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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    Jesus was the first of the three to die. He rejected the pain killer, vinegar and myrrh. It's proposed that had he been prepared to push down with his agonizing feet he could have raised his body enough to breath slightly better. Jesus apparantly did not do this. In no way can it be seen that he...
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    He was silent to Herod, silent to the mob, bore his punishment without screaming, accepted his lot. But... he did answer Pilot, did warn people of what will become of Israel, did tell John to care for his mother and did show us that he took upon himself our own experiences of being forsake by...
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    Yes, this is what King David foresaw in Psalm 22, My God my God why have you forsaken me?' Jesus was to bear our own sin, and experience our own punishment.
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    Well, that's interesting, and I will give you point. Thanks. However, Israel is not a sinless servant who dies for the sins for Israel - this description better fits Jesus, just as other Isaiah verses do. Same for the Psalms 22 and 69, and Zechariah 9 and 12, and Daniel who spoke of the Messiah...
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    Jesus does this on occasion. He alternates from himself in the third person as 'the son of man' and the same verses where he himself is that person.
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    Alternating between first, second and third party is a common biblical practice.
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    He did not answer his critics. His words were those minimal to express his concern for his mother and to plead his case before God. Even David mentioned him saying 'My God my God why....' Now, did those perfect Jews who suffered, died and rose again - did THEY remain in silence? Re Zechariah -...
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    This explaining away of Isaiah 52/53 hearkens back to the Jewish sages of the Middle Ages. What doctrine of Moses permits the Jewish nation to atone for the sins of other Jews by dying in their stead? Why would God allow Jews who have never sinned to die horrible deaths? And have any of these...
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    Isaiah 53 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring...
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    He came into the world as a child, suffered and was sacrificed. People were amazed at how he was disfigured. He was buried and raised, and was satisfied with his work of redemption. This is the same figure that David, Ezekiel etc speak of - the same person that Isaiah wrote of many times - the...
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    Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

    Isaiah 52/53 is firstly about a nation, then a preacher, then a nation, then a suffering man who redeems his nation through his death and is resurrected.
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    The Exclusivity of Christianity

    Reminds me of an old No Parking sign in Brisbane, Australia. Many were booked for parking there, thinking that the old weather worn sign could be dismissed because it hadn't been updated. They were wrong. Same with the bible actually.
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    So what about hell?

    I like what someone said once, 'God means what he says.' And yes, the bible says there's a hell. I am sure some imagery is symbolic (ie darkness or fire - contradictory ideas really) but there's a hell if there's a heaven. And this hell is, fundamentally, separation from God. Also, Jesus spoke...
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    humankind is evil: change my mind

    Humans have declared the earth to be its property because there's no-one to challenge them. Humans do what any other species will do if it gains the ascendancy - alter its environment to suit itself. Not sure how we are going to destroy ourselves - we are much too smart for that. And all animals...
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    Why Creation by an Omnipotent, Omniscient Deity Is Even More Improbable than Pure Chance

    But my point is - your average citizen is given the impression 1 - we know how it all began 2 - we soon will know how it all began. That's the problem. No honesty or humility.
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    Why Creation by an Omnipotent, Omniscient Deity Is Even More Improbable than Pure Chance

    So here's the thing - we can make a lightning rod to direct the thunder bolts from heaven (even laser ones.) We can figure out how life evolves. We know how contracting gas forms whole worlds. But that's the easy stuff, explaining or controlling our environment - explaining how our environment...
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    Why Creation by an Omnipotent, Omniscient Deity Is Even More Improbable than Pure Chance

    That's a question you cannot answer because you cannot comprehend the realm of God. If God lies outside of space and time then how would you begin to imagine such a realm? So forget about an answer to who created God, forget about the question to begin with.
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    Why Creation by an Omnipotent, Omniscient Deity Is Even More Improbable than Pure Chance

    And a universe creating itself before it existed is not a secular religous belief? We are NOT EVEN CLOSE to explaining such an absurdity.
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    Why Creation by an Omnipotent, Omniscient Deity Is Even More Improbable than Pure Chance

    So... you are fine with a universe creating itself before it existed, and for utterly no reason whatsoever?
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    Can we accept there is no evidence for god

    God is not based upon evidence. That's the whole point of faith. We don't have evidence the universe created itself before it existed, but we are fine with thinking that.
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