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  1. e.r.m.

    Paul Saved on the road?

    The Bible never says symbolism is the purpose to get baptized in Jesus's name.
  2. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Yes sir, you do misunderstand. I agree with the text of these verses, not with the evangelical commentary on these verses. Acts 15:11, But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Grace is not a seperate entity, grace is an attribute of...
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    I wish I could comment on the posts that he addresses to you, but my time is limited. You're...

    I wish I could comment on the posts that he addresses to you, but my time is limited. You're doing well. I would say "the Bible never says that baptism with the Holy Spirit superseded baptism in water (that was "your" conclusion)", and I would ask him if he's read the scriptures (and cite them)...
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    I'm not a Mormon, God forbid. I am a member of the International Churches of Christ (ICOC). Not...

    I'm not a Mormon, God forbid. I am a member of the International Churches of Christ (ICOC). Not the International Christian Church (ICC). If you belong to the Mainline COC, we may have some subtle differences, but nothing significant in my mind. I am happy for us to work alongside each other. I...
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    Ty. It's good to have company also. I'm trying to get across the difference between their...

    Ty. It's good to have company also. I'm trying to get across the difference between their paradigm & the scriptures. My hope is for them to see that what they are led by is a sort of invisible manual "alongside" the scriptures & separate the two. To show that the scriptures have their own...
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  6. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    All Matt 3:11 said is that Jesus would, and so He did Acts 2:2-4, and Acts 10, the only times "Baptism with the Holy Spirit" was mentioned. Acts 1:5 even said it would happen not many days hence, and so it did Acts 2:2-4. Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not baptism in Jesus's name, because it's...
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    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Having faith in Jesus/being baptized in Jesus's name does not mean that Jesus's completed work was not enough, because His completed work was His part, and placing our faith in Him/being baptized in His name is our part. It is exactly the same. So basically, Peter, to whom Jesus gave the keys to...
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    Supersessionism and beyond - Can Christianity meaningfully address religious pluralism?

    You're using this topic to bringing up a different topic, and this is not anti-semetic. Acts 4:12 John 14:6, Acts 2:39 salvation is through Jesus. This applies to all, not to any one group. There were no Christians who persecuted anyone.
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    Supersessionism and beyond - Can Christianity meaningfully address religious pluralism?

    How is speaking against persecuting Jews anti-semetic?
  10. e.r.m.

    Supersessionism and beyond - Can Christianity meaningfully address religious pluralism?

    That's why I said "in this endeavor". I was specifically referring to the persecution of the Jews. On that issue they were not following Jesus or the Bible.
  11. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Correct, I am not suggesting that. It doesn't say Cornelius and company had the Holy Spirit dwelling within at that moment, it said the spirit came 'on'. Another example of the Spirit came 'on' is 1 Samuel 19:19-24.
  12. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    The emotion you are sensing is the exhaustion of having to explain this ad nauseam. It is rightly dividing scriptures and it is "exactly" like saying one does not need faith. You don't compare man's response, faith/baptism, etc. vs. the blood of Christ. Both the blood of Christ (God's part) and...
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    Supersessionism and beyond - Can Christianity meaningfully address religious pluralism?

    More like, they have restored their doctrines back to the Bible. In the Bible the Christians did not persecute the Jews. Those throughout the centuries who did persecute the Jews may have touted Christ's name in this endeavour, but they certainly were not following Him.
  14. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    The "by grace alone, through faith alone" community thrives on play on words (I'm not saying all of them, but enough to make it a pattern for the movement). Again, God's part and our part. When did we EVER say we are not washed by the blood of Jesus? Who EVER said (in the Bible), that the act...
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    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Then the "completeness" of Christ's work is misleading. He only "completed" His part. God still expects our response to his "complete" work, which the "completeness" doesn't cover. The completeness doesn't therefore apply to baptism, because it's part of that response God expects of us. That...
  16. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Do you then believe that man has no part in being saved? That faith and repentance come only after being saved?
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    Paul Saved on the road?

    No Sir, I am not. 'Always' would necessitate someone in the Bible saying this is a symbolic Act. No one said that. It began to be believed erroneously as a symbolic act either during the Reformation or the pre-reformation. Try finding documentation describing baptism as a symbolic act before...
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    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    Thank you for illuminating the fact that that account goes beyond vs. 31.
  19. e.r.m.

    Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

    The words, the grammar, the structure is all there, but it can't mean that so we got to say it means something else...:rolleyes:
  20. e.r.m.

    Paul Saved on the road?

    That's a different topic for another thread.
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