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How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

nPeace

Veteran Member
Demonstrate the absurdity of my beliefs.
Claim / Belief - MYTH
60,000
years can be 55,000 or 65,000. Hence the extent of overlap between the two populations during a 10,000 year window of coexistence is being disputed as we need a bit more dating work to reduce the uncertainties.
However we know that modern humans existed 100,000 years ago and Neanderthals also existed by 70,000 years ago.

Current View Among Scientists
The effective dating range of the carbon-14 method is between 100 and 50,000 year

Claim / Belief - MYTH
Radiometric dating have a +- 10% or so error at very early times

Current View Among Scientists
There are limitations to radiometric dating. Samples that are too old may not have enough of the original isotope present for accurate measurement. Samples that are too young may not have enough of the daughter isotope accumulated. Not all materials we would like to date contain useful radioactive isotopes. Nonetheless, we can date many types of rock formations and even establish the age of the earth itself.

Claim / Belief - MYTH
Because decay occurs at a fixed rate..., scientists can measure the amount of decayed material in the sample, determine the ratio between original and decayed material, and then calculate the sample’s age

Current View Among Scientists
The idea of fluctuating beta-decay rates is very controversial because for more than 80 years, radioactive substances have been thought to follow a fixed exponential decay, under all conditions.
In recent years, however, there have been suggestions that decay rates are not constant and are influenced by the Sun.

Evidence For Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance
Evidence Against Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance

While you may think that one is correct, or that either way, it doesn't make much of a difference to the figures.
I too, feel the same way, because at the end of the day, assumptions are made, like assuming that today's experiment will be the same as yesterday's because conditions always are the same.

I don't ridicule you for doing your work, as a scientist, and believing what you think makes sense to you. Even if you were not a scientist, I don't ridicule you for believing what you do.
However, I am convinced that those beliefs you hold dear, are as you described my beliefs... absurd.

“Despite its high popularity, [radiocarbon dating] involves a number of doubtful assumptions, some of which are sufficiently serious to make its results for all ages exceeding about 2000 or 3000 years, in serious need of revision.” - Henry M. Morris​
Oh wait, he's a creationist, from that group of dishonest crank scientists. :facepalm:

You were unable to defend yourself against my claims of absurdity. So I am justified in saying that your claims were absurd.
I sense an air of superiority. I'm not five years old. :D

Now demonstrate that my beliefs are absurd.
You believe an undirected process wills events, like an intelligent agent. :laughing:
For example... You believe, this...
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Came about through an undirected process.
At some point, a different kind of egg began to evolve, which had three extra membranes inside... Each membrane has a slightly different function but the addition of all these extra layers provided a conveniently enclosed, all-in-one life support system: [which allows] an embryo can take in stored nutrients, store excess waste products and respire (breathe) without the need of an external aquatic environment. The extra fluids encased in the amnion, plus the tough outer shell, provide extra protection too.

They might have well said... "Once upon a time, in a far away place...". :laughing:

By the way, you have not demonstrated how this happened. You just said it happened. An "educated guess".
Actually, that is all your beliefs are based upon really.
We’re still not sure of exactly when this happened, largely because egg membranes don’t make very good fossils, leaving scientists with no clear record of when, or how, amniotic eggs developed. Our best guess is...

So the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why your beliefs are not absurd.
That's not for me to do.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Claim / Belief - MYTH
60,000
years can be 55,000 or 65,000. Hence the extent of overlap between the two populations during a 10,000 year window of coexistence is being disputed as we need a bit more dating work to reduce the uncertainties.
However we know that modern humans existed 100,000 years ago and Neanderthals also existed by 70,000 years ago.

Current View Among Scientists
The effective dating range of the carbon-14 method is between 100 and 50,000 year

Claim / Belief - MYTH
Radiometric dating have a +- 10% or so error at very early times

Current View Among Scientists
There are limitations to radiometric dating. Samples that are too old may not have enough of the original isotope present for accurate measurement. Samples that are too young may not have enough of the daughter isotope accumulated. Not all materials we would like to date contain useful radioactive isotopes. Nonetheless, we can date many types of rock formations and even establish the age of the earth itself.

Claim / Belief - MYTH
Because decay occurs at a fixed rate..., scientists can measure the amount of decayed material in the sample, determine the ratio between original and decayed material, and then calculate the sample’s age

Current View Among Scientists
The idea of fluctuating beta-decay rates is very controversial because for more than 80 years, radioactive substances have been thought to follow a fixed exponential decay, under all conditions.
In recent years, however, there have been suggestions that decay rates are not constant and are influenced by the Sun.

Evidence For Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance
Evidence Against Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance

While you may think that one is correct, or that either way, it doesn't make much of a difference to the figures.
I too, feel the same way, because at the end of the day, assumptions are made, like assuming that today's experiment will be the same as yesterday's because conditions always are the same.

I don't ridicule you for doing your work, as a scientist, and believing what you think makes sense to you. Even if you were not a scientist, I don't ridicule you for believing what you do.
However, I am convinced that those beliefs you hold dear, are as you described my beliefs... absurd.

“Despite its high popularity, [radiocarbon dating] involves a number of doubtful assumptions, some of which are sufficiently serious to make its results for all ages exceeding about 2000 or 3000 years, in serious need of revision.” - Henry M. Morris​
Oh wait, he's a creationist, from that group of dishonest crank scientists. :facepalm:


I sense an air of superiority. I'm not five years old. :D


You believe an undirected process wills events, like an intelligent agent. :laughing:
For example... You believe, this...
enhanced-buzz-26142-1445111062-4.jpg

Came about through an undirected process.
At some point, a different kind of egg began to evolve, which had three extra membranes inside... Each membrane has a slightly different function but the addition of all these extra layers provided a conveniently enclosed, all-in-one life support system: [which allows] an embryo can take in stored nutrients, store excess waste products and respire (breathe) without the need of an external aquatic environment. The extra fluids encased in the amnion, plus the tough outer shell, provide extra protection too.

They might have well said... "Once upon a time, in a far away place...". :laughing:

By the way, you have not demonstrated how this happened. You just said it happened. An "educated guess".
Actually, that is all your beliefs are based upon really.
We’re still not sure of exactly when this happened, largely because egg membranes don’t make very good fossils, leaving scientists with no clear record of when, or how, amniotic eggs developed. Our best guess is...

So the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why your beliefs are not absurd.
That's not for me to do.
Another list of PRATT's. Seriously do you not know that almost all of your arguments against radiometric dating have been refuted? Do not respond to me if you agree.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
"Absolute knowledge" does not exist. Scientific knowledge does exist.

Well, to understand that requires the ability to think about thinking. Or if you like meta-cognition.
The most brutal short version of philosophy is thinking about thinking.
You then get science, if you add the axioms that the universe is real or fair, knowable and orderly.
But you still have to add false as a limit to what can be known and how orderly works.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Knowledgable Christians understand evolution within species but to say Darwinian evolution is common sense, that ‘some fossils may fit the bill’ and ‘matter tends to change’ is far too pithy. It is clearly not knowledge but belief. You need to know what mammal evolved from the time of mass extinction of the dinosaurs for it not to be a belief.
There is 0 evidence for the above, as logically why would evolution stop at one point for no established reason? Where's this supposed miraculous "wall"? Where's the evidence?
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
There is 0 evidence for the above, as logically why would evolution stop at one point for no established reason? Where's this supposed miraculous "wall"? Where's the evidence?
Yes, zero evidence exists for Darwinian evolution. I cannot believe how so many have been brainwashed by this religion. Just viewing carcasses it could be announced the chicken has directly evolved from the giraffe, both have 4 limbs, a head and abdomen. That’s all Darwinian evolution amounts to.

Everything points to there being a Creator.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yes, zero evidence exists for Darwinian evolution. I cannot believe how so many have been brainwashed by this religion. Just viewing carcasses it could be announced the chicken has directly evolved from the giraffe, both have 4 limbs, a head and abdomen. That’s all Darwinian evolution amounts to.

Everything points to there being a Creator.
Sorry but you are wrong. You simply do not understand the concept of evidence. Especially in the sciences the concept pf evidence is very well defined. So much so that one has to either be totally ignorant or a liar to deny the evidence presented. Here is the definition of scientific evidence:

"Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis,[1]"


That is it. It is that simple. The hard part is that you need to have a testable model to have scientific evidence. The theory of evolution is a testable model. It has been confirmed millions of times. Where is the God hypothesis? What test could possibly refute it if it were wrong?

I can show endless evidence for evolution. Can you show any evidence for God?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Claim / Belief - MYTH
60,000
years can be 55,000 or 65,000. Hence the extent of overlap between the two populations during a 10,000 year window of coexistence is being disputed as we need a bit more dating work to reduce the uncertainties.
However we know that modern humans existed 100,000 years ago and Neanderthals also existed by 70,000 years ago.

Current View Among Scientists
The effective dating range of the carbon-14 method is between 100 and 50,000 year

Claim / Belief - MYTH
Radiometric dating have a +- 10% or so error at very early times

Current View Among Scientists
There are limitations to radiometric dating. Samples that are too old may not have enough of the original isotope present for accurate measurement. Samples that are too young may not have enough of the daughter isotope accumulated. Not all materials we would like to date contain useful radioactive isotopes. Nonetheless, we can date many types of rock formations and even establish the age of the earth itself.

Claim / Belief - MYTH
Because decay occurs at a fixed rate..., scientists can measure the amount of decayed material in the sample, determine the ratio between original and decayed material, and then calculate the sample’s age

Current View Among Scientists
The idea of fluctuating beta-decay rates is very controversial because for more than 80 years, radioactive substances have been thought to follow a fixed exponential decay, under all conditions.
In recent years, however, there have been suggestions that decay rates are not constant and are influenced by the Sun.

Evidence For Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance
Evidence Against Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance

While you may think that one is correct, or that either way, it doesn't make much of a difference to the figures.
I too, feel the same way, because at the end of the day, assumptions are made, like assuming that today's experiment will be the same as yesterday's because conditions always are the same.

I don't ridicule you for doing your work, as a scientist, and believing what you think makes sense to you. Even if you were not a scientist, I don't ridicule you for believing what you do.
However, I am convinced that those beliefs you hold dear, are as you described my beliefs... absurd.

“Despite its high popularity, [radiocarbon dating] involves a number of doubtful assumptions, some of which are sufficiently serious to make its results for all ages exceeding about 2000 or 3000 years, in serious need of revision.” - Henry M. Morris​
Oh wait, he's a creationist, from that group of dishonest crank scientists. :facepalm:


I sense an air of superiority. I'm not five years old. :D


You believe an undirected process wills events, like an intelligent agent. :laughing:
For example... You believe, this...
enhanced-buzz-26142-1445111062-4.jpg

Came about through an undirected process.
At some point, a different kind of egg began to evolve, which had three extra membranes inside... Each membrane has a slightly different function but the addition of all these extra layers provided a conveniently enclosed, all-in-one life support system: [which allows] an embryo can take in stored nutrients, store excess waste products and respire (breathe) without the need of an external aquatic environment. The extra fluids encased in the amnion, plus the tough outer shell, provide extra protection too.

They might have well said... "Once upon a time, in a far away place...". :laughing:

By the way, you have not demonstrated how this happened. You just said it happened. An "educated guess".
Actually, that is all your beliefs are based upon really.
We’re still not sure of exactly when this happened, largely because egg membranes don’t make very good fossils, leaving scientists with no clear record of when, or how, amniotic eggs developed. Our best guess is...

So the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why your beliefs are not absurd.
That's not for me to do.
Currently I am busy with non forum life. I will reply hopefully in a week's time.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Knowledgable Christians understand evolution within species but to say Darwinian evolution is common sense, that ‘some fossils may fit the bill’ and ‘matter tends to change’ is far too pithy. It is clearly not knowledge but belief. You need to know what mammal evolved from the time of mass extinction of the dinosaurs for it not to be a belief.
No.

All fossils, both found and still in the ground, could be destroyed today and tomorrow, common ancestry of species would still be a genetic fact.

Don't confuse unraveling evolutionary history with knowing it occured.

Just like we don't need to know where, when and how your parents had sex and which exact spermcell took wich exact path, etc ... in order to know that you come from your parents.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
No.

All fossils, both found and still in the ground, could be destroyed today and tomorrow, common ancestry of species would still be a genetic fact.
No, that’s not factual. In fact genetic material that has been found in soft tissue in some fossils completely ridicules Darwinian evolution.

Don't confuse unraveling evolutionary history with knowing it occured.
Confusing is what you’re doing on your agenda bender mission.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Didn't anybody ever inform you that evolution isn't an "undirected" process?
Did anyone inform you that natural selection - which is what I was referring to - is not a directed process... except in the mind of some scientists?
However, now that you mentioned evolution, tell me about it. Inform me.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Why don’t you just admit it and give the real reason you hide behind the multitude of sock puppet accounts. You’re flying the gay rainbow colours on this forum. Homosexuality isn’t natural. It is a Darwinian paradox like soft tissue found on dinosaur bones. Your agenda can only lead to hell ad infinitum.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, zero evidence exists for Darwinian evolution. I cannot believe how so many have been brainwashed by this religion.
The ToE has advanced what we know vastly far beyond what Darwin hypothesized, so I have no clue why you keep saying "Darwinian evolution". Also, it is really disingenuous for you to fabricate the ToE as being a "religion" because it clearly is not. Nor does it operate out of any holy books or holy traditions.
Everything points to there being a Creator.
Such as...?

For example, how do you know it was not "Creators"?

Also, I note that you didn't even try and answer the one simple question I asked, so why did you do that?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Why don’t you just admit it and give the real reason you hide behind the multitude of sock puppet accounts. You’re flying the gay rainbow colours on this forum. Homosexuality isn’t natural. It is a Darwinian paradox like soft tissue found on dinosaur bones. Your agenda can only lead to hell ad infinitum.
Looks like someone touched a nerve that affected you so deeply you had to engage in a personal attack against that poster.
Shame on you.
 

Madmogwai

Madmogwai
How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?
If you go to the original story of Adam and Eve it is pure science.
The Summerians we're the First to tell the story, the Anunaki came to Earth from the planet Nibiru to mine our resources.
They bought a race of slaves with them, an uprising led to the destruction of the slaves.
They needed slaves again so from their body they created Adam and Eve, obviously Genetic engineering.
They grew to like man and even had relations with them as is written in most Religions as Gods mating with Humans.
Eventually they left but apparently keep watch, this led to stories of Gods.
How else did the Summerians map the universe thousands of year's ago with no telescopes.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Natural selection is directed by the environment.
Natural selection is a result - the result of environmental pressure acting on genes, etc. Which then results in a process, they call natural selection.
It is what it is - a process... based on the various existing conditions.
It is not like something that exists, that is being guided by anything to a destination.

That is another thing about your absurd beliefs.
You try to make sense of them, and end up making absurd claims.

Oh. ...and the environment is not intelligent.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
@YoursTrue Like I was saying...

Apostle John said:
Everything points to there being a Creator.

Such as...?

For example, how do you know it was not "Creators"?
"In the beginning God created..." Genesis 1:1
I suppose if we don't believe the Bible, we would ask that question.

If we have no text on which we build our faith, anything is possible... except what the text actually says.
There is then reason for the Christian to solidify his faith in God's word, which Jesus himself was fully assured that it was God's word, because not only did he quote it extensively.... In fact he addressed the hypocrites with the words found in it.... exposing their hypocrisy.

If there is no evidence for a creator, then what faith do "Christians" have... other than "blind belief".
Without faith, it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:6
 
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