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  1. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    There are many prophecies about the Messiah that Baha'u'llah and Baha'i claim belong to Baha'u'llah, even if those prophecies are applied to Jesus in the New Testament. Reason and logic does not work because they do not believe the Bible but believe Baha'u'llah and Baha'i teachings and deny the...
  2. Brian2

    Why did God Not Allow Humanity To Be All Knowing ?

    Yes Adam and Eve wanted to know things before God thought they were ready. There was good reason for Adam and Eve not to know right and wrong at that stage of their development imo. If we knew the future for example some people would try to do something else apart from what they knew, and when...
  3. Brian2

    If I jumped from the second story window of this apartment what would happen to me ?

    Probably that you may have mental issues and should not be encouraged to jump from heights if you are not thinking well at the moment, or you might do it and harm yourself.
  4. Brian2

    If I jumped from the second story window of this apartment what would happen to me ?

    You might end up more scared of heights after hurting yourself. But we have a fear of heights for a reason. It is becoming to blase' around heights can be dangerous. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that. It is possible to keep your fear of heights and mindfulness of what could happen if you...
  5. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    It happened in 6 periods of time that were not 24 hour days imo also. So God created all the different sorts of plants and animals etc and they have reproduced and continued to evolve,,,,,,,,,,,,, diversifying to fit into environmental niches and degenerating also through harmful mutations.
  6. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    So you are saying that creation has always existed and was not created by anyone, but the world and humans have not always existed even though they are part of creation. Do you mean that the material of the physical creation has always existed in some form and the material of the spiritual...
  7. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Are you saying that Jesus was not as good as God? Is that because you think Jesus sinned or what?
  8. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    So Jesus made a mistake and should have said that nobody is as good as God. However since Jesus is exactly like His Father, then He is as good as God. Adam sinned in the eyes of God when he ate the fruit. He did what God had told him not to do. Moses sinned in the eyes of God when he struck...
  9. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    I said: Jesus said that only God is good and Baha'is say that the Manifestations are good but not God. What I meant was, "Jesus said that only God is good and Baha'is say that the Manifestations are good but are not God."
  10. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    So Jesus was lying in order to show a false humility when in fact in Baha'i he was good like God is. And it seems that in Baha'i even though nobody is good but God, the Manifestations are good when they are not God, and this is even though those called Manifestations in the Bible sinned (except...
  11. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    I did not mean that Baha'is say that God is not good, I meant that Baha'is say that Manifestations are not God, even though Jesus said that only God is good. So Manifestations are good but not God. So Jesus was wrong. And in the Bible the so called Manifestations are shown to sin, so the Bible...
  12. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    There was no tribal pantheon in Genesis and it does not tell us how God created it all, and science does not tell us that either, and science can come up with unverifiable educated guesses only. The Bible is one account and Baha'i probably contradicts it and all other creation accounts of...
  13. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Why do you say "False" when what I said was correct? Then you change topic and seem to want to say that the OT God sins and reflects human characteristics. Is it that you consider the Hebrew scriptures to be fictional and not the Word of God?
  14. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    I suppose this means that humans, or at least most of them, were created. Maybe Shoghi Effendi also is confused about the writings of Baha'u'llah.
  15. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    The 3 persons in one God have never been alone since they have each other. The actual quoted saying in Baha'u'llah's writings is, as in much of his writings, couched in indecipherable language which might not mean what it appears to say. You say it means that the creation has always existed...
  16. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Yes I understand it to mean that Christians are children of God through Jesus the Son of God. Sort of grandchildren of God and we are Jesus children. Isa 53:10 Yet yit was the will of the Lord to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his...
  17. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Jesus said that only God is good and Baha'is say that the Manifestations are good but not God.
  18. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    No neither the Bible nor the trinity teaching say that the Father became a man. The Father is in the Son because the Father is literally in the Son,,,,,,,,,,, just as the Son is literally in the Father. Christ is literally in Christians (through the Holy Spirit) and the Father is literally in...
  19. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    So here are some OT passages, and I don't care if the Jews translate them differently even if you do and want to say that the Christian translations are lying. Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called...
  20. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    The Bible knows nothing about any Baha'i Manifestations of God. Before God created anything there was only God. That is the same as "In the beginning there was only God". God was not created, just as John 1:3 and Col 1:15,16 also tell us that the Word was not created. God created all things...
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