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    How the Greek Conceptions of Logos can Elucidate John 1:1 Jesus as Logos

    Excellent, I shall look into these as well. I appreciate the guidance!
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    Jewish Shekhinah, Christian & Mormon Holy Spirit

    Yes. All excellent texts, I just re-read Patai's book this last month or so along with Eugene Seaich's "The Great Mystery of the Jerusalem Temple, the Embracing Cherubim and At-One-Ment with the Divine," which is a splendid updating of Patai's book only from a more Christian perspective as...
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    Jewish Shekhinah, Christian & Mormon Holy Spirit

    I am interested in all aspects of the divine consort theme, and yes I am quite familiar with Barker and lots of other academics who discuss this fascinating theme. Who else have you studied in this area? It would be fun to explore it further with you! Thanks for the heads up.
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    Theodicy -- Let's Dig Deeper

    Um, I think we are talking past each other here, sorry. I'm honestly not trying to trip you up, but to understand your view, so I will "know" your stance.....GRIN! You say the Bible is clear, not even bringing in the issue of which Bible, but I digress (not all of them are the same, and it is...
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    Theodicy -- Let's Dig Deeper

    Mankind has done this since the Bible was put together and probably before and have never come to an agreement, so shall we start a new thread where you show the "Christian" God from the Bible only? Remember one thing, Jesus isn't "Christian" but Jewish. His Christianization came later from his...
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    Theodicy -- Let's Dig Deeper

    So what would the understanding be of if not knowing something enough to understand it? An understanding is based upon a knowledge of something, else how is it understanding? Understanding what, nothing? If I understand an infinite amount of any branch of knowledge, then I have an infinite...
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    Theodicy -- Let's Dig Deeper

    If that were so, there could not possibly be all the denominations who all claim the Bible is clear, and yet they contradict and fight each other. I'm just sayin.... It appears to me that if the Bible is clear, there could not possibly be so many problems in various theologies about the...
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    Theodicy -- Let's Dig Deeper

    Everything in the Bible is theory of someone from ancient times. The Bible is not omniscient anymore than God is.... It is why the Jews never tried to settle issues as final using the Bible, especially using the Hebrew rather than translations (which removes one further away form the deep...
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    Theodicy -- Let's Dig Deeper

    OK, in understanding the Bible teaches God is infinite, i.e. omniscient in understanding. At least that was David's thinking. How he could possibly know that is another question, so I suspect he is really bragging about something he himself does not understand......
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    Theodicy -- Let's Dig Deeper

    Yes there is. Psalm 147:5. "Great is our Lord, and abundant in power, to his understanding there is no measure." The Hebrew is also translated as by my Schotterstein edition of the Psalms as "his understanding is beyond calculation." Some translations use say "his understanding is infinite."...
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    How important are facts within your religious beliefs?

    I don't see it that way. Beliefs are not just dominated by everything else except facts. I had many beliefs during my life which I used facts, as then understood, to keep my beliefs. When I get new and better facts, I change my beliefs, but they are still based on the new updated "facts" even...
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    How important are facts within your religious beliefs?

    I will gently disagree with this. Beliefs can certainly be based on facts, as presently known. It was believed for centuries that the earth stood still and the sun moved around it. All one had to do is watch it happen in reality with one's own eyes. That didn't make the belief true, but the...
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    Genesis 1:1 Bere****h bara... "In the Beginning"

    Yes, once we start looking at the wording it changes everything eh?
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    A question about the fate of Enoch, great-grandfather of Noah

    I would be interested in seeing the materials and your ideas on this. Could be interesting!
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    A question about the fate of Enoch, great-grandfather of Noah

    Yes, the two famous gents from Judaism, Enoch and Elijah who ascended bodily into heaven are an exception. That's interesting to see the contrast with the Greek theme, thanks for pointing me to that one. It isn't until we get to Rabbi Akiva and the Jews post 70 A.D. that we begin to hear about...
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    A question about the fate of Enoch, great-grandfather of Noah

    In several texts I have read and am reading, Enoch was transformed into Metatron (in 3 Hebrew Enoch especially) because this was the idea of the generation of the Divine Son. It is also the introduction to those so inclined to recognize there is a way to a greater life for mankind. Leonora...
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    Questions about Christianity and Mormonism

    Because after destroying all the others' scriptures and ideas, the Bible is what is left, and while it isn't perfect, its useful.... what else is there from that era?
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    Questions about Christianity and Mormonism

    The NT canon was never ratified by an ecumenical council in the early church, according to biblical scholar Bart Ehrman. Small and differing groups of synods of bishops met together and ratified different canons, and these have never been universally agreed upon, and isn't still in our day...
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    Questions about Christianity and Mormonism

    Who do you think assembled and wrote the Old Testament? You said Bible, so I am going with that. The New Testament is NOT "the Bible." It is a part of it. Lets stay clear.
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    Questions about Christianity and Mormonism

    Here you just have no historical ground whatever. It is the Jews who put together the larger majority of the Bible, the Old Testament. The New Testament canonization was a political process also, not a religious process. There is still debate over which books belong together as scripture, and...
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