There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[rational experiences]

The teaching.

O God had owned eternal hell.

O God evolved became cooled.

Eternal hell consumes it's own metallic source exact in its place the sun.

One day men said a sun burnt out of its resource would be a dead rock.

No man is God.

The eternal. Is the eternal. Not God.

Where we came from.

God eternal is not hell.
God in creation is cold not hell.

The eternal is the eternal.

It doesn't speak.
It's only spirit is unconditional love.
It existed in its type living before us without being biology that died.

You can't pray manipulate or order it.

Reason it does not hear. Doesn't use our languages.

So humans ask how could it have hurt human's. As the creator being.

It didn't.

It hurt itself when it became nature...animals...humans.

The correct answer why.

We don't exist because God created us. Human biology existing first as parents human had human sex.

They both died.

In heavens psychic memory of their lived experience is recorded.

Why no man of science can own it as a thesis first about our two human parents.

They are deceased.

Remembering it however just by conscious human thought they tried to make a machine thesis about two deceased humans as image voice recordings.

Know your brothers intentions so you can protect your life.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So the religion isn't really helping you in any way?

You really are quite delusional. Did you come up with this by yourself or did you get help from someone without a body that wants to use yours?
Already posted how God delivered me from Drugs,
Alcohol, sexual sins, every single addiction.
Then my sins were forgiven by Jesus Christ and I received His Spirit and Eternal Life. I have power over the things that had me in bondage, even the fear of death. I have a clear conscience, I have great promises from God and a good inheritance. So yeah I have hope and strength for this life and the next.
What do you have?

 

[Muffled]

No, that is the way that evidence works. One must have a reliable source. It is not our opinion, it is a fact that if you want to claim it as "evidence" that means that you need to be able to show that it is accurate. And if you fail at that task then you fail at showing that the Bible is evidence.

I believe God is a reliable source and He supports the Bible.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, just as we discount the similar claims of many other religions. Christians have a plurality, but they are not a majority. That means that more people believe something else than believe Christianity. An argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy and a bad idea when one is outnumbered by the opposition.

I don't believe it is an ad populum argument. It is an argument for repeatability. If one person makes a claim, he could be daffy but millions of claims accrues credibility.

 

[Muffled]

There are definitely even more that say he doesn't answer. In other words by that sort of logic he does not exist. It is a very bad argument for your beliefs.

I believe the null hypothesis is not usually provable. If I say I have never seen a quark does that prove they do not exist and I am sure there are millions who have never seen a quark.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe God is a reliable source and He supports the Bible.

Some people believe the earth is flat, so what's your point?

 

[Sheldon]

If one person makes a claim, he could be daffy but millions of claims accrues credibility.

That is the very definition of an argumentum ad populum fallacy.

"an argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good because the majority thinks so."

It doesn't become less irrational, just because you fail to understand it, or because you deny it. It is and remains a logical fallacy.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe the null hypothesis is not usually provable.

I believe the world is not flat, now what do I win for believing an objective fact?

I am sure there are millions who have never seen a quark.

So what, if quarks don't exists it doesn't evidence your superstitious beliefs at all. What have the existence of mermaids to do with unicorns?

 

[rational experiences]

We weren't created.

The presence of God rock was evolved From eternal hell.

God rock an end.
Earths heaven various types masses ends as mass.

We are not God.

Theists humans pretended a fake thesis just like they're doing now.

We came from the eternal.

The eternal owns a hole in its body. Space the separation is burnt out eternal by portion as the gods ooooo holding instead of natural flow in spirit eternal as language burst.

Gods burnt as angels bodies type oooooo then separation was enacted. Ooooo some gods just burst.

In star groups you can see a spirit image memory as they were the language spirit inside of held O God.

Mother father entered life by walking floating a memory I saw in a dream. Grounded when their body converted in the water microbe oxygen state.

Everywhere our parents came out of the eternal body. O onto earth in one exact same moment. Same parents for everyone. First. The exact same parents. Animals however varied.

As we owned the body type the creator. Spirit presence.

As the heavens mass of god had burnt gas spirit that refilled emptied out space. When the sun attacked earth it forced us out of the eternal body. It couldn't hold us.

So we got separated.

It's why we die.

You cannot be created then die by the exact same conditions. Gods heavens.

We die as we don't belong.

When we die we still own our eternal body that we were separated from. We Inherit it.

When we die first we remove the other half of bio water life lost into heavens records. A lovely experience. Leaving.

Then we inherit our correct living spirit. The eternal.

The eternal has always been enabled to use its inherited recorded lower language spirits disincarnate to teach us.

As they came out direct as adults body. When a human baby dies it emerges in spirit body to a changed adult. I know I've seen it. A medium Doris stokes lived it. My girlfriend the same also. Babies that died.

As the eternal.
In the eternal.
Is the eternal. One place only. Exact.

It's unconditional love. You cannot change it. It doesn't speak nor hear our language. You can't tell it what to do.

Said our holy father. Whose discarnate water body found me. Talked to me. Saved my life when I was burning. Believing I would die.

It's real I own the experience.



We are living the eternals spirit karma.
As humans.
It changed its own body.

It's living as we humans... its causes. Change.

O gods began as a holy being.

It entered change by burning. Sun remained in hell. The God O bodies cooled.

Hence the sun is proof don't change a planets form in space. As space law cooled it.

Is exactly what we were taught.

In. Thesis the story is misquoted as a humans thoughts do not precede a living human.

The theist by his science practices is exactly proven wrong. He attacks destroys biology only. By metals that belonged to hell the sun.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

If you say you were a Christian you had to believe that God created everything according to Genesis

Nope. Not a requirement. And I'll bet most Christians don't believe that story. They call it an allegory, but it's not that. It's a creation myth, one of dozens or hundreds of ancient, incorrect guesses about the history of the world and life.

I got the definition from Jesus Christ, He gave me the definition, it’s written in the Bible.

Your definition is useless to an unbeliever. It's only useful to somebody like you who accepts the theology. For me, there is no such thing as being born again, so obviously, that can't be a criterion for calling somebody a Christian. You don't seem to understand that your beliefs have no sway with others. It doesn't matter at all to them that you disagree with their definition of Christian, but you keep posting as if it should.

Where is any rebuttal of biblical teaching other than you saying you believe something else? Go ahead, open up the Bible and tell me where I’m in error.

Why would the Bible need rebutting beyond Hitchens' Razor, the same answer to all unevidenced claims? Also, it's pointless discussing the meaning of scripture with a zealous believer.

I have not heard on this forum any evidence from skeptics or atheists who say they were a Christian that in fact, they meet the criteria of the Bible that they were actually born again by their testimonies.

Why should that matter? Those are your criteria, not theirs.

I said the people here on RF that said they were Christians and now are not haven’t demonstrated they were ever Christians.

Not your call. You have no authority in the matter. You can just as easily be called non-Christian by anybody whose criteria doesn't include you. Perhaps they find your theology to be false doctrine and you not a Christian and are ignorant of scripture. Whatever weight that would have with you is about the weight that your opinions have here - none.

“What does the Bible actually say and teach”? This seems to escape you and you don’t know.

You have that backward. I'm sure that I understand the Bible better than any zealous believer. As soon as somebody tells me that the Bible is reliable or that it contains no errors, I understand that there's nothing that they can tell me about it. It's like the people who ask what is the evidence for evolution or that Trump committed crimes. There's no point answering them.

“What does the Bible say and teach”. You don’t know what Jesus said but I do because He gave me His Spirit

No spirit is required to understand plain English, just basic literacy. You really like this role as gatekeeper and arbiter of the truth, don't you? Unfortunately, you have no authority and a damaged ethos. Perhaps you've noticed that you're opinions aren't authoritative. Worse, you apparently aren't considered a reliable source of knowledge about anything by those with whom you disagree.

is/were a Christian just because they say so. Is a female a male because she says so? Or a man a female because she says so? No

A Christian is a Christian just because he or she says so. That's why I count you among them, because you said you're Christian.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nope. Not a requirement. And I'll bet most Christians don't believe that story. They call it an allegory, but it's not that. It's a creation myth, one of dozens or hundreds of ancient, incorrect guesses about the history of the world and life.



Your definition is useless to an unbeliever. It's only useful to somebody like you who accepts the theology. For me, there is no such thing as being born again, so obviously, that can't be a criterion for calling somebody a Christian. You don't seem to understand that your beliefs have no sway with others. It doesn't matter at all to them that you disagree with their definition of Christian, but you keep posting as if it should.



Why would the Bible need rebutting beyond Hitchens' Razor, the same answer to all unevidenced claims? Also, it's pointless discussing the meaning of scripture with a zealous believer.



Why should that matter? Those are your criteria, not theirs.



Not your call. You have no authority in the matter. You can just as easily be called non-Christian by anybody whose criteria doesn't include you. Perhaps they find your theology to be false doctrine and you not a Christian and are ignorant of scripture. Whatever weight that would have with you is about the weight that your opinions have here - none.



You have that backward. I'm sure that I understand the Bible better than any zealous believer. As soon as somebody tells me that the Bible is reliable or that it contains no errors, I understand that there's nothing that they can tell me about it. It's like the people who ask what is the evidence for evolution or that Trump committed crimes. There's no point answering them.



No spirit is required to understand plain English, just basic literacy. You really like this role as gatekeeper and arbiter of the truth, don't you? Unfortunately, you have no authority and a damaged ethos. Perhaps you've noticed that you're opinions aren't authoritative. Worse, you apparently aren't considered a reliable source of knowledge about anything by those with whom you disagree.



A Christian is a Christian just because he or she says so. That's why I count you among them, because you said you're Christian.

You said you understand the Scriptures better, that you believe a person is a Christian based on what they say, that you can understand the Scriptures without the Holy Spirit to teach you. The Bible disagrees with you:
“I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake. I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father. I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one. Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭2:12-23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Sheldon]

Already posted how God delivered me from Drugs, Alcohol, sexual sins, every single addiction. Then my sins were forgiven by Jesus Christ and I received His Spirit and Eternal Life.

No you posted that you believe this, this doesn't make it true, as has been explained.

I have power over the things that had me in bondage, even the fear of death.

So do I, and I don't need to kid myself in anything supernatural or any deity to do it.

I have a clear conscience,

No one has a clear conscience, but some people can fool themselves about this I suppose.

I have great promises from God and a good inheritance. So yeah I have hope and strength for this life and the next.

Nope, you just believe this.

What do you have?

A healthy scepticism for unevidenced assertions.

 

[Sheldon]

You said you understand the Scriptures better, that you believe a person is a Christian based on what they say, that you can understand the Scriptures without the Holy Spirit to teach you. The Bible disagrees with you:
“I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake. I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father. I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one. Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭2:12-23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The bible is filled with errant nonsense, and open to subjective interpretation, and thus not a reliable source. If it were it could hardly have produced 45k varyingly different sects and denominations. We also have no idea what Jesus may or may not have said, since the biblical accounts are pure hearsay.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No you posted that you believe this, this doesn't make it true, as has been explained.



So do I, and I don't need to kid myself in anything supernatural or any deity to do it.



No one has a clear conscience, but some people can fool themselves about this I suppose.



Nope, you just believe this.


A healthy scepticism for unevidenced assertions.

All your comment proves is you don’t know anything, congratulations your life is just a figment of your imagination, well done.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The bible is filled with errant nonsense, and open to subjective interpretation, and thus not a reliable source. If it were it could hardly have produced 45k varyingly different sects and denominations. We also have no idea what Jesus may or may not have said, since the biblical accounts are pure hearsay.

Doesn’t mean a thing in the context of what the Bible actually teaches. If someone says they are a Christian then it’s tested according to the Bible. If someone says they are a Muslim that would be tested according to their book. Very simple

 

[Subduction Zone]

Doesn’t mean a thing in the context of what the Bible actually teaches. If someone says they are a Christian then it’s tested according to the Bible. If someone says they are a Muslim that would be tested according to their book. Very simple

The problem with that is how does one choose the verses that one uses to test whether one is a "Christian" or not? And how does one interpret the verses of the Bible? One can always interpret verses to their own benefit and ignore those that refute them. Since the Bible is filled with self contradictions this is rather easy to do.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The problem with that is how does one choose the verses that one uses to test whether one is a "Christian" or not? And how does one interpret the verses of the Bible? One can always interpret verses to their own benefit and ignore those that refute them. Since the Bible is filled with self contradictions this is rather easy to do.

You can say that all day long but without naming the verse and demonstrating that it’s all talk. How about you take the verse in 1 John 2: 12-23, pretty clear teaching.
Or this:
“Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.””
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Or this:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can say that all day long but without naming the verse and demonstrating that it’s all talk. How about you take the verse in 1 John 2: 12-23, pretty clear teaching.
Or this:
“Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.””
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The problem is that is subject to interpretation. Your interpretation of that will be different from other sects of Christianity.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The problem is that is subject to interpretation. Your interpretation of that will be different from other sects of Christianity.

Are you saying that you cannot look at those verses for yourself and determine what they mean? That’s too difficult, yet you claimed to know the Bible better than me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you saying that you cannot look at those verses for yourself and determine what they mean? That’s too difficult, yet you claimed to know the Bible better than me.

I can. The problem is that you will reject my interpretation. And you seem to think that you know better than the majority of Christians without any proper education in the matter at all.