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  1. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    First off, of the things that you have mentioned are in the Bible, you neglected to give the context for any of those things; whether they were spoken against, whether they were good or bad from some opinion other than your own, and if they were allowed, what were the conditions involved. You...
  2. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    Sorry, you'll get no agreement with me on that. The federal government is restricted to what the constitution says its powers are. That should eliminate socialism on the federal level. The states can certainly entertain socialist ideas within their boundaries, which if they do, they can watch...
  3. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I am in favor of a free market being allowed to establish what the market will bear. I hold this opinion while being unemployed. I was dismissed from Lipton Tea Company for not talking to a female during my break. She wanted to talk and I wanted to read my book... she complained that I was...
  4. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    Are you suggesting that we can't have good laws without socialism? There are legitimate functions of government which should be judiciously divided between the federal government and the various states. Most of what you mentioned should be under the auspices of state governments with the...
  5. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    You are insisting on definitions and I am insisting on what is. You mentioned the fact that governments can evolve. I say that they do evolve and that a population having been sold a bill of goods concerning the "definition" of socialism (which is non-voluntary even in its basic definition)...
  6. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    In the definition you provided, the inherent lie concerning socialism is that it is owned or regulated by the community as a whole. The key word there is "community" and that is the lie. Whoever wrote that definition was being very clever because in every socialist experiment, it is the...
  7. ether-ore

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    I believe Paul was an Apostle and one of the twelve. He was not of the original twelve and he wasn't the one who replaced Judas Iscariot. The LDS perspective is that the First Presidency was organized with Peter as the Prophet and James and John as his counselors. This action created three...
  8. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    Socialism as advertized in a dictionary will never be a reality because there is no freedom in it. People wanting to be free will always pose a problem for the people in power (the overseers) who will in turn have to become stricter and stricter until freedom is entirely gone and you have a...
  9. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I reconcile it by noting that it was a hybrid, i.e. national socialist. You have decided that they were something other than what they themselves identified themselves as being because it fits with your narrative and your revisionist history perspective. I am able to see socialism in that...
  10. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I don't believe it unlikely that they scouted the store before going in there. The baker may have figured out what the cake would be for, but since he isn't putting the identifying makers on it, it doesn't matter. It is after all about not violating one's conscience. He can truthfully say he...
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    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Simplelogic made a valid point concerning the Torah when he said "The Torah is comprehensive. Its not a pick and choose law with different dividing sections in it." Likewise with all of scripture. I think what most Christians don't seem to understand is that all of scripture, both Old and New...
  12. ether-ore

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Agreed, Under the Mosaic paradigm it was not pick and choose, From a Christian perspective however, the outward performances are considered superseded by the atonement of Jesus Christ. The references Paul was making with regard to circumcision came about as a consequence there being a...
  13. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I bow to your expert knowledge on what constitutes an emergency for an abortion. The life of the mother should certainly be protected.
  14. ether-ore

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    I think it is a matter of interpretation with reference to what works we are talking about. With the reference of Romans 3:20; that chapter begins in verse 1 with "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?" So, the work we are talking about is circumcision. In...
  15. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    Good question. My guess is that would be a judgment call for the doctor, though I'm not certain under what circumstances an abortion would be an emergency. I personally do not think any hospital administration would turn away an emergency, especially if the doctor making the call was ok with...
  16. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I had two cats. My wife and I were sitting a the front porch and this stray orange cat came up and started rubbing on my leg. I went in the house and opened a can of fish for her and she adopted us... or we adopted her... I'm not sure which. We discovered that Peaches (that's what we named...
  17. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I can empathize about the kitten, I'm a cat lover myself. My wife was very much involved in animal rescue.
  18. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    What you are saying to me is that my basis for believing the moral code that I have is not legitimate and therefore I should shut up. And you with your subjective basis for your very liberal (anything goes) "moral" code should be allowed to make all of the rules. Sorry, but I do not and will...
  19. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    Going through the list of things written in it, I find most things I could agree with, but the problem I have with it is that I see no need for the US to be a part of any world government. I wish to maintain a republic within our borders and not be involved in foreign intrigue. The...
  20. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I would rather say that Christianity's issue is with greed, not capitalism per se. I take it you are attempting to equate capitalism with greed. To me that is the same as saying that the root of all evil is 'money' itself, rather than the 'love of money' which is what it really says. There...
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