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  1. Left Coast

    Current Belief

    I care. 20 minute bathroom usage is rough, @JustGeorge!
  2. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    Oh. So it had no basis besides random whim. Okay. Bizarre. :shrug:
  3. Left Coast

    Osiris

    You think Marcion believed "forgiveness alone," apart from any other works or faith, is all that's necessary for salvation? Nothing you cited indicates that.
  4. Left Coast

    Osiris

    No worries! Hold on. Before we get into this, what I was responding to was the idea that there was some sect of early Christians who believed "forgiveness alone," without faith or any other works, was all that was necessary for salvation. I said there was no evidence for such a sect. You're...
  5. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    If moral equivalence doesn't apply to your view, why use the word "murder," then, to describe the killing of a bird? Murder is a term in English that has a moral meaning. And it's a word we use only to describe innocent human deaths. Surely you know this. Surely that's the reason you're...
  6. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    You didn't see where I took all those considerations into account, and still had a question at the end? But it is though. Either you regard the situations as morally equivalent, even after all your caveats, or you don't regard them as morally equivalent.
  7. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    I didn't see it. See my reiteration of the yes/no question in post #20. Is the answer yes, or no? A lot of generalities here. If a random stranger I don't know is murdered, I would expect law enforcement and the justice system to work just as hard to track down, capture, and punish the...
  8. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    I suspect your reason for not answering is because you recognize how extreme - and frankly, suicidal - such a view would be. But if you prefer not to answer, I understand.
  9. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    This doesn't answer the question, to be honest. If I don't kill the bacteria to eat it, if I don't ask the bacteria's permission to kill it (how would I?), if it's not threatening my life, if I was angry, if I did it for the simple pleasure of a clean kitchen, if I gave nothing "back" or "up" in...
  10. Left Coast

    Congratulations to Britain and Keir Starmers Labour party

    Thanks for starting a thread about politics from somewhere other than the USA!
  11. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    That's wild. So you consider it equally morally egregious if I Clorox my countertops in my kitchen, thus "murdering" countless bacteria, and me shooting and murdering a human being in cold blood?
  12. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    Should we put people in prison if they, say kill an innocent ant?
  13. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    All killing is murder? :oops:
  14. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    'Murder' is a particular word we use for killing of innocent humans. We punish murderers with life in prison or even the death penalty. You're not seriously suggesting that murdering an innocent human has the same moral gravity (which would then entail a similar response from society) as killing...
  15. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You're not morally equating the killing of a human with the killing of a bird, are you?
  16. Left Coast

    U.S. officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of barred owls to save another species from extinction

    Key detail: "The plan calls for killing up to 470,000 barred owls over three decades ."
  17. Left Coast

    Congratulations to Britain and Keir Starmers Labour party

    Also it's Keir* Starmer, I believe.
  18. Left Coast

    Congratulations to Britain and Keir Starmers Labour party

    Summary from Reuters for those who haven't heard: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/new-pm-starmer-pledges-action-not-words-fix-britain-2024-07-05/
  19. Left Coast

    God is a woman

    I can say it as many times as you'd like, fast or slow, and my question remains the same. :)
  20. Left Coast

    God is a woman

    Again wouldn't that mean she's all genders or no gender?
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