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  1. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    To fulfill all righteousness. If you're going to ask me what that means, I cannot give you a certain answer.
  2. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    If I may, and of course Nova2216 will give his thoughts. There are no verses in the Bible that connect Jesus's baptism with anyone else's. No one in the Bible said get baptized because Jesus got baptized. Our baptisms are related to remission of sins Acts 2:38, and Jesus did not have any sin.
  3. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    John will give you one dollar, but I'll give you one million dollars. Of course that's just an analogy. :(, lol.
  4. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    out to be enough for even the most tradition bound, stubborn, recalcitrant Christian to give up I appreciate your good vocabulary, lol. Did you get the part where I said the word "washings" in Hebrews 9:10 is the Greek word "baptismos?" It specifically says "divers" washings. That means there...
  5. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    This is most evident in the events leading up to and including the council in Jerusalem in Acts 15. The issues brought up what about the Gentiles following circumcision and the Mosaic law. Those were the concerns in the transition, there was no concern brought up about baptism. You seem to...
  6. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    An accusation that is not supported by scripture. Please show the scriptures that actually say that baptism in water in Jesus's name (not John's baptism) is a shadow of baptism with the Holy Spirit and where the apostles taught that "baptism with the Holy Spirit" saves.
  7. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Again, you are inferring. You talked about adding to Romans 10:9, you are seriously adding to Hebrews, things that it does not say itself. You are filling in gaps where you have not the authority. Actually you are creating gaps where there are none and then filling them in. Proof in your words...
  8. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    There's nothing here that addresses baptism in water in Jesus name. You have to infer to make any sort of connection. That is the "by grace alone, through faith alone" playbook, not the text of scripture.
  9. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Abraham could not have been under the law, as the law did not exist in his lifetime.
  10. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    YoursTrue, A question for you. What are the verses that explicitly state the purpose for baptism in Jesus's name? And what are those explicitly stated purposes? Please spare me the commentary, just the verses and what is written in them. Thank you.
  11. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    If you mean died before Jesus was on earth, then the verse applies Hebrews 11:39-40 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, [40] since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. Baptism in...
  12. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    I agree with Nova2216. Before one is saved, they are lost Romans 3:23. Believe and baptism in Jesus is to be saved from this lost state. One final fate will be left up to God, but we're not going to judgement day blind, God gives us his word so that we can go there with confidence. All we can...
  13. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Not necessarily. Just the things in Acts that disagree with the "by grace alone, through alone" paradigm.
  14. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    I've already addressed the transition book argument fallacy. You went right back to that argument without justifying its faults. I agree that God got Romans 10:9 right. It does not need any modification by the evangelical church. So stop trying to "add" the exclusivity, where none is stated...
  15. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Baptism is mentioned in Paul's own story after he had believed and confessed with his mouth the Lord Jesus, then he was baptized. Acts 22:8, 10, 16.
  16. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Rrobs, I believe it is the "by grace alone' through faith alone" group who has added to Romans 10:9, by adding the exclusive element, for which there are no words in the verse. How could Paul be prescribing a "That's it, and that's all" meaning to Romans 10:9 when it did not even apply to...
  17. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    I will go over this. And you also address the verses that I put in there or this will be my last post on this matter.
  18. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    I've addressed Ephesians 1-4 and Romans 4:17 in my previous couple of posts. Please re-read.
  19. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    That's theorizing, and you can't (accurately) build a doctrine on theorizing. You need an explicit verse to conform that. And then there are verses like 1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a CHOSEN RACE, A royal priesthood, A holy NATION, a PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the...
  20. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    rrobs, You're equating chosen with being saved already. That's an assumption, not an established fact. That could easily mean that He chose them to be saved, not saved them already. You would need an explicit scripture to say they were saved at that time, or forgiven, or atoned for, etc. before...
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