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  1. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Thank you and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, I just think it's a lot to draw from that one verse unless you're also going to other sources, which I'd be open to seeing.
  2. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Thank you. & sorry, I've never heard of 'baptized for Jesus'.
  3. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    What's to discover is why he said that because belief and baptism while alive is called for. Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
  4. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    If they can discover it's meaning, then all power to them. That's a tough one.
  5. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Inferring from an unclear scripture reference does not count as a written purpose. The best "bad" explanation I've found for this is that Paul was possibly referring to a non-Christian group nearby who were known to engage in this practice. There was a whole discussion about this sometime back...
  6. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Yes, I understand. It can fit into our modern day thinking as a ritual. I'm just saying there's no evidence that this was their thinking on it. Baptism was just baptism. If someone backed a first century Christian against a wall, with a dictionary and a stern demeanor, they might get him/her to...
  7. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Sorry if I was. I'm familiar with the mikveh. Mikveh & Baptism Purpose of the mikveh 1. To the ancient Jews, both Essene and non-Essene, the mikveh was a process of spiritual purification and cleansing, especially in relation to the various types of Turmah or ritual defilement...
  8. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    It says "...the Holy Spirit came 'on' all who heard the message." not indwelling. Doesn't say water baptism "for obedience". That's not a written purpose. It's not "written" that they're saved. No one besides God knows the state of his heart before he got baptized. Peter had said 'repent and be...
  9. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Is there a scripture for this?
  10. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    The difference there would be in Acts 2 & in Acts 10, this outpouring came directly from Jesus. In Acts 8:17 it doesn't actually say outpouring but what they did receive, they received via the laying on of hands. Peter said in Acts 11:15-16 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as...
  11. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    In the next life?
  12. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    No Acts 10:47-48 establishes that Baptism in Jesus's name is in water. We shouldn't be trying to make up our own.
  13. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Thank you.
  14. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Agreed. I agree for the most part with one major exception. I don't believe it's the outpouring of the Spirit or the Spirit coming "on" or "upon" that initiates the newness of life. I agree with you that one guys with Christ and is raised to a new life with baptism, but I believe the gift of...
  15. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    I feel vilified now if I even try to express a different understanding. Originally I was just requesting clarification. I wasn't challenging you or in your face or anything. Just talking. But here goes anyway. Being that it uses the subjunctive, baptiz"ing" them in the name... instead of "and...
  16. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    That is very different than what I actually said.
  17. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Ok, then where is the verse that refers to the purpose of baptism in Jesus's name (not John's baptism) as an outward sign to "others" of an inner intention and/or a show of outward intention? Just show a verse that says this and we can put it on the list of purposes for baptism in Jesus's name...
  18. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    This isn't baptism in Jesus's name. Jesus commanded baptism in his name after he was resurrected.
  19. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Thank you for the etymology. I never would have thought of Old Testament scriptures. You make a compelling case. But I will not include Isaiah 12:3 and Zechariah 13:1 for the same reason I did not include John 3:5, because I'm looking for verses that explicitly mention baptism. It makes it hard...
  20. e.r.m.

    What say the scriptures?

    Ok.
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