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  1. Brian2

    "Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

    Here is an interesting interview that you would probably agree with. It is long but I found it keeps you hooked into listening to more.
  2. Brian2

    Hi I’m a very old member who is back

    Welcome back. I live in Melbourne also and have just left the forum but look in on occasion and saw your thread. Interestingly my son, who had schizophrenia, would be about you age if he was still alive. He died of a heart problem about 5 years ago. Enjoy you stay here.
  3. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Really, all you have is those verses and you use them to deny everything in the Bible about Jesus and give it all to Baha'u'llah, who fulfills nothing but only claims to be the Christ he is not. Peter tells us that scoffers would come in the last days and say "Where is the promise of Jesus...
  4. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    All those OT prophecies applied to Jesus in God's Word, the New Testament. The Father and Son living in someone through the Holy Spirit and guiding and changing them is much more than a new Book of Laws. Jesus Kingdom (or if you like, New World Order) is not what Baha'is envisage. In fact the...
  5. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    Acts 1:9-11 does not say anything about outer space etc. The disciples did not actually see Jesus go into heaven. The word for heaven is the same as that for sky so in reality Acts 1:9-11 is saying "this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into the sky, shall so come in like manner as ye...
  6. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    God of course, cannot give us any greater gift than Himself dwelling with us and guiding us into all truth. You have certainly had a while to think about Baha'i.
  7. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    Jesus describes Himself as "The Son of Man", the eschatological human figure and there are good reasons why even the use of "The Son of Man" when describing the one who would return, is the same Jesus,,,,,,,,,,,, the one to whom all judgement is given by His Father. (John 5) There is absolutely...
  8. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    And that is part of your problem right there. But the truth is that when Jesus does describe it, it is no big deal to you to deny it also. eg Mark 8:30 And Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about Him. 31 Then He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected...
  9. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    He fulfills only what he firsts changes the meaning of. Any false Christ can do and does that.
  10. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Authorised or not, Baha'u'llah takes things of Jesus and glorifies himself with them. The truth is that Baha'u'llah offers nothing that Jesus did not offer. There is a spirit of deception working behind what Baha'u'llah wrote. For a Christian like me it is the changing of the meaning of...
  11. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    It does not matter. Jesus has power over the laws of nature. Then you already believe that the resurrection and ascension story are not literal. You like to think that you have some independance of thought and belief but really you believe what Baha'i tells you to believe about the Bible...
  12. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    So the story of the resurrection and ascension have no literal reality for a Baha'i. The Baha'i Jesus or the Bible Jesus? Either Jesus is a prisoner in heaven or is free to go wherever He want to go. Angels can go to heaven or earth but the Manifestations are stuck in heaven? Yes, OK, sure.
  13. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    And Shoghi Effendi was able to say what Baha'is believed about the resurrection and ascension of Jesus.
  14. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    The disciples could not see Jesus when He was hidden in a cloud, so the angels asked why they were looking into the sky. It was the angels who said, this same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven. and what they said...
  15. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    You may be right that a spiritual body is not subject to gravity, but that does not really matter when it comes to ascending to heaven imo. This site gives the authoritative Baha'i interpretation of the resurrection and ascension. They did not happen literally...
  16. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    From this site: Shoghi Effendi - Bahaipedia, an encyclopedia about the Bahá’í Faith Shoghi Effendi Rabbani (March 1, 1897 - November 4, 1957) was a direct descendant of Bahá’u’lláh and the grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá. After the Ascension of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá he was appointed the Guardian of the Bahá’í...
  17. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    From this site: Shoghi Effendi - Bahaipedia, an encyclopedia about the Bahá’í Faith Shoghi Effendi Rabbani (March 1, 1897 - November 4, 1957) was a direct descendant of Bahá’u’lláh and the grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá. After the Ascension of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá he was appointed the Guardian of the Bahá’í...
  18. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    I go with the interpretation of prophecy which the NT applies to Jesus from the OT prophecies. So it is only partly my interpretation. There are some OT prophecies applied to Jesus in the NT and which Baha'i wants to say should be applied to Baha'u'llah. I suppose Baha'i has to do that so that...
  19. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    The trinity teaching or something very similar just seems to be the truth from my reading of the Bible.
  20. Brian2

    Is this Old Testament passage "hate speech"?

    If you don't believe the Bible it is anything you want,
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