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  1. Raymann

    What is the real meaning of Quran 9:29?

    See, "context" is often an EXCUSE to soften the real meaning and give the text the so-called "scholar" desired meaning. The verse is very bold and clear, no need for further interpretation unless some people don't like the meaning. Let's agree that for most of the Quran the theme is "fight only...
  2. Raymann

    What is the real meaning of Quran 9:29?

    I think the real idea is to understand what Allah (God) meant to say and stay away from the many human interpretations as possible. The problem: If we take the Quran purely as it was written then there's a good chance we would be in an endless war and Muslims don't want that and nobody wants that.
  3. Raymann

    What is the real meaning of Quran 9:29?

    Thanks for the video. It is the most common interpretation by scholars that this verse applies to the time of the Tabuk expedition but I do not believe it should be restricted only to this time as the verse itself doesn't mention any restriction.
  4. Raymann

    What is the real meaning of Quran 9:29?

    That is why I quoted a Tafsir (interpretation) of the verse from one of the most respected Islamic scholars. This is not the verse alone but it is the interpretation and notice (as I said) it is not linked to any battle nor it implies it can only be used during a war nor can be used at one...
  5. Raymann

    What is the real meaning of Quran 9:29?

    9.29 "Jalal - Al-Jalalayn Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, for, otherwise, they would have believed in the Prophet (s), and who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, such as wine, nor do they practise the religion of truth, the firm one, the one that...
  6. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    Thank you for your input. I rest my case.
  7. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    And that is incorrect. That is wrong. That is not what the verse meant. There is only one interpretation, not two nor three. The only possible interpretation is the one explained by prophet Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad was the one who received the revelation and we have to assume he is the only...
  8. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    ↑Raymann said On the other hand, if I see a sunset and interpret that what is happening is the earth rotating, and at some point, we can no longer see the sun. THAT IS NOT AN ILLUSION. No, it hasn't been your point This has been your point all along. Do you see your confusion? Illusion =...
  9. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    Wrong again. Following your own definition. It is an illusion ONLY IF YOU MISINTERPRET WHAT YOU SEE. If you think sunset is the sun rotating around planet earth and settling somewhere out of our sight then THAT IS AN ILLUSION. On the other hand, if I see a sunset and interpret that what is...
  10. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    No, I'm not saying Allah didn't know that the earth rotates. I'm saying that the prophet Muhammad made scientifically wrong statements and claimed those statements came directly from Allah. So was Muhammad lying all along? Allah couldn't have made those mistakes. God cannot make that kind of...
  11. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    So what happens when the LAW of the country allows the killing of apostates, gay people, and adultery accused people? All under some Muslim interpretation of the Quran. That is happening in many Muslim countries right now. I guess is an endless discussion. The peaceful majority claiming that is...
  12. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    I understand why you think it is an optical illusion, but my point was that it is not an optical illusion to me (and I am standing on earth) because I know the science behind it. I know how the solar system works therefore I would never ask the question: Where does the sun go after sunset? You...
  13. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    I respect your position but then using the same logic I should respect ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al Qaida. Muslims do not want to be associated with the belief of terrorist groups but that is a double standard. Why should we believe it is alright to accept your interpretation and not the terrorist...
  14. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    No worries, thanks.
  15. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    No sir, the sunset is not an illusion, we see it every night. The explanation for why it happens is what it is wrong. We all understand how the solar system works today. The problem is that the one who asked the question didn't know what we all know today. To make matters worst the one who...
  16. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    You are clearly misinterpreting the hadith. The hadith begins with the following question: "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" It is talking about the time of sunset. Sunset happens every 24 hours not every 1 year. That's why it is not necessary to say "24-hour cycle", we...
  17. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    My interpretation is partially from this Hadith. How do you interpret that? Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself...
  18. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    Somehow I think you do disagree with some of the contents of the Hadith but no one but you can pinpoint what is it that you don't agree with. So my questions are: Do Shias in general accept or deny that Allah gives permission to the sun to rise again every day? Do you consider this permission a...
  19. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    Do you agree with the content of this hadith? Do you really think that Allah is using metaphors? I think you are running around the bush and you're losing credibility by doing so. Let's go back to the main question. According to Prophet Muhammad (Sahih Bukhari) without any use of metaphors...
  20. Raymann

    Quran 36 v 38

    You need to improve your comprehension skills. I'm not trying to invalidate anything I was just asking for the real meaning of Quran 36 v 38 and so far I got the best possible response from (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Hadith 421). You can read my interpretation on comment #21. Do you...
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