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  1. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    That is exactly what I did. I just asked questions on what to me is odd and makes no sense. I just asked what Muslims do when a woman is known to have committed adultery? If I was a Muslim this would have been the answer to my question: I would not have accused my wife of adultery because...
  2. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    My only point was to find out how Muslims deal with such odd rules. Allah's punishment for adultery seem very harsh to me. Death by stoning or 100 lashes are also very disproportioned. Then, on the other hand, we have the requirement of 4 witnesses, etc. The punishment is too harsh but the...
  3. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    You totally missed the point. It is not hate against Muslims it is a question on a possible case that doesn't make sense under Allah's rules. As an agnostic in search of the real God can I question Allah as being the real God? Can a Muslim ask an Imam if something doesn't make sense? Is it...
  4. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    Wrong. I am not trolling Muslims I am trying to understand the logic behind Allah's rules on adultery. It seems to me that justice is never accomplished by following Allah's rules. The wife, in this case, committed "adultery" and Allah established penalties for this kind of crime. The husband by...
  5. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    This is the scenario: You get home and find your wife having sex with another man. You are the only witness. This would be a case of adultery according to Islam. A man and a woman having sex outside of marriage. The problem is that following strict Islamic rules adultery is very difficult to...
  6. Raymann

    ISIS Rears Its Head, Adding to Chaos as Turkey Battles Kurds

    I just watch his speech and he said there's still 50 US People over there and he intends to bring them back. Isn't it so hard to just report the facts as they are? Why making up stuff?
  7. Raymann

    ISIS Rears Its Head, Adding to Chaos as Turkey Battles Kurds

    That's the problem. You can never satisfy everybody. There's always somebody ready to complain one way or the other. If Americans (or westerners) intervene to help the attacked, then the complaint is: America mind your own business and stay out of our lands. If they leave the complaint is...
  8. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    What facts I have wrong? Being agnostic only means God hasn't been proven to me. I grew up Catholic so I know all about religions. I have an opinion because most people on this planet are religious whether I like it or not.
  9. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    How many times you're going to ask the same question? You already know my answer or you should at this point.
  10. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    Why? I never heard it any other way. In the world that I live in, I think most westerners believe Muhammad received the revelations in the cave. Thousands or millions of people visit the cave in Mecca every year. To me, it is a total surprise that there are people who do not believe that is not...
  11. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    I explained it at least 10 times, just look at any of those responses, they are all the same response. Do you believe he was not in the cave? What do you believe?
  12. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    Yes
  13. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    I challenged Muslims using arguments based on their own sacred books and they have found no real reasons to persuade me I'm wrong. The facts stand. According to the Quran and a Hadith Angel Gabriel never introduced himself nor he introduced the God he was talking about. Kadijah's cousin Warhaka...
  14. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    Raymann said: ↑ None of them (Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, Saul) are part of this discussion. We are challenging Muhammad on this thread. Not at all. If I was a Christian you could say that but I am an agnostic so how I am hypocritical? I don't believe they were real prophets either.
  15. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    And I am questioning your belief in the hadith? You seem surprised I believe in it. Why? There's gotta be a reason. I already explained about ten times that I believe in it because of the overwhelming general consensus. Meaning that I haven't seen any writings claiming that is not authentic or...
  16. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    A belief by definition is an act of faith, you cannot prove it one way or the other. You just use common sense, logic or any other way you consider appropriate to determine if you trust it or not. Are you ready to answer why you don't trust the Hadith in question? Any reasons or just don't like...
  17. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    The difference is that the Bible doesn't presume it is the direct word of God. It is, for the most part, a collection of historical facts. The Quran, on the other hand, is said to be the word of Allah and only one man claims to have received its words without any witnesses nor any way that can...
  18. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    I do understand whether you believe it or not. Don't need to be a genius to figure out the distance between Shias and Sunnies. They kill each other sometimes just because they are on the other side of the fence. How about answering the questions you are asked? Is it difficult to answer when your...
  19. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    Obviously not, I don't believe Allah exists. The whole point of this thread is believing something that no Muslims believe. All Muslims believe in Allah and its messenger and I don't. What we have in common is that we share the same information and scriptures. I have to read the Quran and some...
  20. Raymann

    Did Muhammad authored the Quran?

    Well I think you're exaggerating a bit here, I don't believe in this hadith fiercely, I always use the general consensus as a strong indicator to figure out the logical path to the truth. That hadith is found in the collection of Sahih Bukhari who according to my research is one of the two most...
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