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  1. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    The infallible Shoghi Effendi says that the resurrection stories were allegorical. See post 59. The angel pointed to the body missing from the tomb as evidence of the resurrection (Matt 28:6) Jesus came back to life bodily, but the body was a spiritual body. The physical body had been...
  2. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    You must have somehow missed those places I have just highlighted,,,,,,,,,,,, the ones that tell us that the disciples saw Jesus ascending and that Jesus was hidden from their view after a while by cloud. Actually if they did not see anything ascending then there was no reason for them to be...
  3. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    If you believe the stories are not true then why are you worried about what they say? One minute you are trying to sus out what and even if the disciples saw Jesus ascend and what sort of body it was and then the next minute you are saying the whole thing is just rubbish anyway. But when your...
  4. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    Are you saying that it means that Baha'u'llah will rise from the dead? If so I would disagree since the disciples have told people about the vision, so the Son of Man Jesus was referring to must be Him, Jesus. We get close to agreeing at times but never quite get there. It is true that the...
  5. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    1Thess 4:13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we...
  6. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    Materialised body? Sounds like something someone made up. Jesus rose bodily into His resurrection body. (Matt 28:6) Jesus said that before He was crucified, or iow, while the world was still seeing Him. Are you saying that when the disciples saw the resurrected Jesus, that they did not really...
  7. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    Remember this passage which tells us that the resurrection included the human body of Jesus. Matt 28:5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; He has risen, just as He said! Come, see the place where He...
  8. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    The text tells us that the disciples saw Jesus going up and that a cloud hid Him from their sight. We are told that the disciples saw Jesus ascend and that a cloud hid Him from their sight. They kept looking and the angel asked why. There was nothing to see because the cloud had hidden Jesus...
  9. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    They had a vision (they saw things) and heard the Father's voice. It does not say that they were asleep. It does not say that Moses and Elias did not actually appear to and speak to Jesus. It does not say that Jesus did not actually shine. "Vision" means what they saw. The gospels tell us of...
  10. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    So the transfiguration was a vision, whatever that may be, but why do you say that this story shows that the resurrection was not bodily or physical? Do you really think that is what this sentence means? Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
  11. Brian2

    What is the meaning of Acts 1:9-11?

    Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into...
  12. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    So we find out where and to whom Jesus appeared when we combine the gospels. He appeared to them in Galilee but only after first appearing to them in Jerusalem that same day. Even Paul adds to the appearances.
  13. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Fora start, if Jesus was not raised from the dead then He would not have fulfilled OT prophecy about the Messiah and so would not be the Messiah. (Just as Baha'u'llah fulfils nothing about the return of Jesus.)
  14. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Imagine that, believing what the so called return of Christ say about the prophecies in the NT about Jesus return, when they show that he (Baha'u'llah) is not the return of Christ.
  15. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Baha'is make a big deal about the unimportant detail of whether Jesus was physically raised from the dead, and the Trinity (who Jesus is) The atoning death and subsequent resurrection are the heart of the gospel message and are prophesied in the OT. Isa 53 is shown in the NT to be about Jesus...
  16. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Why not. It may have been a symbolic ascension, so that the disciples knew where He was going and may be a symbolic descent by the same Jesus, the same way they saw Him ascend. However you kid yourself when you say we have a better understanding of where heaven is than Christians in the first...
  17. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    As do you when you deny Luke as a historical source and treat him as guilty of error until proven right. I try to look at what other historical sources have shown are the possibilities, and that shows that Luke could be correct.
  18. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    So in the 21st century we know that people cannot walk on water or calm storms with a command so Jesus did not do those things?
  19. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Listening to Baha'u'llah and denying the Bible is the Baha'i way. "Context" to a Baha'i is the Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ even when the Bible tells us that is not and cannot be so. Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their...
  20. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    My understanding of the Bible is that it tells us the truth. When I first started looking at Baha'u'llah as a Bible believer, I say this passage and realised that Baha'u'llah was a false Christ and that there was no reason to go any further. Anything I have heard from Baha'is since has just...
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