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  1. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    All of Israel is illegal land confiscation? Is that what you meant to say? You are back to saying that the Jewish people have no rights to national self-determination. There are no 1967 borders. No such thing exists in law. There are 1949 armistice lines. The treaty that demarks these...
  2. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    Gharib, a few posts above you said: "If Jews had instead opted to live under an already established Palestinian state while fleeing persecution by Nazis rather than force their way into Palestine and oppress it's people, engage in ethnic cleansing and becoming an apartheid state, Muslims...
  3. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    IOW, if Jews would just give up this silly idea of having their own self-determination ... then Muslims wouldn't hate them and try to kill them so much.
  4. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    You did not answer my question. My question was: What would happen if Gaza started building houses and hospitals and water infrastructure instead of tunnels? My second question was why Gazans don't already do this. In other words, what attitudes do the Gazan people hold which lead them to...
  5. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    You didn't answer my question. Here's another one: Why are Gazan's building bunkers and tunnels instead of houses and schools and water infrastructure?
  6. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    Let's do a little thought experiment. Let's say that tomorrow the Gazan people decided that they didn't want to attack Israel anymore. Let's say they fully accepted Israel's right to exist in peace. Let's say they no longer used concrete to build bunkers and tunnels and instead built houses...
  7. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    1. There is no prison. There is a self-governing semi-national political entity. Citizens of a country do not have the right to enter a foreign country without the permission of the country they wish to enter. Gaza is no more a prison than Canada is. Unless you want to argue that Gaza is...
  8. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    If that was what the Palestinians wanted the Oslo Accords and the Gaza withdrawal would have solved the conflict. It didn't. Why?
  9. Shusha

    LOL.

    LOL.
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  10. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    What do you mean by "stopping illegal settlements"? No more new settlements? No more new housing units in existing settlements? Emptying the settlements of Jews and cleansing them all back to Israel? What areas do you refer to when you speak of settlements? All of Area C? Just some parts...
  11. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    Isn't the OP saying rather the opposite? The Palestinian people don't want an agreement, and the powers that be are forced to bow to that.
  12. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    I don't come to that conclusion. Rather, I would say that Palestinians want political and religious control over the entire territory. They most certainly want some measure of ethnic cleansing. They are willing to use violence to achieve that goal because they believe they are morally...
  13. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    I disagree. The only thing that is giving Israel even a hint of hesitation about a two state solution is security concerns. Israel would sign an end of conflict agreement and recognize Palestine in a heartbeat IF the Palestinian attitudes changed enough to allow that. Why would Israel not?
  14. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    Interesting that you choose to condemn one poster for "idolizing" Israel (even though the post is factual), but fail to condemn another poster for demonizing Israel (even though that post was not so factual).
  15. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    Gharib, Your "facts" are not facts, but simply expressions of the attitudes we are discussing on this thread. Actually, very insightful confirmations of the attitudes in the OP essay. The first is the attitude that there is such a thing, in reality, as "Palestinian land". There is not...
  16. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    Of course, its relevant to this thread. The whole point of this thread is to discuss what Palestinians want. Palestinians BEGIN with the idea that there is NO Jewish connection to the territory and that there is NO Jewish right to a homeland. That is the foundation of the entire conflict...
  17. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    Oh. I love it when people who barely know me make assumptions about me. /sarcasm.
  18. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    I'm fairly well read on the subject. I might take a look at that book. Meantime, care to discuss? Why do you think the concept of a Jewish homeland is inherently oppressive? Is the concept of a German homeland inherently oppressive? A Catalan homeland? A First Nations homeland? A...
  19. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    There is nothing inherently oppressive about a Jewish homeland. The oppression was imagined FIRST (see #'s 1 and 2). Whether or not oppression exists today is discussable, but if it exists, it is the result of conflict, and not the cause of the conflict. Edited to add: this doesn't justify...
  20. Shusha

    What Do Palestinians Want?

    What Israel and, generally, the rest of the world believes about "solutions" to the conflict will not resolve the conflict. Its not about what we think it is about.
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