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  1. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    You are side stepping what I said. What motivates my morality is not the issue, that I have ia moral point of view and am allowed to participate in the public discourse is. Are you trying to imply that because my morality is motivated by religious conviction, that I should be barred from...
  2. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I agree with you up to a point. But there are issues of morality which I believe it to be legitimate for people of faith to speak out on. However, the religious organization is one thing, a religious individual is another. Is it your desire to remove all religious based morality speech from...
  3. ether-ore

    Former Vatican Ambassador tried for child porn/sexual abuse

    You are still making it about the Vatican and the Catholic church rather than the individual on whom the indictment rests. But the fact of the matter is that the Vatican is a country all its own and it is no different than our moral outrage over human rights violations from any other nation...
  4. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    That was a very good recitation of revisionist history.
  5. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I assume the passage you are referring to is Matthew 19:21: "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." The thing you are overlooking is that there was no implicit threat on the...
  6. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I don't deny that Christianity is the dominant faith in the US and that quite naturally, as a consequence, laws are made which conform to the Judeo-Christian ethic. The people who founded this country were mostly if not all Christian who came here to find religious freedom. For the most part...
  7. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I absolutely agree that socialism is running rampant in our culture. But you are preaching to the choir in talking about home owners associations and their propensity to behave like a socialist dictatorship. I was under one of those once and I understand that the claim is that they want to...
  8. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I'm assuming you are basing that remark on the New Testament passages which talk about the members of the church 'having all things in common'? The fundamental difference between socialism and the united order under the law of consecration is that involvement in the united order is voluntary...
  9. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    You're kidding, right? We have here in the US a welfare state with redistribution of wealth and socialized medicine. With the open border policy, illegal immigrants have access to the welfare system without being citizens. The federal government's being involved in welfare at all is contrary...
  10. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    You want me to look up a sterile dictionary term when what is practiced in reality is entirely something else? Socialism in practice has everything to do with the loss of freedom because it is about gaining power through the establishment of a welfare state. People see some short term benefit...
  11. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    It is only lack of vision in terms of my agreeing with your point of view.
  12. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    Yeah... ok... just sit back and watch freedom disappear.
  13. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I know the definitions. But I disagree that they are not inherently related. They invariably seem to go hand in hand. For socialism to establish itself, it must do away with the competition; which is any concept of religious morality... enter atheism. Your definition for secularism (which is...
  14. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    So now you are going to pull out the race card? I have not been talking about race at all, much less racial purity. Eugenics is not something I would ever endorse. I'll leave that to the socialists... like the National Socialist Party (NAZIS). To my mind, that kind of thinking goes against...
  15. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    Agreed, it is losing ground. Except that I think it indicative of a loss of freedom in favor of socialism. I'm sure you would be against slavery on a theoretical basis, but at the same time, you seem to be saying that you are in favor of forcing someone to perform a service against their will...
  16. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I recognize there is little or no way to pursued you. I just find it interesting that all the confusion about what sex a person is didn't occur until recently in history. I mean the per capita numbers of people who think they are something different that what they were born as. With all the...
  17. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    All you have done here is validate what I said. Of course (as I said) you believe your position to be true just as I believe mine to be and of course voting makes no difference as far as objectivity is concerned. You may think you have an objective frame of reference, but it is in actuality...
  18. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    That's fine as a basis, but it is still subjective and no better than the subjective basis you believe me to have. I realize that you believe your basis to be superior. You wouldn't hold it if you didn't. But objectively speaking, or should I say, without an objective reference, how do you...
  19. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    I noticed 'Shadow Wolf' made a comment about tolerance. Tolerance is one thing, endorsement is another. Homosexuality is tolerated because it will exist regardless of wishful thinking to the contrary. I'm on dialysis and my nurse happens to be a lesbian. I don't think she knows that I know...
  20. ether-ore

    "Religious Liberty" ?

    You keep talking about duty and a social contract without having established a basis for either. Whether or not you agree, people of faith have a basis for their duty. It lies in their duty to God. The only thing that is in competition with that are the arbitrary and subjective beliefs of...
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