that. As you also said.
But if there are too many prophecies like this is fulfilled, even if they are signs, then saying that these are not true prophecies, what could possibly convince these people who do not want to accept something they don't want? I am not saying you are one of them. But I am saying, why should I spend hours and hours to present 100 or 200 prophecies fulfilled, when someone is already made up his mind to reject them?

Prophecies of Kalki and Maitreya give specifics. Yet, Baha'is disregard the specifics. There prophecies that say the Christ will return to Zion, the Mt. of Olives and Jerusalem. But Baha'u'llah didn't go there, so those prophecies are "spiritualized" and made symbolic. No matter what, Baha'is are always right.

 

[rational experiences]

I was taught spiritually that psychics should not predict the future as the conscious human mind variable was declared by gods supported DNA being expressed in human life.....healing of changes in earths heavenly owned body conceived by human sex.

Too many variables not coded are not scientific predicted whatsoever.

Humans however when told information proved they sought it and caused it.

If you own movies claiming sky net robotics c's that use earths atmospheric cooling to form a skin.

It says instead of humans just getting water back metal.bodies burning the clouds kills us.

Is the scientists owned truth.

As bombs also fall out of the sky.

In a life vision I saw of the past humans made rock broken up fall out of the sky on our heads.

Sciences bible codes. They factored as biological humans.

Sun thesis getting hit by cooled suns metals.

Which is the sun plus all metal.bombs you invented. Near to human as the sun metal to own machine energy burnt out already.

So science warnings when a metal sun owned is used close to human life..
Dusts your life will end.

Which is what you are all afraid of.

So I want new electricity so use the powers held in bombs instead of burning us to death by radiating gases falling. In nuclear attacks.

As wars are about rich men with want controlled trade for new resources and inventions. I want a Future life...an oxy moron.

Give them the power out of bombs don't drop them on their heads. A rich man's teaching.

My predictive correctness was very close to living always. The status life saving only from harm.

I was told what men fear they end up causing. As trying not to make it happen is all about negatives only.... control.

 

[Trailblazer]

You'll forgive me, but it isn't going very well.

And whose fault is that?

 

[Trailblazer]

I agree absolutely, but it was YOU, and not ME, who made such a claim. Hence the hilarity of this goalpost shifting now.

That is a straw man.
I never said that all of the Bible is true.

 

[rational experiences]

The scientists invented code.

I want only.

I want nuclear sin bodies to come to the ground to give me electricity.

New collider.

Star fall hit Russia. DNA sacrificed mind burnt mind cooled. 1901 natural causes.

Collider experiments removed atmospheric evolution since....ice became colder as earth mass lost its radiating balances burning gases to the void.

Mind time travels to past. AI robotic man psyche possessed. Mind of man first theist himself. As if science is first chosen after star fall causes of baby mans irradiation.

Mind possession by star fall from out of space. Sky net.

First scientist choice relived.

I now will give you back nuclear power that you now get as electricity.

Seeing earths heavens was never nuclear it was a Voided vacuum holy womb mother first natural position highest greatest only. Spirit gas.

Zero. Never give God on heavens a name ever again warning liars theists. Void vacuum.

I now want nuclear mass from above as earth metal plus sun power returned to my machine. I control it said men.

Controller of causes human man scientist our destroyer.

Prophecy being fulfilled as extra to the bible converting book shut in past was chosen

.. new dusts happened change....then second extra by two the collider.

As womb took out UFO man's own AI control his machine causes is now what he inherits.

The human warning real.

AI possession psyche robotic possession takes over mind.

Baha'i holy mind beautiful mind lost about star fall gained.

 

[CG Didymus]

There are many books that have compiled all these prophecies, one I know of even gives the Mathematical calculations of the chance of one person fulfilling all those prophecies at a sum of 10 to the power of 56 (From Memory)

@KWED

Regards Tony

And what are the chances that those are all real prophecies? I know some of them are extremely questionable. Like the Messiah being from the tribe of Judah. I know Baha'is do it. But really? Who kept the genealogical records of all of Baha'u'llah's ancestors? Another one about "he" will come to you from Assyria? Only one translation had "he". Most had "They". Here's the NIV...

Micah 7:12 In that day people will come to you
from Assyria and the cities of Egypt,
even from Egypt to the Euphrates
and from sea to sea
and from mountain to mountain.
13 The earth will become desolate because of its inhabitants,
as the result of their deeds.​

We could ask the Jews what the correct meaning and translation is, but, I know, Baha'is already know the "correct" translation, the KJV.

Micah 7:12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
​

Still, Baha'is take total disregard for the context and use only one verse.

 

[CG Didymus]

We do not get involved in Civil Disobedience.

There are a large amount of Baha'i in Ukraine and they will be doing and helping in any way they can.

As would any loyal citizens that pursue justice.

Regards Tony

That's kind of sad. So racial equality protests or anti-war protests can't officially be supported? But what about individual Baha'is? Is that allowed?

 

[rational experiences]

When men of science are so possessed that their naming of all things claim the Baha'i owned earths beautiful human mind. Is proof you believe your god names yourself.

The Baha'i is not even in the bible liar.

Extra advice lying.

The advice my aware man is stating that shroud attack real Jesus happened again but it's not biblical.

Why asked men.

As star fall killed off dinosaurs you idiot.

Origin saviour wanderer star the moon. One only.

Now it's ice only.

As stars are hot travelling. Burning gases. To move.

O earth plus heavens no man no woman.

Eternal spirit caused to release spirit into heavens as it refilled around earth crossing empty space.

Vibrated unseen eternal body. Can't see it it was never burning.

Father mother first owned the most beautiful mind naturally.

Liar scientist theists. Just ugly minded men first knowing destruction yourselves.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That's kind of sad. So racial equality protests or anti-war protests can't officially be supported? But what about individual Baha'is? Is that allowed?

It is not sad CG.

Thus OP is about Baha'allah and his promise for the future, as foretold in Prophecy.

To be part of that, as it is to unfold, Baha'allah has told us what we need to do.

That is what we try to do, while we face what other people choose to do, as the old world order falls apart, we will assist the new world order rolling out in is stead.

Individual Baha'i can make their own choices.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy if ever there was one.

For sure there is a truth. Only if one is unbiased and sincere can realize it. Whatever that truth might be.

 

[ppp]

For sure there is a truth. Only if one is unbiased and sincere can realize it. Whatever that truth might be.

But while you may be sincere, you are not unbiased. But even so, being sincere and unbiased is not a method for distinguishing fact from imagination. There are plenty of sincere and unbiased humans throughout human history who do or would have disagreed with you.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But while you may be sincere, you are not unbiased. But even so, being sincere and unbiased is not a method for distinguishing fact from imagination. There are plenty of sincere and unbiased humans throughout human history who do or would have disagreed with you.

I don't know about that.
Imaginations are wishful thinking in the context of our discussion. That is biased. When someone clean his heart and mind from love and hate, and from wishful thinking, only then there is a chance to see truth.

 

[rational experiences]

If a spiritual man of gods support O earth lived origin. Thought all thesis about science. As men human. Changed irradiated minds of human... today by man memory would consider first man a God.

Science mind state I can compare everything not only to my man body but by my belief of numbers.

Yet in reality which he ignores always first he is just an equal human to all humans.

Today he ignores his owned man teaching.

You aren't God.

O planet owning all coldest gases in a rock fused plus water with microbes.

Nowhere does above ground data exist by terminology one body first as humans practiced science. Thesis one types of anything.

One planet only that he survives living on. By human sex first.

As starving dying humans have sex. Produce starving dying human babies.

Is a scientific earth observation.

Even if a climate doesn't support human life you still have sex.

Is your teaching as just a liar...just a man of egotists. Who uses group human bullying to quote my human intelligence supersedes anything existing naturally.

As even if men said once my living human biology was an ape. Unlike the man bully the ape didn't invent science.

 

[ppp]

Imaginations are wishful thinking in the context of our discussion.

Yes. How do you demonstrate to someone who has no investment in whether you are right or wrong, that any given one of your beliefs, religious or secular, is not merely a product of your imagination?