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  1. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    OK, then perhaps we will come back to it, if it becomes necessary. Thanks. So I think the answer to this question will help me decide the truth about what you propose forgiveness is: We described hatred as having feelings of ill will for a person and desiring to harm a person. Would you say...
  2. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Or maybe it's unnecessary to make up my mind about Maara. Perhaps I can understand forgiveness even if I have not yet made such a decision about the Maara concept? If so, then I'm willing to save some time and discuss Maara later. But if you think I'll never understand forgiveness without...
  3. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    The concept raises the possibility that simpler explanations of a phenomenon might be closer to the truth than more complex ones, though this is not necessarily the case. It seems to me that people learn to feel hate when they are the victims of hateful actions, and this is to me a simpler...
  4. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Perhaps this is a better link: https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
  5. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Are you familiar with the concept of Occam's Razo?
  6. Spockrates

    Wondering About Different Religions

    Yes, but do they teach what forgiveness between men is? Exactly what things must one think, say or do to forgive? That's the question for which I'm seeking an answer in the other discussion thread.
  7. Spockrates

    Wondering About Different Religions

    Thanks for the advice, pops.
  8. Spockrates

    Wondering About Different Religions

    Currently I'm wondering what different religions teach about forgiveness and how to forgive: http://www.religiousforums.com/index.php?threads/Wondering-About-Forgiveness.186334/
  9. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Good point! I'd add that if it benefits others, it's in some aspects unselfish. Did you mean not spreading around the actions hatred produces? Remember what we determined about hatred, earlier: It's a thought one has, not an action one takes. It's the cause, not the effect. So one might spread...
  10. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Yes, but I still wonder if the thoughts you describe are all forgiveness is. One reason why I wonder is the question I raised in the previous post: Why must forgiveness be the one and only virtue that causes no action to benefit others besides myself? Another reason why is this question I ask...
  11. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Thanks. I'll give it a careful read and let you know what I think later.
  12. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    I guess what is causing doubts is this: The virtues and vices we've considered thus far have these traits in common: 1. They have a virtuous or vice-full thought in the one thinking them. 2. These virtuous or vice-full thoughts cause some virtuous or vice-full action, which effects a person...
  13. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    What do you mean by the words, "clarity of mind"? (Ironically the meaning you intend is unclear to me!)
  14. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    The fault is mine for not comprehending you. I'm afraid I'm showing my ignorance. Thanks for trying to explain. Maybe someone else will help me take the baby steps necessary for me to finally understand you.
  15. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Thanks. I'm asking not to pigeonhole you, but to see if it would be appropriate to use an example from scripture. I'm sure you are familiar with Jesus' parable of the man who was forgiven a debt by a king. The man then refused to do the same for one who owed him money and had that person thrown...
  16. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    I was not born knowing how to walk, my friend. I had to learn that from my parents. Same with riding a bike and driving a car. I didn't always know how to do those, either. In fact, my mother in law doesn't know how to drive, still. But I was born knowing how to breath, I suppose. Do you think...
  17. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    You said forgiveness is overlooking errors. I'm wondering if you mean this is something you think, or something you do. Also, did you say you were a Christian?
  18. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Yes, well done! Is this merely an internal overlooking, or sometimes also an external one?
  19. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    So when you say there are somethings I don't have to learn, because I just know them, and I cannot think of one such thing and ask for an example, you reply, "This is an example." Since I don't know what that means, I have to say you are mistaken. How can what I don't know be en example of...
  20. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Please give an example. That is my hope! I don't understand. Are you saying suffering prevents a person from knowing how to forgive? Well, I guess I am confused, then. But hopefully my becoming part of this virtual world with people like you will help me understand. [emoji4]
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