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  1. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    I never said it wasn't, I take your word for it, I just repeated the hadith accurately. None of those explanations are nearly as good as the following hadith which is DIRECTLY FROM PROPHET MUHAMMAD. (not an Imam or a scholar) Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know...
  2. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    I think you misunderstood my last post. I didn't make any claims, I just explained a verse from the Quran using the prophet Muhammad's explanation. I didn't claim the sun stops every 24 hours or that Allah gives permission to the sun to rise every day. That is what Islam claims. That is what we...
  3. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    After some reading, the answer is here: Prophet Muhammad provides the answer. Here is part of the hadith: "So it (the Sun) will rise from its place of setting and that is what Allah, may He be Glorified, refers to in the verse: ‘And the sun runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The...
  4. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    Sounds very prophetic, deep and mysterious to me but I think I was looking more into the earthly kind of meaning since Muhammad was a human. As an agnostic, my purpose is to uncover the true religion and God. The following quote are the words of Muhammad so I suppose he was talking about what...
  5. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    From the Thinking Muslim: Hadith Explained: "The Sun Prostrates Under the Throne and Takes Permission to Rise Again" - The Thinking Muslim It is reported by Al-Bukhari from Abu Dharr that once the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) asked him after sunset, “Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of...
  6. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    SAHIH INTERNATIONAL 38 verses 36, 37, 38, 39 and 40 Exalted is He who created all pairs - from what the earth grows and from themselves and from that which they do not know. And a sign for them is the night. We remove from it [the light of] day, so they are in darkness. "And the sun runs [on...
  7. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    SAHIH INTERNATIONAL "And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing" I thought Muslims would have had an easy explanation for the meaning of this verse. I was wrong. Nadir Ahmed (a Muslim apologist) who claims there are no...
  8. Raymann

    Objective Morals. Are they any better?

    Raymann said: ↑ I can see the sun and I can feel it too You're saying we are seeing the sun with an 8-minute delay, fine, we are still seeing it. It is a time and space issue that in no way tells us the sun never existed. I have no problem accepting the 8-minute delay. Who cares if every time...
  9. Raymann

    Objective Morals. Are they any better?

    There are many definitions of objectivity but they all mean the same, here is one of them: Objectivity Judgment based on observable phenomena and uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices I can see the sun and I can feel it too, it would make no sense for me to deny its existence. I...
  10. Raymann

    Objective Morals. Are they any better?

    Yes, you are right, I fail to see how God can be an objective concept. How can God be an objective concept? Even the most fanatic religious person cannot prove God exists, therefore, it is still a belief based on faith. A belief based on faith is a subjective belief and therefore God should...
  11. Raymann

    Objective Morals. Are they any better?

    Who said it is fundamentally different from all other kinds of man-made ideologies? Do you have any idea how many Gods has man created throughout history? Most every other ancient civilization created their own Gods. It would appear that every time man has no answers a God has to be created to...
  12. Raymann

    Objective Morals. Are they any better?

    Raymann said: ↑ Personally, I find it ridiculous when a religious person defends their morals as being the better ones. Secular is a form of government that works without the influence of religions. Some people use the word secular as a synonym of non-believer. (not religious). So what are...
  13. Raymann

    Objective Morals. Are they any better?

    Sorry, I'm always under the assumption that everybody understands better when I am simplistic rather than too complicated. Here is an interesting definition I liked: Definition of Objective and Subjective Objective is a statement that is completely unbiased. It is not touched by the speaker’s...
  14. Raymann

    Objective Morals. Are they any better?

    Personally, I find it ridiculous when a religious person defends their morals as being the better ones. The main argument a religious person uses to defend this claim is that their morals come from God. I don't quite understand why a moral coming from God is called "Objective". Maybe because in...
  15. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    Are we talking about an adultery accusation here? Repeating his accusation 4 times instead of providing 4 witnesses in an adultery case is a pretty significant difference. That would change what Muslims have believed for 1400 years. I would need confirmation from Muslims that in an adultery case...
  16. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    I read it many times but I can't find the hadith right now. Raymann said: ↑ Not only that, they have to have seen the actual penetration. It doesn't say that, now you're making up s*****. Here is an explanation by Khaled Abou El Fadl Here is an excerpt from the article: The second way...
  17. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    Raymann said: ↑ Zina is the word used and it involves adultery, fornication and any kind of sexual activity outside of marriage. That's exactly what I said. Read it again. Maybe I should rephrase it for you. What I said is exactly what you showed in the definitions. We agree with the...
  18. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    That's the point, at least 4 witnesses are required. Not only that, they have to be men. Not only that, they need to be of upright character (sinless) Not only that, they have to have seen the actual penetration. Basically Allah makes it impossible to prosecute an adulterer but Allah, on the...
  19. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    My definition of adultery is sex with at least one person being married. But in the Islamic world that is not the right definition. Zina is the word used and it involves adultery, fornication and any kind of sexual activity outside of marriage. That's why I defined it the Islamic way, in short...
  20. Raymann

    What would a Muslim do?

    "And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own― their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that they are solemnly telling the truth; And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they...
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