WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[3rdAngel]

No-one is ‘commanded’ to keep Sunday, the sabbath is just an obsession for churches like the one you are presumably part of. Don’t you read your own holy book?

‘Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath’

Could it be any clearer?

That’s just one example, the NT makes it clear that the ‘rules and regulations’ of OT law were ‘nailed to the cross’.

Hey Tobef nice to meet you..... perhaps you need to read a little more. What sabbaths is Colossians 2:16 referring to? The ceremonial sabbaths in the annual feast days? The sabbath of Jubilee? The sabbath of the land? You do know in the old covenant there were many different types of sabbaths (plural) or days of rest from work that are not the same as Gods creation Sabbath of the 10 commandments right and that these ceremonial sabbaths can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle? Where does Colossians 2:16 say that we no longer need to keep Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments? - Wait a min it doesn't. So nope Colossians 2:16 does not say anywhere that Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished just like there is no scripture that says Sunday is now a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. Seems we have all been taught lies at Sunday school.

Take Care.

 

[Tomef]

Hey Tobef..... perhaps you need to read a little more. What sabbaths is Colossians 2:16 referring to? The sabbaths in the annual feast days? The sabbath of Jubilee? The sabbath of the land? You do know in the old covenant there were many different types of sabbaths or days of rest from work that are not the same as Gods creation Sabbath of the 10 commandments right? Where does this scripture say that we no longer need to keep Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments? - Wait a min it doesn't. So nope Colossians 2:16 does not say anywhere that Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished just like there is no scripture that says Sunday is now a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus.

With regard to ‘a sabbath’. What is unclear about that? Where does it say ‘oh except Saturdays’? As you can see, it doesn’t. That notion only exists in your own mind. But, it’s pointless to argue with such obsessive legalism. As long as you displace Christ’s teachings with obsessions over legalistic trivia, you’ll never understand any of it. Exactly the point Jesus tried to make to the over-religious of his day.

 

[3rdAngel]

With regard to ‘a sabbath’. What is unclear about that? Where does it say ‘oh except Saturdays’? As you can see, it doesn’t. That notion only exists in your own mind. But, it’s pointless to argue with such obsessive legalism. As long as you displace Christ’s teachings with obsessions over legalistic trivia, you’ll never understand any of it. Exactly the point Jesus tried to make to the over-religious of his day.

It is not legalism to believe and obey what Gods Word says. That is the very definition of unbelief and sin (Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6; 1 John 3:4; John 3:36). Believing and obeying what Gods Word says is the very definition of genuine saving faith. No one can claim to have faith in God if they do not do what Gods Word says. According to James this is the very definition of the dead faith of devils and is not saving faith according to the scriptures (see James 2:15-26; Matthew 7:21-23; John 3:36). God does not say anywhere in the scriptures that "any day" is the Sabbath day. Exodus 20:10 from the 10 commandments says "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lords your God..." According to the scripture the very definition of breaking Gods law is sin in Gods eyes (see 1 John 3:4).

Take Care.

 

[YoursTrue]

He is actually correct. You can believe in God. I certainly believe in God. But believing is not the same as knowing. Knowing means a thing has been proven. God can be neither proven nor disproven.

When the prophecies as spoken of in the Bible are fulfilled, you (we) will know beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's like reading about a foreign country or actually going there.

 

[Tomef]

It is not legalism to believe and obey what Gods Word says. That is the very definition of unbelief and sin (Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6; 1 John 3:4; John 3:36). Believing and obeying what Gods Word says is the very definition of genuine saving faith. No one can claim to have faith in God if they do not do what Gods Word says. According to James this is the very definition of the dead faith of devils and is not saving faith according to the scriptures (see James 2:15-26; Matthew 7:21-23; John 3:36). God does not say anywhere in the scriptures that "any day" is the Sabbath day. Exodus 20:10 from the 10 commandments says "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lords your God..." According to the scripture the very definition of breaking Gods law is sin in Gods eyes (see 1 John 3:4).

Take Care.

You can see for yourself how hollow this is. Your obsession consists in a single point that is unsupported by any of your arguments. What’s the point ? There are far better things you could do with your time.

 

[YoursTrue]

Can you compress this l-e-n-g-t-h-y post into something shorter? I would like to discuss this issue with you, perhaps point-by-point, but I can't respond to your post in its entirety.

A couple of things I did notice toward the end of your post...

You said, "Romans 7 is in contradiction to scriptures from the same book of Romans and the rest of the bible." All that says to me is that you don't understand what Paul wrote.

And yes, of course we are to live by God's word and to be guided by the Holy Spirit.

Because Jesus says something to the Jews its often not relevant to non-Jewish believers. Jesus spoke to people who were not born again or filled with the Spirit, i.e., they were not believers. It is important when reading the Bible to understand to whom it is being addressed, whether spoken or written.

Matthew 13:10-15, "The disciples came to him [Jesus] and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them."

Very good point.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: It is not legalism to believe and obey what Gods Word says. That is the very definition of unbelief and sin (Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6; 1 John 3:4; John 3:36). Believing and obeying what Gods Word says is the very definition of genuine saving faith. No one can claim to have faith in God if they do not do what Gods Word says. According to James this is the very definition of the dead faith of devils and is not saving faith according to the scriptures (see James 2:15-26; Matthew 7:21-23; John 3:36). God does not say anywhere in the scriptures that "any day" is the Sabbath day. Exodus 20:10 from the 10 commandments says "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lords your God..." According to the scripture the very definition of breaking Gods law is sin in Gods eyes (see 1 John 3:4).

Your response here.

You can see for yourself how hollow this is. Your obsession consists in a single point that is unsupported by any of your arguments. What’s the point ? There are far better things you could do with your time.

It is not hollow to believe and obey what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures this is the very definition of what genuine saving faith is (Ephesians 2:8-9; James 2:15-26). Not believing and not obeying what Gods Word says is the very definitions of what sin is (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23). James also calling this the dead faith of devils (James 2:15-26). So it is not obsession to believe and obey what Gods Word says. This is the bibles definition of genuine saving faith without which it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). What is hollow is to think you have faith if you do not do what Gods word asks you to do and to think you are in a saved state before God.

 

[3rdAngel]

Very good point.

What good point? Lawlessness is in sin Gods eyes (1 John 3:4).

 

[Tomef]

Your response here.

It is not hollow to believe and obey what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures this is the very definition of what genuine saving faith it. Not believing and not obeying what Gods Word says is the very definitions of what sin is (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23). James also calling this the dead faith of devils (James 2:15-26). So it is not obsession to believe and obey what Gods Word says. This is the bibles definition of genuine saving faith without which it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6).

Deflecting doesn’t make your point. Your arguments are hollow, they have nothing to do with the question at hand. Your argument and ‘following god’s word’ are two different things.

This is out of your religious book:

‘Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath’

Where does it say that Sundays aren’t included? Where , anywhere in the Bible, does it say that? If it’s not there, why do you pretend it is?

 

[3rdAngel]

Deflecting doesn’t make your point.

Posting scripture in disagreement with you is not deflecting. It is sharing scripture that is in disagreement with you.

Your arguments are hollow, they have nothing to do with the question at hand. Your argument and ‘following god’s word’ are two different things

As posted earlier to you and proven from the scriptures, it is not hollow to believe and obey what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures this is the very definition of what genuine saving faith is (Ephesians 2:8-9; James 2:15-26). Not believing and not obeying what Gods Word says is the very definitions of what sin is (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23). James also calling this the dead faith of devils (James 2:15-26). So it is not obsession to believe and obey what Gods Word says. This is the bibles definition of genuine saving faith without which it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). What is hollow is to think you have faith if you do not do what Gods word asks you to do and to think you are in a saved state before God.

This is out of your religious book: ‘Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath’

Indeed. So does this say Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? - Nope. According to James breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments in sin right? (James 2:10-11) and we know according to the scriptures all those who continue in known unrepentant sin are not in a saved state before God (see Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that all those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God. Begs the question who should we be following; God or man? We have all been taught lies at Sunday school.

Where does it say that Sundays aren’t included? Where , anywhere in the Bible, does it say that? If it’s not there, why do you pretend it is?

There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest as a replacement for Gods Sabbath commandment in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition leading many to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

 

[Tomef]

Posting scripture in disagreement with you is not deflecting. It is sharing scripture that is in disagreement with you.

As posted earlier to you and proven from the scriptures, it is not hollow to believe and obey what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures this is the very definition of what genuine saving faith is (Ephesians 2:8-9; James 2:15-26). Not believing and not obeying what Gods Word says is the very definitions of what sin is (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23). James also calling this the dead faith of devils (James 2:15-26). So it is not obsession to believe and obey what Gods Word says. This is the bibles definition of genuine saving faith without which it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). What is hollow is to think you have faith if you do not do what Gods word asks you to do and to think you are in a saved state before God.

Indeed. So does this say Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? - Nope. According to James breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments in sin right? (James 2:10-11) and we know according to the scriptures all those who continue in known unrepentant sin are not in a saved state before God (see Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that all those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God. Begs the question who should we be following; God or man? We have all been taught lies at Sunday school.

There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest as a replacement for Gods Sabbath commandment in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition leading many to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

What does this have to do with the post you responded to?

If you need it to be explained to you, you are deflecting by pretending this is about ‘following gods word’ rather than the feebleness of your arguments. The question is do you have an argument, the answer is no.

Where in your Bible does it tell you that ‘a Sabbath’ in the quoted passage doesn’t include the sabbath you believe is still a legal requirement?

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Posting scripture in disagreement with you is not deflecting. It is sharing scripture that is in disagreement with you.
As posted earlier to you and proven from the scriptures, it is not hollow to believe and obey what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures this is the very definition of what genuine saving faith is (Ephesians 2:8-9; James 2:15-26). Not believing and not obeying what Gods Word says is the very definitions of what sin is (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23). James also calling this the dead faith of devils (James 2:15-26). So it is not obsession to believe and obey what Gods Word says. This is the bibles definition of genuine saving faith without which it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). What is hollow is to think you have faith if you do not do what Gods word asks you to do and to think you are in a saved state before God. Indeed. So does this say Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? - Nope. According to James breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments in sin right? (James 2:10-11) and we know according to the scriptures all those who continue in known unrepentant sin are not in a saved state before God (see Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that all those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God. Begs the question who should we be following; God or man? We have all been taught lies at Sunday school. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest as a replacement for Gods Sabbath commandment in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition leading many to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

Your response here

What does this have to do with the post you responded to?

If you do not believe and do what Gods Word says you are still in your sins and unbelief and lost in your sins. There is no scripture that says Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to breaking Gods commandments against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9

If you need it to be explained to you, you are deflecting by pretending this is about ‘following gods word’ rather than the feebleness of your arguments. The question is do you have an argument, the answer is no.

As posted earlier to you, posting scripture in disagreement with you is not deflecting. It is sharing scripture that is in disagreement with you. Scripture is not a feeble argument. Scripture is Gods very definition and standard of what is true and what is not true (see John 17:17; Romans 3:4) and not believing it is sin in Gods eyes (see John 3:36; Romans 14:23 and Hebrews 11:6).

Where in your Bible does it tell you that ‘a Sabbath’ in the quoted passage doesn’t include the sabbath you believe is still a legal requirement?

Like I posted to you earlier there are many types of sabbaths in the bible. Only Gods creation Sabbath in the 10 commandments is still a requirement for Christian living and is quoted all through the old and new testament scriptures along with everyone of Gods 10 commandments. There is nothing there for Sunday worship though as a replacement for Gods Sabbath commandment in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition not supported by the scriptures and has led many into breaking the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

 

[Tomef]

As posted earlier to you, posting scripture in disagreement with you is not deflecting.

Yes it is. By parroting the same nonsense you are deflecting away from the fact that you simply don’t have an argument. Endlessly repeating the same tropes does not prove your point, it just makes it seem like you are either unwilling or unable to think and learn.

 

[Tomef]

Like I posted to you earlier there are many types of sabbaths in the bible. Only Gods creation Sabbath in the 10 commandments is still a requirement for Christian living and is quoted all through the old and new testament scriptures along with everyone of Gods 10 commandments.

Ok, so where in the passage quoted does it say that Saturdays are not included? In which actual scripture you can quote does it say that?

If it’s not there, why do you pretend it is?

 

[Tomef]

Your response here

If you do not believe and do what Gods Word says you are still in your sins and unbelief and lost in your sins. There is no scripture that says Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to breaking Gods commandments against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9

As posted earlier to you, posting scripture in disagreement with you is not deflecting. It is sharing scripture that is in disagreement with you. Scripture is not a feeble argument. Scripture is Gods very definition and standard of what is true and what is not true (see John 17:17; Romans 3:4) and not believing it is sin in Gods eyes (see John 3:36; Romans 14:23 and Hebrews 11:6).

Like I posted to you earlier there are many types of sabbaths in the bible. Only Gods creation Sabbath in the 10 commandments is still a requirement for Christian living and is quoted all through the old and new testament scriptures along with everyone of Gods 10 commandments. There is nothing there for Sunday worship though as a replacement for Gods Sabbath commandment in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition not supported by the scriptures and has led many into breaking the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

Here is the passage again:

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

Where does it say ‘oh btw Saturdays are not included, only all the other Sabbaths’? If it’s not there, why do you carry on as if it is? Please provide an actual explanation of your reasons for doing so.

 

[3rdAngel]

Yes it is. By parroting the same nonsense you are deflecting away from the fact that you simply don’t have an argument. Endlessly repeating the same tropes does not prove your point, it just makes it seem like you are either unwilling or unable to think and learn.

As posted earlier to you, posting scripture in disagreement with you is not deflecting. It is sharing scripture that is in disagreement with you. Scripture is not a feeble argument. Scripture is Gods very definition and standard of what is true and what is not true (see John 17:17; Romans 3:4) and not believing it is sin in Gods eyes (see John 3:36; Romans 14:23 and Hebrews 11:6).

 

[3rdAngel]

Ok, so where in the passage quoted does it say that Saturdays are not included? In which actual scripture you can quote does it say that?
If it’s not there, why do you pretend it is?

Hey happy to and no pretending needed unlike Sunday worship that is not biblical. Hebrew bible reckoning of days does not go by our reckoning of time. Biblical days start at sunset and end at sunset. Likewise the days are simply called Day 1 = our Sunday; Day 2 = our Monday; Day 3 = our Tuesday, Day 4 = our Wednesday; Day 5 = our Thursday; Day 6 Preparation day before Sabbath our Friday; and Day 7 = Sabbath. So it is the seventh day of the week that God blessed and made a holy day of rest for all mankind in Genesis 2:1-3 and in the words of Jesus God made for all mankind in Mark 2:27-28. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27) who taught us how to keep the Sabbath in Matthew 12:1-12 and expected us to continue keeping the Sabbath up until the last days before the second coming see Matthew 24:20; Mark 13:18. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living and according to James breaking anyone of them is sin in Gods eyes (James 2:10-11).

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Like I posted to you earlier there are many types of sabbaths in the bible. Only Gods creation Sabbath in the 10 commandments is still a requirement for Christian living and is quoted all through the old and new testament scriptures along with everyone of Gods 10 commandments. There is nothing there for Sunday worship though as a replacement for Gods Sabbath commandment in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition not supported by the scriptures and has led many into breaking the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

Your response here...

Here is the passage again: Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. Where does it say ‘oh btw Saturdays are not included, only all the other Sabbaths’? If it’s not there, why do you carry on as if it is? Please provide an actual explanation of your reasons for doing so.

Here let me help you with this because you seem not to believe the summarized version of the scriptures that you are responding to so lets look at all the context, and subject matter of Colossians 2:11-17 and see what Paul is quoting from in the old testament scriptures ok? This one will be over a few posts though because unlike you pulling scripture out of context to the rest of the bible we will be looking at all the scripture context so there will no longer be any doubt for you what these scriptures are really talking about. So lets make a start....

CHAPTER CONTEXT OF COL 2:14 AND SUBJECT MATTER (COL 2:11-17)

V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.

Foretold in the OLD TESTAMENT….

DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] Circumcise therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

CONCLUSION; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14
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COL 2:14 SCRIPTURE SUBJECT MATTER AND CONTENT.

14, Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE

14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase>the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφονcheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμαdogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means; ORDINANCE; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL laws>that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA meaning THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant

This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). Also the chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCES OF v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 30:19 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. (See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)

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CONCLUSION; COL 2:14 is talking about the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.

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Continuing next with Colossians 2:15-17.

 

[Tomef]

in disagreement with you.

In disagreement with me on what? You haven’t quoted anything relevant to anything I said. Do you understand that simply posting the same vaguely related things doesn’t actually make any kind of point that would be relevant?

 

[3rdAngel]

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COL 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

Col 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) MEAT, OR IN DRINK, or in respect of an (2) FEASTIVAL, or of the (3) NEW MOON, or of the (4) SABBATH DAY{S} PLURAL: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?

EZEKIEL 45:17-21, It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the burnt offerings, (1) MEAT OFFERING AND DRINK OFFERINGS, at the (2) FEASTS, the (3) NEW MOONS, and the (4) SABBATH{S}, AT ALL THE APPOINTED (2) FEASTS OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1 CHRONICLES 23:31 and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2 CHRONICLES 2:4 [4] Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

A High Sabbath day however was when a Holy convocation [annual feast day] falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of the book of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.

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