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  1. catch22

    Abortion

    Lack of intent is punitive, even legally. Strict liability. Second degree murder. Manslaughter. If there's no excuse for those situations, why here?
  2. catch22

    Abortion

    Also, there's the issue of fecundity. Any given day or sexual encounter is not the same chance. It's best to measure it over the course of time. Ask tons of teen mothers if they figured they'd get pregnant on their first try.
  3. catch22

    Abortion

    Yes. Over the course of a year. I phrased it accordingly. Let me google that for you
  4. catch22

    Abortion

    Okay. So if murder is the unjustifiable killing of a human being, the only thing that prevents this from being murder is because it's currently legal in the United States? I mean, would it be fair to say the mother forced the child into the situation? Then just ended its life? At what point...
  5. catch22

    Abortion

    Horrible example. If you had a 25% chance to die every time you rode your bike, you would not ride your bike. But your figures aren't so impressive, because of the way you present them. For example, it'd be more convincing to say riding your bike Monday - Friday there is a 5% chance to be...
  6. catch22

    Abortion

    From that last post, answer this specifically, please: If a fetus is supposed to be in their mother's womb (by their mother's own actions), and if a fetus is qualified as an entity capable of infringing on its mother's right to bodily autonomy, why does the fetus not get its own bodily autonomy...
  7. catch22

    Abortion

    Possible or not, it's a natural outcome. Why isn't it valid? Some people get pregnant using multiple forms of birth control. You eat, you poop. You drink, you pee. You have intercourse, you get pregnant. You get pregnant, you have a baby. This is natural order. It's what happens. It's...
  8. catch22

    Abortion

    Heh. I get it. For the newborn, just about always someone will take up the responsibility, and so your mental construct no longer applies. Got it. Knew it before posting. Thanks. Murder. Rape. Slavery. You don't care, because it doesn't apply to you personally. We've established this...
  9. catch22

    Abortion

    Legalism doesn't suit anyone well. Is eating food consent to fecal matter?
  10. catch22

    Did you ever experience a miracle?

    Random acts of kindness are nice. I consider every beat of my heart and every breath I take to be a miracle.
  11. catch22

    Abortion

    ...personal insults, yet again. How do you stay active on this site anyway? Pay money, they don't moderate you? Sad and desperate is the guy who needs to be heard, I guess. But I'd argue it does. Unless you can show me a method of caring for a new born infant that requires no parts of...
  12. catch22

    Abortion

    A new born baby is not autonomous. By your mental construct, maybe so, but there's no reality to it. If it were, it wouldn't require anything to survive on its own. I know your angle on all this legal definition, but it's still a mental fallacy. Bodily autonomy concerning abortion must...
  13. catch22

    Abortion

    No, no. I'm not ignorant of the term. I just think it's hogwash. It's a mental fallacy people invent for themselves in order to justify morally depraved actions like killing babies. This is my opinion. I'm not here saying this isn't a legal term or that it shouldn't be (it shouldn't, but...
  14. catch22

    Abortion

    It's misogyny to point out that women gestate children? The heck?
  15. catch22

    Abortion

    Except on sovereign tribal land, where the bans don't apply. If it doesn't have health effects, why does anyone get to determine how and where one can partake in their own bodily autonomy? My point is, there's restrictions on it in some variety, how autonomous are you if it's autonomous only...
  16. catch22

    I Dislike Being a Stick in the Mud...

    Yeeeaaaah. I'm primarily a debater on this site, so I'm often informed I'm rude or harsh or insensitive or brash... In fairness, my wife says the same thing. I really do work on this... limited success thus far. Alas, rough love is what I know, so I often toil in this consideration: is it...
  17. catch22

    Abortion

    Incoming lawsuits against new born children who demand breast milk? Infants who deprive their parents of sleep? Toddlers that test their parent's sanity? Is that not relying on the parent's body for well being? Then you are obligated to defend and protect the mother who smokes, drinks, and...
  18. catch22

    Abortion

    By the way this is incoherent, like a lot of laws we have I suppose. I can consent to eat, but I do not consent to poop. Ludicrous. You'd think all these science-types would appreciate good ol fashion natural order, but you know, not when they are inconvenienced after pleasuring themselves...
  19. catch22

    Abortion

    My point is you know better. There's a reason why you do. So if what they do is murder, why be indifferent to the plight of the people over there, so much so you'd strongly imply that, since murder is illegal here and we (usually) enforce it, it's fine for bodily autonomy. What about those...
  20. catch22

    Abortion

    My only question to this is: if genetically it will form into a human being, it will have life, and there's no reason to prevent or terminate it, aside from the grounds that said mother was irresponsible and partook in an act (which could easily be construed as strict liability mind you), why...
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