Michael i think that scripture indicates that he took the punishment for all sin, every single person on this earth, but he saved only those who put their faith in him. So its actually both?
PS: Richard PM me if you need advice on how to do that quote 'thang' Im free (but im not easy)
Richard, ok....so ya think that god created earth and mixed glass inbetween our puppy food.
I think the analogy is sweet. However puppy's are not in the same food chain as us. The glass could be...
Thanks for an interesting thread. I think one would have to have evidence that at the time of jesus's birth galilee was in the region of isreal. I know it all shifted, but i think the general consensus is that it was in judea.
In any case if galilee was in isreal at that time and not in judea...
Well should haves is dead and buried. You are here and you are already created and people are suffering. Should have's dont matter now, only what god can now possibly do to get rid of suffering.
The question as far as i understand is not did god screw up and now we are suffering because of it...
I'm afraid your argument falls flat. I know he said that his father was his god while on earth. I have been saying that all along, have you been reading MY posts.
Are you going to think everything i post is because you said it and im refuting it, is there any point where you read the post in...
I think your are acting contrary to your standards of not pushing a thread awy from the topic. High standards.....indeed.:bonk:
(dont blame me for your inperfections ok. Try this:fishing: for relaxation and mental support)
Hmmm.....well it seems like you are saying to eliminate the current suffering god would have to recreate. And that would mean all that currently is, must be undone. That means you and me too.
Thanks for the text you provided.
Dont worry, im not trying to make your 'moon' to be more that it is. But in the same way, i wouldnt want you to hide stuff about it, i mean if the moon is just a dead symbol with absolutely no other signicance than to identify one group of people then that...
Fumbling over words sojourner. I didnt say that the HS needed doctrine. He is the correct doctrine. Because he is god.
You like to nit pick dont ya?
Just watch out for the camel. :giraffe: (closest i could get)
God is all powerful! Yes
Therefore god can remove all suffering. Yes
So then for him to do that what must he do:
Remove all people that have ever said anything nasty to anybody.
Remove all peple that have ever done anything nasty to anybody
Remove all people that have ever polluted the...
I would be the first to say that studying other people's notes on the bible could be usefull. But again, there is no gaurentee that any man has the correct doctrine. The only person in my opinion that has the correct doctrine is the spirit of god, the HS. I dont get it right always, but he does...
Ok i understand that you feel that the symbol must not be taken for more than it is. But im curious why the ottomon empire would choose the symbol of the moon in the first place.
Christian have a symbol the cross. It has deep spiritual meaning, and yet the muslims have the moon as a symbol...
Have heard of calvanism, havent studied it in depth and as far as transbustantiation is concerned its a catholic doctrine. Um...dont believe in that either.
So do you think as a gnostic man, that paul had it together?
Is the only reason the moon is prominent in the religion due to the moon's link to the islamic calendar or is there deper spiritual meaning to the moon?
Are there any mosques that dont have the moon as a symbol?